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	<title>Comments on: Melbourne Uni Arts faculty anger at Dean&#8217;s re-appointment</title>
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		<title>By: rodbeecham</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/melbourne-uni-arts-faculty-anger-at-deans-re-appointment/#comment-44641</link>
		<dc:creator>rodbeecham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re getting into the crucially important but highly complex issue of what the purpose of a university actually is, aren&#039;t we?

If we assume, for the sake of argument, that a university&#039;s purpose is to equip people for employment, I think we run into a number of quite obvious difficulties.  Certain professions - e.g. accounting, medicine, the law, engineering - have always required specialist training at a high level, which is why universities have had departments and faculties devoted to them for a very long time.

But the sort of &quot;gold-collar&quot; workforce the policy statements suggest we are attempting to train require what are called &quot;generic&#039; or &quot;transferable&quot; skills.  I think it can be proved that these are not teachable skills at all but personal attributes that evolve and develop - if they do at all - in variable ways and at a variable pace that is always unique to the individual.  The more we try to &quot;quantify&quot; them, the more we get into the parallel universe of proxy variables (e.g. the possession of a particular certificate demonstrates the required level of competence in a certain field) and away from the world of actual people and actual circumstance.  (Have you noticed that hardly anyone can conduct a recruitment interview nowadays?  That&#039;s because few interviewers are capable of reading a person - all they can do is check a CV against a set of criteria.)

All of which is to say that the notion that we can &quot;train&quot; people in anything outside a particular vocational discourse (such as accounting, medicine, the law, engineering) is nonsensical, and no university subject could justify its existence in such terms.  Whatever the intention behind our current public policy settings, the reality is that we have turned our universities into certificate-generating factories, and teaching and learning is only important to the extent that it yields satisfactory results on the student satisfaction surveys.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re getting into the crucially important but highly complex issue of what the purpose of a university actually is, aren&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>If we assume, for the sake of argument, that a university&#8217;s purpose is to equip people for employment, I think we run into a number of quite obvious difficulties.  Certain professions - e.g. accounting, medicine, the law, engineering - have always required specialist training at a high level, which is why universities have had departments and faculties devoted to them for a very long time.</p>
<p>But the sort of &#8220;gold-collar&#8221; workforce the policy statements suggest we are attempting to train require what are called &#8220;generic&#8217; or &#8220;transferable&#8221; skills.  I think it can be proved that these are not teachable skills at all but personal attributes that evolve and develop - if they do at all - in variable ways and at a variable pace that is always unique to the individual.  The more we try to &#8220;quantify&#8221; them, the more we get into the parallel universe of proxy variables (e.g. the possession of a particular certificate demonstrates the required level of competence in a certain field) and away from the world of actual people and actual circumstance.  (Have you noticed that hardly anyone can conduct a recruitment interview nowadays?  That&#8217;s because few interviewers are capable of reading a person - all they can do is check a CV against a set of criteria.)</p>
<p>All of which is to say that the notion that we can &#8220;train&#8221; people in anything outside a particular vocational discourse (such as accounting, medicine, the law, engineering) is nonsensical, and no university subject could justify its existence in such terms.  Whatever the intention behind our current public policy settings, the reality is that we have turned our universities into certificate-generating factories, and teaching and learning is only important to the extent that it yields satisfactory results on the student satisfaction surveys.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelT</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/melbourne-uni-arts-faculty-anger-at-deans-re-appointment/#comment-44610</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Gavin, that the sucess of the model will only be evident in the medium term. One of the key issues will be the extent to which the market can appreciate the value of the generic as opposed to the vocational program. Since the trend has been more and more towards vocational programs I&#039;m not sure that it will, more&#039;s the pity.

At the end of the day, you can try and lead demand, but I don&#039;t think you can just ignore it. And if the market doesn&#039;t follow your lead, you have to adjust where you put your resources accordingly. But try leading first!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Gavin, that the sucess of the model will only be evident in the medium term. One of the key issues will be the extent to which the market can appreciate the value of the generic as opposed to the vocational program. Since the trend has been more and more towards vocational programs I&#8217;m not sure that it will, more&#8217;s the pity.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, you can try and lead demand, but I don&#8217;t think you can just ignore it. And if the market doesn&#8217;t follow your lead, you have to adjust where you put your resources accordingly. But try leading first!</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Moodie</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/melbourne-uni-arts-faculty-anger-at-deans-re-appointment/#comment-44571</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Moodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanx RODBEECHAM; I have long argued that the University of Melbourne moved its highly desirable programs providing entry to the elite occupations to postgraduate (or more correctly, graduate entry) so it could charge full fees for these programs.  That seemed to me a clear reading of Growing esteem: choices for the University of Melbourne, the discussion paper that proposed the Melbourne model.  However, the former provost Peter McPhee always insisted that the university introduced graduate entry to implement the Bologna agreement.

