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	<title>Comments on: Memo Rudd: an asylum solution</title>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45741</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Venise. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Venise. <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45725</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JILLIAN BLACKHALL: I failed to spot any sarcasm in your remark. As a matter of fact, I found it to be quite charming.

Cheers :)

Venise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JILLIAN BLACKHALL: I failed to spot any sarcasm in your remark. As a matter of fact, I found it to be quite charming.</p>
<p>Cheers <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Venise</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45557</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SBH, if I wanted to attack, I would do it directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SBH, if I wanted to attack, I would do it directly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45546</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarcasm? No, I&#039;m being quite genuine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarcasm? No, I&#8217;m being quite genuine.</p>
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		<title>By: SBH</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45523</link>
		<dc:creator>SBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillian! Such sarcasm!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillian! Such sarcasm!</p>
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		<title>By: Tamo</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45492</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread has degenerated into a private conversation between a couple of people about other subjects. It is thread termination time.</description>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45441</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Venise. I do enjoy your comments - you have a unique perspective. I regret to say that normally left-ish people have a tendency to attack, but you seem more reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Venise. I do enjoy your comments - you have a unique perspective. I regret to say that normally left-ish people have a tendency to attack, but you seem more reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45430</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JAMES McDONALD: Yeah, I take your point, after all Joseph Gobbels knew a thing or two about propaganda. But the programmes have to be produced for the mass audience, and the mass audience gets very uncomfortable when it&#039;s asked to think. Don&#039;t forget they adore Andrew Bolt, because he doesn&#039;t allow them to think. But to get under their radar enough for them to think in a visual media might be asking a bit much.

I was wearing my &#039;Andrew Bolt is a dickhead&#039; T-shirt today, and my medico, bless her, asked, &quot;Who is Andrew Bolt?&quot; :) Made my day. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JAMES McDONALD: Yeah, I take your point, after all Joseph Gobbels knew a thing or two about propaganda. But the programmes have to be produced for the mass audience, and the mass audience gets very uncomfortable when it&#8217;s asked to think. Don&#8217;t forget they adore Andrew Bolt, because he doesn&#8217;t allow them to think. But to get under their radar enough for them to think in a visual media might be asking a bit much.</p>
<p>I was wearing my &#8216;Andrew Bolt is a dickhead&#8217; T-shirt today, and my medico, bless her, asked, &#8220;Who is Andrew Bolt?&#8221; <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Made my day. <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45429</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JILLIAN BLACKHALL: I rather thought we were of a similar mind. NO?

I think you write so well, and you have a similar, mordant sense of humour to me.

It is a great pity about being &#039;moderated&#039; because It isn&#039;t until well after the event that I may be printed, thus rendering my comments to be out of context. Still, it&#039;s their website and I just have to put up with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. (apologies to Will Shakespeare)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JILLIAN BLACKHALL: I rather thought we were of a similar mind. NO?</p>
<p>I think you write so well, and you have a similar, mordant sense of humour to me.</p>
<p>It is a great pity about being &#8216;moderated&#8217; because It isn&#8217;t until well after the event that I may be printed, thus rendering my comments to be out of context. Still, it&#8217;s their website and I just have to put up with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. (apologies to Will Shakespeare)</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45328</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bought a copy of the &#039;Epilogue to the Age of Turbulence&#039;. It covers the issues that have arisen since the initial publication of the &#039;Age of Turbulence&#039;. It&#039;s an e-book of 30 pages. 

I hear that the RBA is raising interest rates because the Rudd stimulus packages were excessive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought a copy of the &#8216;Epilogue to the Age of Turbulence&#8217;. It covers the issues that have arisen since the initial publication of the &#8216;Age of Turbulence&#8217;. It&#8217;s an e-book of 30 pages. </p>
<p>I hear that the RBA is raising interest rates because the Rudd stimulus packages were excessive.</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45287</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the RBA have had an appalling record on interest rates they made our downturn worse than it should have been by increasing rates when the world was cutting like mad in Sept 08 our mortgage rates were up around 9.5%...
Now they are raising again why? to kill inflation they say what inflation? the only rise in prices has been for electricity (see Miranda Devine today) and how do you kill inflation by charging one third of Australian house holds more for their mortgage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the RBA have had an appalling record on interest rates they made our downturn worse than it should have been by increasing rates when the world was cutting like mad in Sept 08 our mortgage rates were up around 9.5%&#8230;<br />
Now they are raising again why? to kill inflation they say what inflation? the only rise in prices has been for electricity (see Miranda Devine today) and how do you kill inflation by charging one third of Australian house holds more for their mortgage.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45284</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the problem started with the US government underwriting the sale of houses to those that could not afford them. 

