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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48301</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the live stream of political events like this continuing to be useful or entertaining for a niche audience of political journalists and tragics. I wouldn&#039;t expect it to be a mass market thing. The mass market, if it&#039;s interested in politics at all, is still just going to want the coherent summary.

What I &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; see, though, is that niche audience of tragics growing as the political process -- or at least the insiders&#039; commentary on the political process -- becomes more accessible.

I imagine it&#039;d be similar to the day trader phenomenon on the stock market. Previously, unless you had the time to physically front up at the bourses and get the latest gossip, you&#039;d have to rely on your stockbroker. Now, anyone can fire up a web browser, a stock trading service and live chat.

In both cases, the dynamic is going to change significantly. Somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the live stream of political events like this continuing to be useful or entertaining for a niche audience of political journalists and tragics. I wouldn&#8217;t expect it to be a mass market thing. The mass market, if it&#8217;s interested in politics at all, is still just going to want the coherent summary.</p>
<p>What I <em>can</em> see, though, is that niche audience of tragics growing as the political process&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;or at least the insiders&#8217; commentary on the political process&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;becomes more accessible.</p>
<p>I imagine it&#8217;d be similar to the day trader phenomenon on the stock market. Previously, unless you had the time to physically front up at the bourses and get the latest gossip, you&#8217;d have to rely on your stockbroker. Now, anyone can fire up a web browser, a stock trading service and live chat.</p>
<p>In both cases, the dynamic is going to change significantly. Somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: raena</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48241</link>
		<dc:creator>raena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;no encapsulated agenda.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really. No agenda in tweets direct from the party room?

Are you new in town?

&lt;blockquote&gt;If this kind of Twitter event goes even remotely mainstream, there won’t be a two way conversation and the dross will far outway the good, making the whole thing unworkable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Watch any other event like the death of Michael Jackson for your proof of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>no encapsulated agenda.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really. No agenda in tweets direct from the party room?</p>
<p>Are you new in town?</p>
<blockquote><p>If this kind of Twitter event goes even remotely mainstream, there won’t be a two way conversation and the dross will far outway the good, making the whole thing unworkable.</p></blockquote>
<p>Watch any other event like the death of Michael Jackson for your proof of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Pastry</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48233</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Pastry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with cutting out the middlemen, but how about going further and getting the tweets directly from the party room.   No double handling by a journalist, even faster and no encapsulated agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with cutting out the middlemen, but how about going further and getting the tweets directly from the party room.   No double handling by a journalist, even faster and no encapsulated agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Gibbot</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48232</link>
		<dc:creator>Gibbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bogdanovist - you may be right, but I don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s scarily disproportionate gonads&#039;. Last night I laughed. I cried. Some wee came out. The atmosphere on twitter was absolutely electric and I, a humble nobody, felt part of a major media and political phenomenon in a way I have never experienced before. 
Surely there can be no greater expression of democracy than to engage directly with politicians and the press in real time - and use that absolute privilege to retweet the undeniable reality that Kevin Andrews is a dead-set cock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bogdanovist - you may be right, but I don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s scarily disproportionate gonads&#8217;. Last night I laughed. I cried. Some wee came out. The atmosphere on twitter was absolutely electric and I, a humble nobody, felt part of a major media and political phenomenon in a way I have never experienced before.<br />
Surely there can be no greater expression of democracy than to engage directly with politicians and the press in real time - and use that absolute privilege to retweet the undeniable reality that Kevin Andrews is a dead-set cock.</p>
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		<title>By: Grog</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48222</link>
		<dc:creator>Grog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[If this kind of Twitter event goes even remotely mainstream, there won’t be a two way conversation and the dross will far outway the good, making the whole thing unworkable.]

Agreed. And yes it is a niche market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If this kind of Twitter event goes even remotely mainstream, there won’t be a two way conversation and the dross will far outway the good, making the whole thing unworkable.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed. And yes it is a niche market.</p>
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		<title>By: Bogdanovist</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48206</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogdanovist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was as glued to Twitter as anyone yesterday, there is no way that traditional media could have held that kind of attention and given the speed of updates. But lets not go too far overboard. I&#039;d estimate that combining the #spill #iamtheleader #turnbull and similar tags, there was probably dozens of people involved in making tweets, and maybe a few hundred reading. You can add to that a few journos who don&#039;t need to add tags to get attention.