The university&#039;s difficulty is that its graduate entry programs are modelled not on Bologna but on elite US universities which fill their mostly much smaller intakes by recruiting nationally from a country of 200 million, while the University of Melbourne recruits not even nationally from a country of 20 million, but from a city of 4 million.   

This experiment needs a decade to run to see whether it will succeed.  I expect the University of Melbourne will retain its graduate entry programs long term but sufficiently modified to assure parents that their expenditure of 6 years of fees at elite private schools isn&#039;t &#039;wasted&#039; on getting their children entry to a general undergraduate program with only a chance of admission to a desirable professional program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx RODBEECHAM; I have long argued that the University of Melbourne moved its highly desirable programs providing entry to the elite occupations to postgraduate (or more correctly, graduate entry) so it could charge full fees for these programs.  That seemed to me a clear reading of Growing esteem: choices for the University of Melbourne, the discussion paper that proposed the Melbourne model.  However, the former provost Peter McPhee always insisted that the university introduced graduate entry to implement the Bologna agreement.</p>
<p>The university&#8217;s difficulty is that its graduate entry programs are modelled not on Bologna but on elite US universities which fill their mostly much smaller intakes by recruiting nationally from a country of 200 million, while the University of Melbourne recruits not even nationally from a country of 20 million, but from a city of 4 million.   </p>
<p>This experiment needs a decade to run to see whether it will succeed.  I expect the University of Melbourne will retain its graduate entry programs long term but sufficiently modified to assure parents that their expenditure of 6 years of fees at elite private schools isn&#8217;t &#8216;wasted&#8217; on getting their children entry to a general undergraduate program with only a chance of admission to a desirable professional program.</p>
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		<title>By: rodbeecham</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/melbourne-uni-arts-faculty-anger-at-deans-re-appointment/#comment-44535</link>
		<dc:creator>rodbeecham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Melbourne Model has indeed been sold &quot;to position Unimelb as the elite university with professional graduate education building on generalist undergraduate education&quot;, but, as I have noted elsewhere, this was an ingenious attempt by Glyn Davis to break out of the funding trap his university, like all Australian universities, has been in since 1989.  There are few other institutions in this country which could have attempted such a solution: it had a fighting chance at Melbourne because of that university&#039;s prestige (the reasons for which have always been a mystery to me, but that&#039;s another issue).  For this reason, the funding problems confronting the Faculty of Arts and the Melbourne Model are linked willy-nilly.

The demand-driven model for university enrolments will see - has seen - both Arts and Pure Science faculties reduced to fugitive rumps in our universities.  The Faculty of Economics and Commerce at the University of Melbourne, on the other hand, is booming, because it not only attracts a lot of students but a huge number of the high fee-paying overseas students.  This is not due to outstanding teaching or research, however: it is because the Accounting major qualifies graduates for accreditation from a professional body such as the CPA which, in turn, entitles the holder to permanent residency in this country.  The Faculty of Economics and Commerce is angry about the Melbourne Model because the &quot;breadth&quot; requirement means that, instead of filling up their degrees with non-Accounting subjects from within the Faculty (i.e. Economics, Finance or Management subjects), students have to take subjects from other faculties.  This is where the issue of &quot;propping up under-performing faculties&quot; comes in.