Alan Greenspan was under pressure to admit to having been wrong about keeping the interest rates so low. I expected him to withstand the pressure, but he admitted that he was wrong. 

It would be worth looking further into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the problem started with the US government underwriting the sale of houses to those that could not afford them. </p>
<p>Alan Greenspan was under pressure to admit to having been wrong about keeping the interest rates so low. I expected him to withstand the pressure, but he admitted that he was wrong. </p>
<p>It would be worth looking further into it.</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45278</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think he thought that Jillian after all he presided over the longest period of expansion in the US economy...
I think he felt that the banks own self interest was enough to regulate the derivatives market ,it wasn&#039;t. 
I think the problem started by the govt underwriting the sale of houses to those that could not afford them..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think he thought that Jillian after all he presided over the longest period of expansion in the US economy&#8230;<br />
I think he felt that the banks own self interest was enough to regulate the derivatives market ,it wasn&#8217;t.<br />
I think the problem started by the govt underwriting the sale of houses to those that could not afford them..</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45270</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, The thing that really surprised me about Alan Greenspan is that he agreed so readily to the proposition that the way he conducted US monetary policy was basically wrong. He made that admission after his book came out. I was about a third of the way through the book and I stopped reading because it seemed out of date at that point. I&#039;m not sure whether there is now a revised edition of the book - I haven&#039;t checked. 

James, Wow! That would be quite an achievement if the government changed its policy based on Crikey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, The thing that really surprised me about Alan Greenspan is that he agreed so readily to the proposition that the way he conducted US monetary policy was basically wrong. He made that admission after his book came out. I was about a third of the way through the book and I stopped reading because it seemed out of date at that point. I&#8217;m not sure whether there is now a revised edition of the book - I haven&#8217;t checked. </p>
<p>James, Wow! That would be quite an achievement if the government changed its policy based on Crikey.</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45260</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>game set and match to the sri lankans on the oceanic viking.. what will happen to the other sri lankans who are refusing to get off an indonesian boat with the famouse Alex on board...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>game set and match to the sri lankans on the oceanic viking.. what will happen to the other sri lankans who are refusing to get off an indonesian boat with the famouse Alex on board&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45258</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this will loose the govt support, and break the implied agreement between voters and govt
in that the voters will except large immigration as long as it is seen to be controlled.
I think now will come into play voters worries about a larger population....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this will loose the govt support, and break the implied agreement between voters and govt<br />
in that the voters will except large immigration as long as it is seen to be controlled.<br />
I think now will come into play voters worries about a larger population&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45256</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Greenspans autobiography he say that he was very close to Ayn Rand and in fact was part of her inner circle, and would read and dicuss Atlas Shrugged as it was being written...so her influence permeated the highest levels.
I remember once Malcolm Fraser saying he was influenced by her although he never demonstrated that whilst in power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Greenspans autobiography he say that he was very close to Ayn Rand and in fact was part of her inner circle, and would read and dicuss Atlas Shrugged as it was being written&#8230;so her influence permeated the highest levels.<br />
I remember once Malcolm Fraser saying he was influenced by her although he never demonstrated that whilst in power.</p>
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		<title>By: james mcdonald</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45255</link>
		<dc:creator>james mcdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big news today: Labor has taken Bernard Keane&#039;s advice. A massive intake of UNHCR refugees from Sri Lanka will be arranged. Great work, Bernard.

Being government, they couldn&#039;t help themselves going one better. The Oceanic Viking passengers will be fast-tracked for asylum applications within six weeks, and will receive settling-in assistance in the meantime. (There are folks in Chistmas Island waiting six months.) The anti queue jumper hawks will just love that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big news today: Labor has taken Bernard Keane&#8217;s advice. A massive intake of UNHCR refugees from Sri Lanka will be arranged. Great work, Bernard.</p>
<p>Being government, they couldn&#8217;t help themselves going one better. The Oceanic Viking passengers will be fast-tracked for asylum applications within six weeks, and will receive settling-in assistance in the meantime. (There are folks in Chistmas Island waiting six months.) The anti queue jumper hawks will just love that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45239</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never read the &quot;Romantic Manifesto&quot;. I have read &quot;The Fountainhead&quot;. &quot;Atlas Shrugged&quot; and &quot;We the Living&quot;. The first one I read was &quot;Atlas Shrugged&quot;. I read it 10 years ago because a friend at the time kept comparing people we knew to characters from that book and I wanted to understand what he was talking about. There is an element of truth in it. I think it was hard for intelligent women in older generations like that of Ayn Rand. She could not find an intellectual equal in the real world and so &#039;John Galt&#039; became her hero. I also think that John Galt was more of a nineteenth century type of man than a twentieth century one. The nineteenth century was the era of men (not really women) who combined science with philosophy. By the twentieth century, specialisation was more the way and those two areas were much less likely to be the domain on one individual.  So she was looking for someone who probably did not exist outside her imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never read the &#8220;Romantic Manifesto&#8221;. I have read &#8220;The Fountainhead&#8221;. &#8220;Atlas Shrugged&#8221; and &#8220;We the Living&#8221;. The first one I read was &#8220;Atlas Shrugged&#8221;. I read it 10 years ago because a friend at the time kept comparing people we knew to characters from that book and I wanted to understand what he was talking about. There is an element of truth in it. I think it was hard for intelligent women in older generations like that of Ayn Rand. She could not find an intellectual equal in the real world and so &#8216;John Galt&#8217; became her hero. I also think that John Galt was more of a nineteenth century type of man than a twentieth century one. The nineteenth century was the era of men (not really women) who combined science with philosophy. By the twentieth century, specialisation was more the way and those two areas were much less likely to be the domain on one individual.  So she was looking for someone who probably did not exist outside her imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: shepherdmarilyn</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45222</link>
		<dc:creator>shepherdmarilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Keating enshrined the refugee convention into the law and made it legal to turn up without papers.
 