Certainly for a few hundred of the daggiest voyeurs of political porn in the country (which I&#039;d proudly name myself one of), the Twitter feed was the best thing since the Internet. But lets not get to excited that some journos responded to someones tweet. Its all very well to have a two way conversation, but the fact that this was possible demonstrates that the audience, however excited they were, was pretty small. You couldn&#039;t have a two way conversation with any decently sized audience.

For all the excitement, what did we gain by the second to second flow of information? If you even just waited till &lt;i&gt;Lateline&lt;/i&gt; came on, you got all the same information as Twitter drip fed over many hours, but in a coherent form, and you even got to &lt;i&gt;see&lt;/i&gt; Annabell.

So yes, Twitter is here to stay and will be a valuable addition to the array of media sources, but I suspect its a very small number of us political nerds who notice or care. The rest of the country will probably hear about the Twittersplosion that occurred in a cringe-worthy SMH or Oz article, but that&#039;s about it. If this kind of Twitter event goes even remotely mainstream, there won&#039;t be a two way conversation and the dross will far outway the good, making the whole thing unworkable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was as glued to Twitter as anyone yesterday, there is no way that traditional media could have held that kind of attention and given the speed of updates. But lets not go too far overboard. I&#8217;d estimate that combining the #spill #iamtheleader #turnbull and similar tags, there was probably dozens of people involved in making tweets, and maybe a few hundred reading. You can add to that a few journos who don&#8217;t need to add tags to get attention.</p>
<p>Certainly for a few hundred of the daggiest voyeurs of political porn in the country (which I&#8217;d proudly name myself one of), the Twitter feed was the best thing since the Internet. But lets not get to excited that some journos responded to someones tweet. Its all very well to have a two way conversation, but the fact that this was possible demonstrates that the audience, however excited they were, was pretty small. You couldn&#8217;t have a two way conversation with any decently sized audience.</p>
<p>For all the excitement, what did we gain by the second to second flow of information? If you even just waited till <i>Lateline</i> came on, you got all the same information as Twitter drip fed over many hours, but in a coherent form, and you even got to <i>see</i> Annabell.</p>
<p>So yes, Twitter is here to stay and will be a valuable addition to the array of media sources, but I suspect its a very small number of us political nerds who notice or care. The rest of the country will probably hear about the Twittersplosion that occurred in a cringe-worthy SMH or Oz article, but that&#8217;s about it. If this kind of Twitter event goes even remotely mainstream, there won&#8217;t be a two way conversation and the dross will far outway the good, making the whole thing unworkable.</p>
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		<title>By: Grog</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48202</link>
		<dc:creator>Grog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[No, I don’t. I quoted that person’s thought as an indicator of the sort of value he (and others) felt they were getting from following those journos’ Twitter feeds.]

Oh hell you don&#039;t want to listen to what that guy had to say (or tweet)!!

To be honest I made it more of a comment of where I see potential $ value in the media. The tweets the press gallery were providing were unique and required them actually being there. For me, it felt like I was getting a service for free, as opposed to 95% of what is in online MSM sites, which is repetitive, filtered and regurgitated press releases, and worth bugger all. 

I could see Murdoch looking at, once the org goes behind the paywall, including in the subscription access to the plethora of tweet accounts of the news.ltd journos (I&#039;d say all they would need is to make their accounts restricted, and opened to you to follow only once subscription has occured - or something, I am sure some boffins could work it out). 

The good thing about such a service is it would put an onus on the journos to tweet. The negative though would be to lose the &quot;informal&quot; nature of their tweets at the moment - eg what they tweet during QANDA and QT, or even just about what they&#039;re doing that night for dinner (and the sense that you can have nice friendly banter with them). It wold not work if suddnely there was an onus on them to respond to everyone or none... some balance surely though could be found. 

