Last night on Q&A Julie Bishop showed her ability to use the force: “I find your lack of faith… disturbing”.
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Nice, but an even better bit of the show was when Steve Fielding admitted to believing in creationism over evolution. Richard Dawkins’ incredulous response (along the lines of) ‘…so you are a member of the Australian Parliament and you believe in creationism?’ was the best line of the night. When asked if he believed the earth was less than 10,000 years old, Fielding fudged the question - I think he doesn’t even understands the theory of creationism - but I guess you don’t need details when you live by belief.
In the wake of That Look I spent a very restless night.
Incidentally, Jenny E, I checked the transcript: Dawkins asked Fielding the question 5 times. It seems the question was simply too hard.
The Death Stare was fantastic.
I actually yelled, “go Mesmerelda!” at the screen and cacked myself laughing.
I have never had the “pleasure” of seeing Fielding speak for such an extended period. Made me appreciate the not Steve Fielding diaries seen in Crikey occassionally.
How on earth did this guy graduate from an engineering school?
How on earth does someone as thick as him tie his shoelaces in the morning?
Medusa reborn? A warning should have been broadcast before the show started!
As for Steve “let me wave my hands around like an important person” Fielding, the less said the better.
Dumbocracy was never better defined by any one.
Hilarious. Thanks Crikey, I hoped to get a chance to re-live one of the best spontaneous moments in Australian politics to date. Hasn’t anyone told her?
As for Steve Fielding - a major embarassment. And his immature bragging/dissing about his meeting with Kevin Rudd.
The young Rabbi Jacqueline Ninio was a far better advocate for her faith - very impressive.
What disturbs me is the intellectual ineptitude revealed last night demonstrating that politicians, people with actual power, simply cannot conduct discourse or debate in a sophisticated way. Richard Dawkins must have felt that he arrived at some high school forum such was the lack depth and breadth of the panel to address the issues in play. In fact I insult high school students my saying this.
Steve Fielding is woefully incompetent and remarkably childish.
One wonders how Richard Dawkins will articulate this experience with his colleagues… one can imagine the term ‘village idiot’ sliding into his description.
Dawkins’ embarrassment of Fielding was great, but I was sad to see him get angrier as the show went on.
He was spot-on with the Fielding incident because he simply stated the situation (“you’re a parliamentarian and believe in creationism?”) and the audience could work out the craziness inherent.
But, he played into the religious folks’ hands when he called God’s sacrifice a “horrible and depraved notion”. Personally, I agree with him, but it then allowed Bishop and Burke to claim he was being disrespectful.
As well as her death-stare, I loved Bishop’s talk of “I hope that there’s something beyond what we have on earth”. Won’t cockroaches be the last thing left on Earth anyway?
Bourke and Bishop were really woefully stupid last night and to me, seemed to be pandering to, if there is such a thing in this country, the Christian vote. I don’t think Dawkins played into their hands with that remark, they just couldn’t find a way to counter it, so went for the insult instead. As for the death stare, my goodness - she may not have an original thought in her head, but she can do a good stare!
As for Fielding - just remember he’s up for election this year and it will be interesting to see if any of the major parties do a deal with Family First this time - maybe they prefer having the village idiot holding the balance of power rather than the Greens?
The Death Stare is quite off putting but Julie’s got a great body for her age!
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Absolutely brilliant. Steve Fielding made a complete horse’s arse of himself en plein air and Julie Bishop’s waffling on about the spirit continuing on after death, and Richard Dawkins making the point that the brain decayed along with the body; making it an unlikely hypothesis.
Little Julie Bishop was so busy being righteous about religion that she failed to get the point. The stare, the stare, the stare. Is it an involuntary reaction to the fact that there’s nothing much happening in the head.
I hope Steve Fielding has got replay so he can see the extraordinary fool he is. As Richard Dawkins said you are an Australian politician and you believe in creationism as opposed to evolution? Or words to that effect. Cringe, cringe, cringe. God we are hicks.
Although I consider Fielding a fruit loop and complete waste of space, I don’t see the connection between being an Australian politician and believing in creationism as being relevant at all to the debate. Dawkins overplays his hand at times and he did it a couple of times on Q&A.
Normally I can’t stand Bishop and I loved the ‘death’ stare but I think she at least seemed to have put some thought into her position on religion, and was articulate. Dawkins agreed with some of the things she said about the Bible being a literary text that is central to the history of Western culture and should be taught in schools on that basis. (Of course Bishop’s comments about asylum seekers were predictably appalling.)
Apart from the antics of Fielding, I was much more embarrassed by the Agriculture Minister Tony Burke telling off Dawkins for daring to be disrespectful by talking about the crucifixion in negative terms. I’d thought the cultural cringe was dead — I writhed in postcolonial embarrassment while watching Burke’s holier-than-thou put down.
What was so ironic was that Burke was demonstrating one of Dawkins’s main points in the God Delusion - that the absurdities of religious belief are too often given an exaggerated respect that they don’t deserve. Burke demonstrated the childish petulance that erupts in some religious people when their beliefs don’t get that undeserved respect; and instead of attacking Dawkins’s beliefs he made a personal attack, failing to give Dawkins a basic level of human respect.
Burke’s response also suggested the exaggerated respect his party gives the lunacies of the religious right, purely for political purposes. That’s what his faux piety was all about — appeasing fundamentalist Christians, just as his party does in its pathetic failure to allow gays and lesbians to marry.
Q and A could be a great show if it ditched the pollies and airheads and just had people who really knew their stuff, ie academics, intellectuals and activists — the best program was the one with Christopher Hitchens. He was funny, provocative and engaging. As it is I rarely watch the show as it’s so dumbed down, including the vacuous questions some audience members ask.
Can’t get the youtube. Watching on ABC website. How far in is it?
I loved Dawkins asking Steve Fielding re Fielding’s belief that Creationism is the way the world was created by god. “You are an Australian parliamentarian, yet you believe this?” or words to that effect.
As for poor stunted Julie Bishop-she of the vacuous stare. She was so busy being all virtuous about religion and how her spirit (via her brain) was going to live beyond her body: how greedy she is to want it all. Dawkins made a marvellous comeback, “But the brain decays just the way the rest of body does”.
I’m sure this point escaped this virtuous little twat.
I would have loved it if Richard Dawkins had pressed the point and asked, “But surely the decision as to whether a person has died is made at the moment of the brain dying?”
How dismal are the hicks who run this hill-billy country.
BTW: Tony Bourke’s magnificently 1930s input had me hiding under the couch. I’m sick to death at having to cringe whenever one of these hicks opens their mouth.
Proof positive that there is no such thing as creationism.
1. Steve Fielding
2. Julie Bishop
Not designed, evolved, by chance.
Improbable in their case, but evolved none the less.
Steve Fielding and Julie Bishop only evolved up to the fifteenth century. WTF they are doing in the twenty-first century is a complete mystery.
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