61 The Refugees Convention is a part of conventional international law that has been given legislative effect in Australia: see ss 36 and 65 of the Act. It has always been fundamental to the operation of the Refugees Convention that many applicants for refugee status will, of necessity, have left their countries of nationality unlawfully and therefore, of necessity, will have entered the country in which they seek asylum unlawfully. Jews seeking refuge from war-torn Europe, Tutsis seeking refuge from Rwanda, Kurds seeking refuge from Iraq, Hazaras seeking refuge from the Taliban in Afghanistan and many others, may also be called &quot;unlawful non-citizens&quot; in the countries in which they seek asylum. Such a description, however, conceals, rather than reveals, their lawful entitlement under conventional international law since the early 1950&#039;s (which has been enacted into Australian law) to claim refugee status as persons who are &quot;unlawfully&quot; in the country in which the asylum application is made. 
62 The Refugees Convention implicitly requires that, generally, the signatory countries process applications for refugee status of on-shore applicants irrespective of the legality of their arrival, or continued presence, in that country: see Art 31. That right is not only conferred upon them under international law but is also recognised by the Act (see s 36) and the Migration Regulations 1994 (Cth) which do not require lawful arrival or presence as a criterion for a protection visa. If the position were otherwise many of the protection obligations undertaken by signatories to the Refugees Convention, including Australia, would be undermined and ultimately rendered nugatory. 
63 Notwithstanding that the applicant is an &quot;unlawful non-citizen&quot; under the Act who entered Australia unlawfully and has had his application for a protection visa refused, in making that application he was exercising a &quot;right&quot; conferred upon him under Australian law.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Keating enshrined the refugee convention into the law and made it legal to turn up without papers.</p>
<p>61 The Refugees Convention is a part of conventional international law that has been given legislative effect in Australia: see ss 36 and 65 of the Act. It has always been fundamental to the operation of the Refugees Convention that many applicants for refugee status will, of necessity, have left their countries of nationality unlawfully and therefore, of necessity, will have entered the country in which they seek asylum unlawfully. Jews seeking refuge from war-torn Europe, Tutsis seeking refuge from Rwanda, Kurds seeking refuge from Iraq, Hazaras seeking refuge from the Taliban in Afghanistan and many others, may also be called &#8220;unlawful non-citizens&#8221; in the countries in which they seek asylum. Such a description, however, conceals, rather than reveals, their lawful entitlement under conventional international law since the early 1950&#8217;s (which has been enacted into Australian law) to claim refugee status as persons who are &#8220;unlawfully&#8221; in the country in which the asylum application is made.<br />
62 The Refugees Convention implicitly requires that, generally, the signatory countries process applications for refugee status of on-shore applicants irrespective of the legality of their arrival, or continued presence, in that country: see Art 31. That right is not only conferred upon them under international law but is also recognised by the Act (see s 36) and the Migration Regulations 1994 (Cth) which do not require lawful arrival or presence as a criterion for a protection visa. If the position were otherwise many of the protection obligations undertaken by signatories to the Refugees Convention, including Australia, would be undermined and ultimately rendered nugatory.<br />
63 Notwithstanding that the applicant is an &#8220;unlawful non-citizen&#8221; under the Act who entered Australia unlawfully and has had his application for a protection visa refused, in making that application he was exercising a &#8220;right&#8221; conferred upon him under Australian law.”</p>
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		<title>By: james mcdonald</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45218</link>
		<dc:creator>james mcdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, probably the closest I ever came to topping myself was upon reading Ayn Rand&#039;s &quot;We the Living&quot;. But then, her brilliant non-fiction &quot;Romantic Manifesto&quot; made up for it and set me free, realizing I&#039;d been right all along about so-called &quot;quality&quot; literature.