So I am not really wanting them to go behind a paywall, but just that I could see the possibility of it happening, and were it to  I feel you would actually be getting something for the money that you couldn&#039;t get elsewhere (eg many free blogs give much better analysis of events than do the MSM).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No, I don’t. I quoted that person’s thought as an indicator of the sort of value he (and others) felt they were getting from following those journos’ Twitter feeds.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh hell you don&#8217;t want to listen to what that guy had to say (or tweet)!!</p>
<p>To be honest I made it more of a comment of where I see potential $ value in the media. The tweets the press gallery were providing were unique and required them actually being there. For me, it felt like I was getting a service for free, as opposed to 95% of what is in online MSM sites, which is repetitive, filtered and regurgitated press releases, and worth bugger all. </p>
<p>I could see Murdoch looking at, once the org goes behind the paywall, including in the subscription access to the plethora of tweet accounts of the news.ltd journos (I&#8217;d say all they would need is to make their accounts restricted, and opened to you to follow only once subscription has occured - or something, I am sure some boffins could work it out). </p>
<p>The good thing about such a service is it would put an onus on the journos to tweet. The negative though would be to lose the &#8220;informal&#8221; nature of their tweets at the moment - eg what they tweet during QANDA and QT, or even just about what they&#8217;re doing that night for dinner (and the sense that you can have nice friendly banter with them). It wold not work if suddnely there was an onus on them to respond to everyone or none&#8230; some balance surely though could be found. </p>
<p>So I am not really wanting them to go behind a paywall, but just that I could see the possibility of it happening, and were it to  I feel you would actually be getting something for the money that you couldn&#8217;t get elsewhere (eg many free blogs give much better analysis of events than do the MSM).</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48179</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t stay up. Simply because I thought it was too much of a chronicle of a death foretold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t stay up. Simply because I thought it was too much of a chronicle of a death foretold.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Bridges</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48109</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Bridges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I don&#039;t. I quoted that person&#039;s thought as an indicator of the sort of value he (and others) felt they were getting from following those journos&#039; Twitter feeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t. I quoted that person&#8217;s thought as an indicator of the sort of value he (and others) felt they were getting from following those journos&#8217; Twitter feeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48108</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, given the quality of content and the value of bidirectional dialogue, do you think it&#039;s a good idea to pay a subscription fee to follow someone on Twitter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, given the quality of content and the value of bidirectional dialogue, do you think it&#8217;s a good idea to pay a subscription fee to follow someone on Twitter?</p>
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		<title>By: raena</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48106</link>
		<dc:creator>raena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great to hear from journos. The readers? Not always.

It is far too easy for supposedly well-informed people to ignore the actual news and analysis if they &quot;already know everything&quot; from 500 people&#039;s ill-considered 140-character brainfarts.

Strong voices are needed to help make sense of the rabble. 90% of everything is crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great to hear from journos. The readers? Not always.</p>
<p>It is far too easy for supposedly well-informed people to ignore the actual news and analysis if they &#8220;already know everything&#8221; from 500 people&#8217;s ill-considered 140-character brainfarts.</p>
<p>Strong voices are needed to help make sense of the rabble. 90% of everything is crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Harris-Roxas</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48102</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Harris-Roxas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, though it&#039;s also worth noting that unconfirmed reports that Wilson Tuckey had called a spill during *yesterday&#039;s* meeting spread like wildfire on Twitter at around 5:00pm.  We&#039;ll have to make sure we harness the power of the echo chamber for good...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, though it&#8217;s also worth noting that unconfirmed reports that Wilson Tuckey had called a spill during *yesterday&#8217;s* meeting spread like wildfire on Twitter at around 5:00pm.  We&#8217;ll have to make sure we harness the power of the echo chamber for good&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/25/twitter-earns-its-journalism-stripes/#comment-48100</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. The coverage on Twitter from some of Australia&#039;s leading political journos has been second to none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. The coverage on Twitter from some of Australia&#8217;s leading political journos has been second to none.</p>
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