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	<title>Comments on: Fake Stephen Fielding: PMS and a One World Government</title>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45454</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you are talking about the right we have many ides which are based on taking decisions at the lowest level and maximum freedom for the individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you are talking about the right we have many ides which are based on taking decisions at the lowest level and maximum freedom for the individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45403</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: Peter Hatch, where are all the manifold, and beneficial  ideas of the Coalition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: Peter Hatch, where are all the manifold, and beneficial  ideas of the Coalition?</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45401</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Hatch: IMHO this so called by you, old news, IS news to the greater majority of people. Which is why I linked CC denial to a devout belief in god. As the divine (?) Steve Fielding (the original version) said after his world trip to find the truth about CC. &#039;Climate Change doesn&#039;t exist because god didn&#039;t invent it&#039;. Further, I have mentioned in other comments that Tony Abbott, the Jesuit-trained, failed priest, also is a vehement denialist, and doubtless for the same reason. God didn&#039;t invent it.

As long as people believe there is a god, so long will they be easily led by the above-mentioned clowns. Reason apparently doesn&#039;t grow in such foetid soil. Whereas the population explosion is actually seen as godly by the religious. And if you can see the reason for that, then you are a better man than I am Gunga Din.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Hatch: IMHO this so called by you, old news, IS news to the greater majority of people. Which is why I linked CC denial to a devout belief in god. As the divine (?) Steve Fielding (the original version) said after his world trip to find the truth about CC. &#8216;Climate Change doesn&#8217;t exist because god didn&#8217;t invent it&#8217;. Further, I have mentioned in other comments that Tony Abbott, the Jesuit-trained, failed priest, also is a vehement denialist, and doubtless for the same reason. God didn&#8217;t invent it.</p>
<p>As long as people believe there is a god, so long will they be easily led by the above-mentioned clowns. Reason apparently doesn&#8217;t grow in such foetid soil. Whereas the population explosion is actually seen as godly by the religious. And if you can see the reason for that, then you are a better man than I am Gunga Din.</p>
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		<title>By: kebab shop pizza</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45302</link>
		<dc:creator>kebab shop pizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>erm, most fundies/happyclappers don&#039;t even regard Catholics as &lt;i&gt;christians&lt;/i&gt;, let alone part of the same church. I think &#039;Fake Stephen Fielding&#039; may be bearing false witness !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>erm, most fundies/happyclappers don&#8217;t even regard Catholics as <i>christians</i>, let alone part of the same church. I think &#8216;Fake Stephen Fielding&#8217; may be bearing false witness !</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45220</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>silence is golden

as usual the left seem bereft of ideas.. never mind krudd the micro manager will tell you what to think</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>silence is golden</p>
<p>as usual the left seem bereft of ideas.. never mind krudd the micro manager will tell you what to think</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45215</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i actualy don&#039;t agree with you climate panics are the new religion...
I don&#039;t beleive in any religion..including jesus or gore...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i actualy don&#8217;t agree with you climate panics are the new religion&#8230;<br />
I don&#8217;t beleive in any religion..including jesus or gore&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45210</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is old news we already know the future poulation of the world it will rise to 9billion then rapidly decline...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is old news we already know the future poulation of the world it will rise to 9billion then rapidly decline&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45204</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that very few people seem to be aware of the greatest problem facing humanity. And that is over-population. The minute people take this reality into account with Climate Change will be the moment something will be done which will be of  lasting good. At the moment whatever steps are taken on ETS are merely marching on the spot.

As I have noted elsewhere, there seems to be a direct link between CC denialists and an abiding belief in god. And the chances of these people agreeing to a two-child family are exceedingly slim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that very few people seem to be aware of the greatest problem facing humanity. And that is over-population. The minute people take this reality into account with Climate Change will be the moment something will be done which will be of  lasting good. At the moment whatever steps are taken on ETS are merely marching on the spot.</p>
<p>As I have noted elsewhere, there seems to be a direct link between CC denialists and an abiding belief in god. And the chances of these people agreeing to a two-child family are exceedingly slim.</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45196</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my view is as a climate realist that is the earth warming maybe but not at the moment are the seas rising no more than in the years since he last ice age.. so lets deal with the consequences...
but what i would like to see from Australian politicians is some guts..
if you believe that global warming is man made tell us the truth about what you propose..
do what England is doing and stop producing electricity with coal and convert to gas 
start building nuclear...
and in addition stop exporting coal..
and introduce a c02 tax with no one compensated..
anything else is a fudge...and is denying us a choice....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my view is as a climate realist that is the earth warming maybe but not at the moment are the seas rising no more than in the years since he last ice age.. so lets deal with the consequences&#8230;<br />
but what i would like to see from Australian politicians is some guts..<br />
if you believe that global warming is man made tell us the truth about what you propose..<br />
do what England is doing and stop producing electricity with coal and convert to gas<br />
start building nuclear&#8230;<br />
and in addition stop exporting coal..<br />
and introduce a c02 tax with no one compensated..<br />
anything else is a fudge&#8230;and is denying us a choice&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45184</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are their any Fairfax/ABC  pinko luddites out their who can speak in favour of krudds ETS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are their any Fairfax/ABC  pinko luddites out their who can speak in favour of krudds ETS</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45179</link>
		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m noit convinced this is a fake Fielding - sounds very much like our (un)esteemed Senator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m noit convinced this is a fake Fielding - sounds very much like our (un)esteemed Senator.</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45160</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>even Marr on insiders queried about who was going to Audit...
someone has to go around to every site and measure their c02 output then return and measure again if they have reduced they get credits to trade...
This is so open to corruption, that in Europe they the UN has had to sack one of the two large auditing firms for accepting bribes....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>even Marr on insiders queried about who was going to Audit&#8230;<br />
someone has to go around to every site and measure their c02 output then return and measure again if they have reduced they get credits to trade&#8230;<br />
This is so open to corruption, that in Europe they the UN has had to sack one of the two large auditing firms for accepting bribes&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Heathdon McGregor</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45129</link>
		<dc:creator>Heathdon McGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the government was serious about the planet and not the economy then why wasn&#039;t an environmentalist/ecologist hired to write the report and not Mr Garnaut, an economist? It could have been co-authored.  Perhaps because the government are concerned with the economy above all else. They can blame Mr Fielding from My Family First (with thanks to Leaping Larry L) call him stupid and make their followers feel happy, smarter and superior but it wont fix the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the government was serious about the planet and not the economy then why wasn&#8217;t an environmentalist/ecologist hired to write the report and not Mr Garnaut, an economist? It could have been co-authored.  Perhaps because the government are concerned with the economy above all else. They can blame Mr Fielding from My Family First (with thanks to Leaping Larry L) call him stupid and make their followers feel happy, smarter and superior but it wont fix the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Heathdon McGregor</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45123</link>
		<dc:creator>Heathdon McGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Peterhatch

