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		<title>By: Greg Angelo</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50534</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Angelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce
As a test of hypothesis read my coments above. The most pertinent comment is reproduced below.

&quot;Denial of civil rights, confiscation of property, and reprisal killings are order of the day. All this is of course justified because the perpetrators are God’s chosen people, living in a land given to their antecedents, as represented Abraham, by God. One Zionist life is worth 100 Palestinians, and murdering civilians as a form of reprisal has become an art form.&quot;

I wrote this before I watched a video of the Israeli settler running his car backwards and forwards over what I presume was a Palestinian.

I would challenge any supporter of the Zionists in Israel and the occupied territories to justify this appalling behaviour, and the lack of action by the armed forces of the so-called democratic state of Israel. What would have been the reaction of the IDF if it was a Palestinian running over a settler? I know the answer- he would have been shot dead immediately.

It is reflection of the racist attitude of the majority of both the Australian and Israeli communities that this appalling treatment of civilians is not only tolerated but completely ignored. 

The attitude of the so-called &quot;settlers&quot; towards Palestinians is very reminiscent of the attitude of the Nazis to the people&#039;s that they considered inferior. This included communists, gypsies, Slavs Russians and Jews. It is quite obvious that racist discrimination, once presumed to be the preserve of the Nazis has spread to their the descendants of their victims,  like some victims of childhood sexual abuse who apply that form of abuse to others.

My comments in no way reflect any support for the appalling attitude of Hamas or Iran towards Israel, but but with such continuing abuse of Palestinians it is difficult to support Israel under the circumstances of the continuing abuse of Palestinians at the personal level by settlers who are  manifesting the  appalling abuses of civil rights practiced by the SA and the SS  in Germany.

For anybody not familiar with this situation,  &quot;The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich&quot; by William Shirer provides a good introduction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce<br />
As a test of hypothesis read my coments above. The most pertinent comment is reproduced below.</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Denial of civil rights, confiscation of property, and reprisal killings are order of the day. All this is of course justified because the perpetrators are God’s chosen people, living in a land given to their antecedents, as represented Abraham, by God. One Zionist life is worth 100 Palestinians, and murdering civilians as a form of reprisal has become an art form.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wrote this before I watched a video of the Israeli settler running his car backwards and forwards over what I presume was a Palestinian.</p>
<p>I would challenge any supporter of the Zionists in Israel and the occupied territories to justify this appalling behaviour, and the lack of action by the armed forces of the so-called democratic state of Israel. What would have been the reaction of the IDF if it was a Palestinian running over a settler? I know the answer- he would have been shot dead immediately.</p>
<p>It is reflection of the racist attitude of the majority of both the Australian and Israeli communities that this appalling treatment of civilians is not only tolerated but completely ignored. </p>
<p>The attitude of the so-called &#8220;settlers&#8221; towards Palestinians is very reminiscent of the attitude of the Nazis to the people&#8217;s that they considered inferior. This included communists, gypsies, Slavs Russians and Jews. It is quite obvious that racist discrimination, once presumed to be the preserve of the Nazis has spread to their the descendants of their victims,  like some victims of childhood sexual abuse who apply that form of abuse to others.</p>
<p>My comments in no way reflect any support for the appalling attitude of Hamas or Iran towards Israel, but but with such continuing abuse of Palestinians it is difficult to support Israel under the circumstances of the continuing abuse of Palestinians at the personal level by settlers who are  manifesting the  appalling abuses of civil rights practiced by the SA and the SS  in Germany.</p>
<p>For anybody not familiar with this situation,  &#8220;The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich&#8221; by William Shirer provides a good introduction.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50530</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Herbert,

Re your video.

There are Israeli soldiers with guns standing arounbd watching what was happening. There was plenty of time for them to shoot the driver of the car running obver the Palestinian. Why didn&#039;t they?

Absolutely disgusting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Herbert,</p>
<p>Re your video.</p>
<p>There are Israeli soldiers with guns standing arounbd watching what was happening. There was plenty of time for them to shoot the driver of the car running obver the Palestinian. Why didn&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>Absolutely disgusting!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Herbert</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50502</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Isaacson:

Paste this You Tube URL into you computer &amp; send it onto Sam for his comment. 

It shows an Israeli settler running his car back &amp; forward over a Palestinian, who had already be shot &amp; beaten by other settllers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx64n24GmOU


I suppose it&#039;s just some proud Zionists supporting the cause...over to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Isaacson:</p>
<p>Paste this You Tube URL into you computer &amp; send it onto Sam for his comment. </p>
<p>It shows an Israeli settler running his car back &amp; forward over a Palestinian, who had already be shot &amp; beaten by other settllers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx64n24GmOU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx64n24GmOU</a></p>
<p>I suppose it&#8217;s just some proud Zionists supporting the cause&#8230;over to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Herbert</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50500</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to Crikey editor: Please oh please, don&#039;t have George Brandis Or Michael Danby do the response. 