The Faculty of Arts would be in a much healthier position if it hadn&#039;t seen a ten-fold increase in the proportion of administrative to academic staff since 1989.  That&#039;s a (mis-)management issue can probably be sheeted home to the puerility with which Australian institutions usually respond to the spectre of market forces (cf. the response of Australian banks to competition in the 1980s).  If we&#039;re now operating like a real business, executive salaries must, of course, double, and huge numbers of highly paid paper-pushers must be recruited and given premium office-space.  The people who actually do the work of the business, however, must be bullied and punished.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Melbourne Model has indeed been sold &#8220;to position Unimelb as the elite university with professional graduate education building on generalist undergraduate education&#8221;, but, as I have noted elsewhere, this was an ingenious attempt by Glyn Davis to break out of the funding trap his university, like all Australian universities, has been in since 1989.  There are few other institutions in this country which could have attempted such a solution: it had a fighting chance at Melbourne because of that university&#8217;s prestige (the reasons for which have always been a mystery to me, but that&#8217;s another issue).  For this reason, the funding problems confronting the Faculty of Arts and the Melbourne Model are linked willy-nilly.</p>
<p>The demand-driven model for university enrolments will see - has seen - both Arts and Pure Science faculties reduced to fugitive rumps in our universities.  The Faculty of Economics and Commerce at the University of Melbourne, on the other hand, is booming, because it not only attracts a lot of students but a huge number of the high fee-paying overseas students.  This is not due to outstanding teaching or research, however: it is because the Accounting major qualifies graduates for accreditation from a professional body such as the CPA which, in turn, entitles the holder to permanent residency in this country.  The Faculty of Economics and Commerce is angry about the Melbourne Model because the &#8220;breadth&#8221; requirement means that, instead of filling up their degrees with non-Accounting subjects from within the Faculty (i.e. Economics, Finance or Management subjects), students have to take subjects from other faculties.  This is where the issue of &#8220;propping up under-performing faculties&#8221; comes in.</p>
<p>The Faculty of Arts would be in a much healthier position if it hadn&#8217;t seen a ten-fold increase in the proportion of administrative to academic staff since 1989.  That&#8217;s a (mis-)management issue can probably be sheeted home to the puerility with which Australian institutions usually respond to the spectre of market forces (cf. the response of Australian banks to competition in the 1980s).  If we&#8217;re now operating like a real business, executive salaries must, of course, double, and huge numbers of highly paid paper-pushers must be recruited and given premium office-space.  The people who actually do the work of the business, however, must be bullied and punished.</p>
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		<title>By: vovo</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/melbourne-uni-arts-faculty-anger-at-deans-re-appointment/#comment-44370</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I add that subjects with falling enrolments - be they theology, Latin, physics or philosophy - can’t reasonably insist on being funded at historically higher levels long after their enrolments have fallen with some special pleading about being central to civilisation. &quot;

Fine, drop Latin and theology, absorb philosophy into the maths and remedial English departments, but for God&#039;s sake, don&#039;t touch physics, which IS very much central to civilisation and makes real contributions to our lives. If it were a choice between Oppenheimer and Claude Lévi-Strauss, it would have to be the structuralist to get the chop, not the bomb maker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>I add that subjects with falling enrolments - be they theology, Latin, physics or philosophy - can’t reasonably insist on being funded at historically higher levels long after their enrolments have fallen with some special pleading about being central to civilisation. &#8220;</p>
<p>Fine, drop Latin and theology, absorb philosophy into the maths and remedial English departments, but for God&#8217;s sake, don&#8217;t touch physics, which IS very much central to civilisation and makes real contributions to our lives. If it were a choice between Oppenheimer and Claude Lévi-Strauss, it would have to be the structuralist to get the chop, not the bomb maker.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Moodie</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/melbourne-uni-arts-faculty-anger-at-deans-re-appointment/#comment-44352</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Moodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanx MICHAELT: at last someone writing some sense on this issue.

I add that subjects with falling enrolments - be they theology, Latin, physics or philosophy - can&#039;t reasonably insist on being funded at historically higher levels long after their enrolments have fallen with some special pleading about being central to civilisation.  These subjects have either to find a way of attracting more students or cut their staffing to be commensurate with the number of students they are able to attract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx MICHAELT: at last someone writing some sense on this issue.</p>
<p>I add that subjects with falling enrolments - be they theology, Latin, physics or philosophy - can&#8217;t reasonably insist on being funded at historically higher levels long after their enrolments have fallen with some special pleading about being central to civilisation.  These subjects have either to find a way of attracting more students or cut their staffing to be commensurate with the number of students they are able to attract.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelT</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/melbourne-uni-arts-faculty-anger-at-deans-re-appointment/#comment-44341</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further point - universities are funded by the numbers of students who go there, not by the total number of people who apply. 

Declining applications is an unfavourable indicator, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further point - universities are funded by the numbers of students who go there, not by the total number of people who apply. </p>
<p>Declining applications is an unfavourable indicator, however.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelT</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/melbourne-uni-arts-faculty-anger-at-deans-re-appointment/#comment-44340</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very partisan account of the matter.

The problem is that two very different sets of issues - the introduction of the Melbourne Model, and the budgetary problems of the Faculty of Arts - have been mixed up together in an indiscriminate fashion.

The rationale for the Melbourne Model was to position Unimelb as the elite university with professional graduate education building on generalist undergraduate education. There are good educational reasons for this that have nothing to do with money. As a generalist faculty, Arts should be able to thrive in such an environment.

As a former student with even longer-standing connections to the Faculty I want to see it succeed, but supporters need to be more hard-headed about this. Ending subsidies from other faculties is only &#039;unpopular&#039; from the point of view of the Faculty that has received the subsidies. Continuing to provide the subsidies will be considerably unpopular with the other faculties, who bring in the funds only to see it handed out to someone else. This is no way to win friends within the University.

The deline in total numbers of applications is a concern, but it doesn&#039;t necessarily translate into a decline in first preference applications, and may have no impact whatseover on student numbers in the university or in the faculty, and hence no impact on its funding.

