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		<title>By: meski</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/01/25/conroy-frantically-spins-clinton-speech/#comment-56671</link>
		<dc:creator>meski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet again, the pro-censorship mob drag out the &quot;If you&#039;re against censorship you&#039;re for child abuse&quot;  Ad Hominems, Straw man, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet again, the pro-censorship mob drag out the &#8220;If you&#8217;re against censorship you&#8217;re for child abuse&#8221;  Ad Hominems, Straw man, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: melanie farris</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/01/25/conroy-frantically-spins-clinton-speech/#comment-56622</link>
		<dc:creator>melanie farris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melanie Farris writes: Re. &quot;Conroy frantically spins Clinton speech&quot; (Monday, item 14). 

Mr Jacob’s piece comes across as a little unbalanced. The Secretary of State’s speech to The Newseum is clearly a statement against political censorship and governments or regimes that suppress their people’s right to free access to information. It is against oppression. It is for political freedoms. 

When making the speech, was Clinton thinking of the Australian Government’s ban on RC content and sites containing child abuse material? It&#039;s hard to say.

Clearly though, she and the US government are concerned with protecting the rights of the world’s citizens -- in so far as the vision of the US founding fathers prescribes. “Now, ultimately, this issue isn’t just about information freedom; it is about what kind of world we want and what kind of world we will inhabit,” she said.

Fortunately, the founding fathers did not have to deal with an internet that allowed for child sexual abuse to be broadcast, nor did they have to determine how to maintain freedom of expression but prevent child grooming in an unregulated marketplace. How can Facebook be “urged to switch off hate sites” on the one hand, but the Australian Government criticised for implementing internet controls on the other?

Larry Flint fought in the US Supreme Court and won his countrymen’s right to publish and buy adult magazines. Whether we like adult magazines or not, that process promoted and upheld the vision of the US Constitution. Let those who publish and profit from child abuse have their day in court to fight their battle. Let us see if they win. If they do, so be it. 