It&#039;ll just be theie same old accusations of anti-semitism, anti-Israel, &quot;you&#039;re all racists&quot; etc etc diatribe that&#039;s the cornerstone of their attempts to justify Zionist atrocities in the Occupied territories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to Crikey editor: Please oh please, don&#8217;t have George Brandis Or Michael Danby do the response. </p>
<p>It&#8217;ll just be theie same old accusations of anti-semitism, anti-Israel, &#8220;you&#8217;re all racists&#8221; etc etc diatribe that&#8217;s the cornerstone of their attempts to justify Zionist atrocities in the Occupied territories.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Herbert</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50499</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read the weekend broadloids, it appears that the integrity of Australian metro daily  journalism is dead &amp; buried.

This visit by the accused Israeli war criminals signals the end of any credibility whatsoever for virtually all of Australia&#039;s quality media, save for Crikey.

I can&#039;t think of a single case in Australian history that even approaches this level of  bi-partisan political support for such an international pariah.

With this Rudd Government, we&#039;ve now realised that the end of party political values as we knew them for the past 50 years has arrived....just as Howard trashed the heart of the Liberal Party ideology on the altar of political expediency. 

What a national disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read the weekend broadloids, it appears that the integrity of Australian metro daily  journalism is dead &amp; buried.</p>
<p>This visit by the accused Israeli war criminals signals the end of any credibility whatsoever for virtually all of Australia&#8217;s quality media, save for Crikey.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of a single case in Australian history that even approaches this level of  bi-partisan political support for such an international pariah.</p>
<p>With this Rudd Government, we&#8217;ve now realised that the end of party political values as we knew them for the past 50 years has arrived&#8230;.just as Howard trashed the heart of the Liberal Party ideology on the altar of political expediency. </p>
<p>What a national disgrace.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Herbert</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50497</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Isaacson:  I&#039;m all for it: let&#039;s hear what Sam Lipski says to justify both of Australia&#039;s key Federal politcial parties celebrating  a visit by accused Israeli war criminals. 

Also, you should do some research before making silly claims about AL&#039;s alleged anti -Israel stance.  FYI, like the rest of us, we&#039;re not against Israel per se, rather the far right wing fascists who have taken over its political system &amp; its armed forces. Apartheid, killing the women &amp; children of Gaza &amp; the West Bank &amp; treating the Palestinians like they&#039;re farm animals just doesn&#039;t wash with the growing chorus of people like us around the globe

C&#039;mon Crikey...let&#039;s hear Sam Lipski, who clearly knows something that the rest of the rapidly growing number of decent Australians appalled at Rudd / Abott&#039;s grovelling, don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Isaacson:  I&#8217;m all for it: let&#8217;s hear what Sam Lipski says to justify both of Australia&#8217;s key Federal politcial parties celebrating  a visit by accused Israeli war criminals. </p>
<p>Also, you should do some research before making silly claims about AL&#8217;s alleged anti -Israel stance.  FYI, like the rest of us, we&#8217;re not against Israel per se, rather the far right wing fascists who have taken over its political system &amp; its armed forces. Apartheid, killing the women &amp; children of Gaza &amp; the West Bank &amp; treating the Palestinians like they&#8217;re farm animals just doesn&#8217;t wash with the growing chorus of people like us around the globe</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon Crikey&#8230;let&#8217;s hear Sam Lipski, who clearly knows something that the rest of the rapidly growing number of decent Australians appalled at Rudd / Abott&#8217;s grovelling, don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Isaacson</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50481</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Isaacson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised and dismayed that you gave so much space to the anti State of Israel
journalist Antony Lowenstein and his supporters without a response from someone with an opposing view - say Sam Lipski. 
Peter Isaacson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised and dismayed that you gave so much space to the anti State of Israel<br />
journalist Antony Lowenstein and his supporters without a response from someone with an opposing view - say Sam Lipski.<br />
Peter Isaacson</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Herbert</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50475</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why am I being permanently moderated off any comments about Israel?

I made a comment on this story yesterday that contained no adhominem attacks, It was reasonable comment.

Explain why please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why am I being permanently moderated off any comments about Israel?</p>
<p>I made a comment on this story yesterday that contained no adhominem attacks, It was reasonable comment.</p>
<p>Explain why please</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Angelo</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50451</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Angelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is quite obvious that both sides of Australian politics live in fear of the Zionist lobby. The Zionist terrorism that led to the creation of Israel has been conveniently forgotten. Palestinians are the &quot;Untermenschen&quot; (German for under man, sub-man, sub-human- a term from Nazi racial ideology used to describe &quot;inferior people&quot;) of the Middle East. Palestinian casualties are treated with the same disdain that the Nazis displayed during their rampage through Europe between 1939 1945.

The Zionists have learnt well from their former masters. Denial of civil rights, confiscation of property, and reprisal killings are order of the day. All this is of course justified because the perpetrators are God&#039;s chosen people, living in a land given to their antecedents, as represented Abraham, by God. One  Zionist life is worth 100 Palestinians, and murdering civilians as a form of reprisal has become an art form.

As a curious reversal of history, Palestinians have adopted the tactics of the Jewish underground in Warsaw, fighting a militarily superior force from under cover.  And  as with the Nazis, reprisal killings are the order of the day, as is the deliberate confiscation of property and forced relocation. The only thing missing is the death camps. 