What is needed is for the faculty to find ways to bring in more students, and hence more funding, so that they don&#039;t have to rely on subsidies. This is easier said than done, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very partisan account of the matter.</p>
<p>The problem is that two very different sets of issues - the introduction of the Melbourne Model, and the budgetary problems of the Faculty of Arts - have been mixed up together in an indiscriminate fashion.</p>
<p>The rationale for the Melbourne Model was to position Unimelb as the elite university with professional graduate education building on generalist undergraduate education. There are good educational reasons for this that have nothing to do with money. As a generalist faculty, Arts should be able to thrive in such an environment.</p>
<p>As a former student with even longer-standing connections to the Faculty I want to see it succeed, but supporters need to be more hard-headed about this. Ending subsidies from other faculties is only &#8216;unpopular&#8217; from the point of view of the Faculty that has received the subsidies. Continuing to provide the subsidies will be considerably unpopular with the other faculties, who bring in the funds only to see it handed out to someone else. This is no way to win friends within the University.</p>
<p>The deline in total numbers of applications is a concern, but it doesn&#8217;t necessarily translate into a decline in first preference applications, and may have no impact whatseover on student numbers in the university or in the faculty, and hence no impact on its funding.</p>
<p>What is needed is for the faculty to find ways to bring in more students, and hence more funding, so that they don&#8217;t have to rely on subsidies. This is easier said than done, however.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnE</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/melbourne-uni-arts-faculty-anger-at-deans-re-appointment/#comment-44308</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems we should resign ourselves to having the centre of humanities gravity move closer and closer to Canberra.  Universities in my locality are concentrating their arts funding in those areas that could be loosely termed &#039;current global issues&#039;, playing on the love of global travel and youthful optimism.  This seems to me the likely route all metro universities will take, pumping money into the social sciences, internship programs and the like.  It&#039;s far too late to resist such changes I think - from reading Richard Larkin&#039;s recent speech, one could be forgiven for believing that Australian universities are simply commercial research centres.  One measly line at the end about cultural vibrancy or some such rot is all there is to suggest institutions like Melbourne and Monash might be more than a series of &#039;compacts&#039; and &#039;centres of innovation&#039; subjugated wholly to financial metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems we should resign ourselves to having the centre of humanities gravity move closer and closer to Canberra.  Universities in my locality are concentrating their arts funding in those areas that could be loosely termed &#8216;current global issues&#8217;, playing on the love of global travel and youthful optimism.  This seems to me the likely route all metro universities will take, pumping money into the social sciences, internship programs and the like.  It&#8217;s far too late to resist such changes I think - from reading Richard Larkin&#8217;s recent speech, one could be forgiven for believing that Australian universities are simply commercial research centres.  One measly line at the end about cultural vibrancy or some such rot is all there is to suggest institutions like Melbourne and Monash might be more than a series of &#8216;compacts&#8217; and &#8216;centres of innovation&#8217; subjugated wholly to financial metrics.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Crook</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/melbourne-uni-arts-faculty-anger-at-deans-re-appointment/#comment-44284</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Crook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe it is time for a reveal or disclaimer as to the genesis of Andrew’s antagonism towards the University.&quot;

Is there something you know that I don&#039;t? 

It seems your former role in the University&#039;s Human Resources department has granted you a unique perspective from which to assess this debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Maybe it is time for a reveal or disclaimer as to the genesis of Andrew’s antagonism towards the University.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is there something you know that I don&#8217;t? </p>
<p>It seems your former role in the University&#8217;s Human Resources department has granted you a unique perspective from which to assess this debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Almond</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/06/melbourne-uni-arts-faculty-anger-at-deans-re-appointment/#comment-44272</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Almond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former general staff member of the University (who has no connection to it currently in shape or form) I readily admit that it is a far from perfect place and whilst Andrew&#039;s reports have in the past been somewhat titilating, they are now just getting ridiculous and oversimplifiy what is happening in the Uni to the pointof being quite disingenuous.  I would refer Andrew to Margaret Simons - #3 item in today&#039;s Crikey and perhaps he should have a think abut what he is producing.  Maybe it is time for a reveal or disclaimer as to the genesis of Andrew&#039;s antagonism towards the University.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former general staff member of the University (who has no connection to it currently in shape or form) I readily admit that it is a far from perfect place and whilst Andrew&#8217;s reports have in the past been somewhat titilating, they are now just getting ridiculous and oversimplifiy what is happening in the Uni to the pointof being quite disingenuous.  I would refer Andrew to Margaret Simons - #3 item in today&#8217;s Crikey and perhaps he should have a think abut what he is producing.  Maybe it is time for a reveal or disclaimer as to the genesis of Andrew&#8217;s antagonism towards the University.</p>
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