Marilyn, reading again your answer to my questions, I wonder if I misunderstood your earlier statement about those most at risk coming from the UNHCR. Is this due to an Australian policy of being choosy about those referred to us, or is it because no one in real danger relies on the UNHCR to save them?

Venise and Peter, it seems I&#039;m outvoted, although Bob Burton&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/need-to-curb-a-pr-industry-spinning-out-of-control/2007/08/06/1186252624551.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;agreed with me&lt;/a&gt; in the SMH, and I still find it very plausible that they would have initiated and underwritten the show under the PR budget. Hardly the sort of thing the ABC would touch.

Michelle.K, it certainly is pretty rough when cheaper labour is imported to do away with loyal workers. In the long run, general immigration is an economic stimulus measure and results in the rest of us having more jobs, not less. But that&#039;s an aggregate effect, it&#039;s cold comfort for the one that loses his/her job to the boss&#039;s nephew or others working for half the wage.

The problem is, abuses of a migration system are unavoidable. Any migration program will be abused, either by the government (currently using migration to boost home prices and to avoid having to spend money educating young Australians), or by sponsors (the organisation you said you worked for), or the migrants themselves. Generally the more rules there are, the more they will be abused. But I guess, there are others who put the program to really good use. And I get bored these days if I have to hang out only with my own cultural group. Worth the price of a few rackets and temporary job losses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, probably the closest I ever came to topping myself was upon reading Ayn Rand&#8217;s &#8220;We the Living&#8221;. But then, her brilliant non-fiction &#8220;Romantic Manifesto&#8221; made up for it and set me free, realizing I&#8217;d been right all along about so-called &#8220;quality&#8221; literature.</p>
<p>Marilyn, reading again your answer to my questions, I wonder if I misunderstood your earlier statement about those most at risk coming from the UNHCR. Is this due to an Australian policy of being choosy about those referred to us, or is it because no one in real danger relies on the UNHCR to save them?</p>
<p>Venise and Peter, it seems I&#8217;m outvoted, although Bob Burton<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/need-to-curb-a-pr-industry-spinning-out-of-control/2007/08/06/1186252624551.html" rel="nofollow">agreed with me</a> in the SMH, and I still find it very plausible that they would have initiated and underwritten the show under the PR budget. Hardly the sort of thing the ABC would touch.</p>
<p>Michelle.K, it certainly is pretty rough when cheaper labour is imported to do away with loyal workers. In the long run, general immigration is an economic stimulus measure and results in the rest of us having more jobs, not less. But that&#8217;s an aggregate effect, it&#8217;s cold comfort for the one that loses his/her job to the boss&#8217;s nephew or others working for half the wage.</p>
<p>The problem is, abuses of a migration system are unavoidable. Any migration program will be abused, either by the government (currently using migration to boost home prices and to avoid having to spend money educating young Australians), or by sponsors (the organisation you said you worked for), or the migrants themselves. Generally the more rules there are, the more they will be abused. But I guess, there are others who put the program to really good use. And I get bored these days if I have to hang out only with my own cultural group. Worth the price of a few rackets and temporary job losses?</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45208</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well it is that&#039;s why some of os from the right must engage....
when i said earlier that malcolm does not speak out enough for individual freedom we have an example today of Rees wanting to automatically enrolling people on the electoral roll.. which is not private....
or the poms wanting to record all telephone and Internet contacts...
or the proliferation of CCTV recording your every move.. 
this is not right thinking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well it is that&#8217;s why some of os from the right must engage&#8230;.<br />
when i said earlier that malcolm does not speak out enough for individual freedom we have an example today of Rees wanting to automatically enrolling people on the electoral roll.. which is not private&#8230;.<br />
or the poms wanting to record all telephone and Internet contacts&#8230;<br />
or the proliferation of CCTV recording your every move..<br />
this is not right thinking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45203</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this website, even if most of my friends cringe with disapproval. They think it&#039;s left-wing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this website, even if most of my friends cringe with disapproval. They think it&#8217;s left-wing.</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45201</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ayn rand boring? i guess orwell was too.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ayn rand boring? i guess orwell was too&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: peterhatch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/memo-to-pm-re-oceanic-viking-subject-gamebreaker-option/#comment-45199</link>
		<dc:creator>peterhatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s hard being right.. especially in the lions den...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s hard being right.. especially in the lions den&#8230;</p>
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