One criticism one cannot levy at the Zionists is anti-Semitism, a criticism that is conveniently chosen by Zionists against any criticism of their activities. Both the Palestinians and the Zionists our both Semites, separated of course by fundamentalist  religion on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is quite obvious that both sides of Australian politics live in fear of the Zionist lobby. The Zionist terrorism that led to the creation of Israel has been conveniently forgotten. Palestinians are the &#8220;Untermenschen&#8221; (German for under man, sub-man, sub-human- a term from Nazi racial ideology used to describe &#8220;inferior people&#8221;) of the Middle East. Palestinian casualties are treated with the same disdain that the Nazis displayed during their rampage through Europe between 1939 1945.</p>
<p>The Zionists have learnt well from their former masters. Denial of civil rights, confiscation of property, and reprisal killings are order of the day. All this is of course justified because the perpetrators are God&#8217;s chosen people, living in a land given to their antecedents, as represented Abraham, by God. One  Zionist life is worth 100 Palestinians, and murdering civilians as a form of reprisal has become an art form.</p>
<p>As a curious reversal of history, Palestinians have adopted the tactics of the Jewish underground in Warsaw, fighting a militarily superior force from under cover.  And  as with the Nazis, reprisal killings are the order of the day, as is the deliberate confiscation of property and forced relocation. The only thing missing is the death camps. </p>
<p>One criticism one cannot levy at the Zionists is anti-Semitism, a criticism that is conveniently chosen by Zionists against any criticism of their activities. Both the Palestinians and the Zionists our both Semites, separated of course by fundamentalist  religion on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50433</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An important story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An important story.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wong</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50397</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The government had a zero tolerance approach when it came to violence against women,&quot; Kevin Rudd said. Yet he condoned violence against Palestinian women in Gaza and even protected the perpetrators from scrutiny by directing Australia to vote against the Goldstone Report at the UN. An action for which he was thanked by Israel. I am not ashamed to be Australian but I am ashamed to have such a person as our prime minister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>The government had a zero tolerance approach when it came to violence against women,&#8221; Kevin Rudd said. Yet he condoned violence against Palestinian women in Gaza and even protected the perpetrators from scrutiny by directing Australia to vote against the Goldstone Report at the UN. An action for which he was thanked by Israel. I am not ashamed to be Australian but I am ashamed to have such a person as our prime minister.</p>
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		<title>By: nicolino</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50390</link>
		<dc:creator>nicolino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine that Kevin Rudd will next be committing our young to fight in Iran no questions asked. After all Israel and the U.S. dictate our foreign policy don&#039;t they?
We have politicians of a sickly yellowish hue in Canberra who collectively have never had an original thought or observation outside of the party machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine that Kevin Rudd will next be committing our young to fight in Iran no questions asked. After all Israel and the U.S. dictate our foreign policy don&#8217;t they?<br />
We have politicians of a sickly yellowish hue in Canberra who collectively have never had an original thought or observation outside of the party machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent Matthews</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50373</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again to Antony Lowenstein for exposing the seedy sickening obsequiousness of Australian politicians towards Israel.  No other country in the world, apart from the US, offers Israeli political leaders such comfort and praise.  The media (Crikey excepted of course) either ignores or seems too timid to tackle what is a great story behind the influence the pro-Israel lobby wields in this country.   The vital question is: In what way does this obsessive pro-Israel policy benefit Australia&#039;s international relations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again to Antony Lowenstein for exposing the seedy sickening obsequiousness of Australian politicians towards Israel.  No other country in the world, apart from the US, offers Israeli political leaders such comfort and praise.  The media (Crikey excepted of course) either ignores or seems too timid to tackle what is a great story behind the influence the pro-Israel lobby wields in this country.   The vital question is: In what way does this obsessive pro-Israel policy benefit Australia&#8217;s international relations?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Birchall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50360</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Birchall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is simply disgusting and incomprehensible that Australian political leaders on both sides are so utterly devoid of concern for the human rights of Palestinians. The hypocrisy is just breathtaking; and this from supposedly religious people committed to Jesus Christ&#039;s teachings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is simply disgusting and incomprehensible that Australian political leaders on both sides are so utterly devoid of concern for the human rights of Palestinians. The hypocrisy is just breathtaking; and this from supposedly religious people committed to Jesus Christ&#8217;s teachings!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/04/rudd-helps-the-middle-east-story-remain-one-sided/#comment-50300</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The daily humiliations and abuse of Palestinians by &quot;settlers&quot; continues...Last night BBC World showed a Palestinian olive grove chainsawed by &quot;settlers&quot;. 

To have the ALP - and Abbott- sucking up to this criminal regime is sickening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The daily humiliations and abuse of Palestinians by &#8220;settlers&#8221; continues&#8230;Last night BBC World showed a Palestinian olive grove chainsawed by &#8220;settlers&#8221;. </p>
<p>To have the ALP - and Abbott- sucking up to this criminal regime is sickening.</p>
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