The ETS would seem to just give the finance industry a new toy to trade.

Hear hear

Did anybody else feel ill when Mr Marr started referring to EcoNazis rather than answer a question about this in his debate with Mr Akerman on insiders on Sunday morning?

It may be beneath you to continually answer the sceptics questions with patience but isn&#039;t the planet worth it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Peterhatch</p>
<p>The ETS would seem to just give the finance industry a new toy to trade.</p>
<p>Hear hear</p>
<p>Did anybody else feel ill when Mr Marr started referring to EcoNazis rather than answer a question about this in his debate with Mr Akerman on insiders on Sunday morning?</p>
<p>It may be beneath you to continually answer the sceptics questions with patience but isn&#8217;t the planet worth it?</p>
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		<title>By: Heathdon McGregor</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45121</link>
		<dc:creator>Heathdon McGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to get my questions answered but all I got were people calling me stupid in order to not answer my questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to get my questions answered but all I got were people calling me stupid in order to not answer my questions.</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45109</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also note hat the price of carbon in chicago is 10c a ton with Australian permits starting at $20
a ton why won&#039;t companies buy the right to &quot;pollute&quot; off shore.
this will also make it impossible for the government to compensate anyone affected by it&#039;s scheme..
that is why I say this scheme is not honest so why not a simple tax on c02</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also note hat the price of carbon in chicago is 10c a ton with Australian permits starting at $20<br />
a ton why won&#8217;t companies buy the right to &#8220;pollute&#8221; off shore.<br />
this will also make it impossible for the government to compensate anyone affected by it&#8217;s scheme..<br />
that is why I say this scheme is not honest so why not a simple tax on c02</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45108</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love irony and this is terrific! Very well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love irony and this is terrific! Very well done.</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45104</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sexual lobster you are correct but if you look at the higher ranking priorities such as saving jobs,
and controlling illegal immigrants, and strenghtening the economy i wonder how many made this fine distinction...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sexual lobster you are correct but if you look at the higher ranking priorities such as saving jobs,<br />
and controlling illegal immigrants, and strenghtening the economy i wonder how many made this fine distinction&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sexual Lobster</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45098</link>
		<dc:creator>Sexual Lobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peter hatch: if its the same poll I remember hearing so much about, it was a poll of foreign policy concerns.  So looking at climate change through the filter of  Australian&#039;s foreign policy concerns does not mean it is 7th in our order of priorities, its 7th in our order of foreign policy priorities, which I think is a major difference.  
It annoyed me greatly that most media coverage of the poll that I encountered fudged what it was about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peter hatch: if its the same poll I remember hearing so much about, it was a poll of foreign policy concerns.  So looking at climate change through the filter of  Australian&#8217;s foreign policy concerns does not mean it is 7th in our order of priorities, its 7th in our order of foreign policy priorities, which I think is a major difference.<br />
It annoyed me greatly that most media coverage of the poll that I encountered fudged what it was about.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45088</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More FSF!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More FSF!!!</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45083</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>according to a recent lowry poll climate change has fallen to a 7th order of priority for Australians. Couldn&#039;t Rudd now for once take a tough decision and say carbon tax is a better and more honest answer than the proposed ETS....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>according to a recent lowry poll climate change has fallen to a 7th order of priority for Australians. Couldn&#8217;t Rudd now for once take a tough decision and say carbon tax is a better and more honest answer than the proposed ETS&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/11/ets-fielding-and-a-one-world-government/#comment-45056</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does one have to berated at every turn to question the ETS or CPRS or whatever label it is?
If the government were seriouse about this issue 
Wouldn&#039;t they have a straight c02 tax
Wouldn&#039;t they lay off of Turnbull whilst he tries to get his party behind negotiations.
Wouldn&#039;t they supply uranium to India.
The ETS would seem to just give the finance industry a new toy to trade.
The auditors seem to be a dodgy lot....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does one have to berated at every turn to question the ETS or CPRS or whatever label it is?<br />
If the government were seriouse about this issue<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t they have a straight c02 tax<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t they lay off of Turnbull whilst he tries to get his party behind negotiations.<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t they supply uranium to India.<br />
The ETS would seem to just give the finance industry a new toy to trade.<br />
The auditors seem to be a dodgy lot&#8230;.</p>
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