In the meantime, may the nay-sayers remember exactly what (and whose) freedoms and protections we should be fighting for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melanie Farris writes: Re. &#8220;Conroy frantically spins Clinton speech&#8221; (Monday, item 14). </p>
<p>Mr Jacob’s piece comes across as a little unbalanced. The Secretary of State’s speech to The Newseum is clearly a statement against political censorship and governments or regimes that suppress their people’s right to free access to information. It is against oppression. It is for political freedoms. </p>
<p>When making the speech, was Clinton thinking of the Australian Government’s ban on RC content and sites containing child abuse material? It&#8217;s hard to say.</p>
<p>Clearly though, she and the US government are concerned with protecting the rights of the world’s citizens&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;in so far as the vision of the US founding fathers prescribes. “Now, ultimately, this issue isn’t just about information freedom; it is about what kind of world we want and what kind of world we will inhabit,” she said.</p>
<p>Fortunately, the founding fathers did not have to deal with an internet that allowed for child sexual abuse to be broadcast, nor did they have to determine how to maintain freedom of expression but prevent child grooming in an unregulated marketplace. How can Facebook be “urged to switch off hate sites” on the one hand, but the Australian Government criticised for implementing internet controls on the other?</p>
<p>Larry Flint fought in the US Supreme Court and won his countrymen’s right to publish and buy adult magazines. Whether we like adult magazines or not, that process promoted and upheld the vision of the US Constitution. Let those who publish and profit from child abuse have their day in court to fight their battle. Let us see if they win. If they do, so be it. </p>
<p>In the meantime, may the nay-sayers remember exactly what (and whose) freedoms and protections we should be fighting for.</p>
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		<title>By: meski</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/01/25/conroy-frantically-spins-clinton-speech/#comment-55435</link>
		<dc:creator>meski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://whirlpool.net.au/survey/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Whirlpool Internet Survey&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://whirlpool.net.au/survey/" rel="nofollow">Whirlpool Internet Survey</a></p>
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		<title>By: meski</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/01/25/conroy-frantically-spins-clinton-speech/#comment-55433</link>
		<dc:creator>meski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, a survey, on NBN and internet censorship.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://whirlpool.net.au/survey/&quot; title=&quot;Whirlpool internet survey&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, a survey, on NBN and internet censorship.  </p>
<p><a href="http://whirlpool.net.au/survey/" title="Whirlpool internet survey" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bane</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/01/25/conroy-frantically-spins-clinton-speech/#comment-55430</link>
		<dc:creator>Bane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, the Greens will oppose this dangerous legislation - thats a given. I only hope (fervently) that the Libs will also oppose it, then it will be defeated. Conroy never took a compulsory, no opt-out filter policy to the election. It was sneakily &quot;added&quot; after the election and too late for ordinary &quot;little&quot; people to do anything about it. It is just such a hateful way to do things, but so typical of the smarmy and self-righteous. His barrelling ahead with no regard or care for the dangers is again typical of the above.
I voted Labour solely because of the Libs obnoxious &quot;Work Choices&quot; legislation (again something that was trotted out post-election). I will vote Liberal next time solely because of Labour&#039;s obnoxious &quot;Censorship&quot; legislation. Make no mistake, this type of deceitful behaviour is always an election maker and breaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, the Greens will oppose this dangerous legislation - thats a given. I only hope (fervently) that the Libs will also oppose it, then it will be defeated. Conroy never took a compulsory, no opt-out filter policy to the election. It was sneakily &#8220;added&#8221; after the election and too late for ordinary &#8220;little&#8221; people to do anything about it. It is just such a hateful way to do things, but so typical of the smarmy and self-righteous. His barrelling ahead with no regard or care for the dangers is again typical of the above.<br />
I voted Labour solely because of the Libs obnoxious &#8220;Work Choices&#8221; legislation (again something that was trotted out post-election). I will vote Liberal next time solely because of Labour&#8217;s obnoxious &#8220;Censorship&#8221; legislation. Make no mistake, this type of deceitful behaviour is always an election maker and breaker.</p>
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		<title>By: meski</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/01/25/conroy-frantically-spins-clinton-speech/#comment-55310</link>
		<dc:creator>meski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an ideal world, Fielding and Conroy would be on the same ballot paper, and I&#039;d live in that electorate.  Then I could show them what I think of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an ideal world, Fielding and Conroy would be on the same ballot paper, and I&#8217;d live in that electorate.  Then I could show them what I think of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Midgley</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/01/25/conroy-frantically-spins-clinton-speech/#comment-55229</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Midgley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is thank G-D for Hillary Clinton&#039;s stand on this .. I hope she sticks to it .. there can be no room for compromise when it comes to freedom .. if we lose this one, one day we may lose much more than we imagined we could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is thank G-D for Hillary Clinton&#8217;s stand on this .. I hope she sticks to it .. there can be no room for compromise when it comes to freedom .. if we lose this one, one day we may lose much more than we imagined we could.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/01/25/conroy-frantically-spins-clinton-speech/#comment-55155</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason Fielding could be  a puesdo fake libertarian, he hasnt the intelligence to know it is happening to him. Something akin to being punch drunk getting smashed but refusing to lie down.
Conroy is a bloody hypocrite, his day of come uppance will arrive. An hour in the same room as Hillary Clinton trying to sell his absurd internet censorship would sort the pr-k out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason Fielding could be  a puesdo fake libertarian, he hasnt the intelligence to know it is happening to him. Something akin to being punch drunk getting smashed but refusing to lie down.<br />
Conroy is a bloody hypocrite, his day of come uppance will arrive. An hour in the same room as Hillary Clinton trying to sell his absurd internet censorship would sort the pr-k out.</p>
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		<title>By: michael crook</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/01/25/conroy-frantically-spins-clinton-speech/#comment-55148</link>
		<dc:creator>michael crook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fielding is a libertarian compared to the nasty right wing religious powerbrokers that Conroy and about 30 of his parliamentary colleagues owe their jobs to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fielding is a libertarian compared to the nasty right wing religious powerbrokers that Conroy and about 30 of his parliamentary colleagues owe their jobs to.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/01/25/conroy-frantically-spins-clinton-speech/#comment-55142</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Liberal Party know that they only have to join the Greens in voting against this legislation in the Senate and get rid of Tony Abbott as leader for them to move to 2nd last on my ballot papers ahead of Labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Liberal Party know that they only have to join the Greens in voting against this legislation in the Senate and get rid of Tony Abbott as leader for them to move to 2nd last on my ballot papers ahead of Labor.</p>
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