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	<title>Comments on: Failure or foundations for Copenhagen</title>
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		<title>By: John Bennetts</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bennetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paddy, How right you are!  I meant to say brown coal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paddy, How right you are!  I meant to say brown coal.</p>
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		<title>By: paddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually John B. The dirtiest power industry on earth is not black coal, it&#039;s brown. 
Come on down Victoria and let&#039;s see the Latrobe Valley take a bow.  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually John B. The dirtiest power industry on earth is not black coal, it&#8217;s brown.<br />
Come on down Victoria and let&#8217;s see the Latrobe Valley take a bow.  <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-sad.png' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Bennetts</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/02/failure-or-foundations-for-copenhagen/#comment-43773</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bennetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erwin and Roger, what lovely foils for each other your contributions are.

I, too, see no reason to expect rapid, measurable, effective or binding changes.  These things are anathema to the status quo, which must be maintained at any expense.

That expense includes forking out tens of billions of dollars to support the dirtiest power industry on the planet.  No, not uranium-based, but black coal.

There is a lot of self interest to be conquored before the final battles to save our planet are joined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erwin and Roger, what lovely foils for each other your contributions are.</p>
<p>I, too, see no reason to expect rapid, measurable, effective or binding changes.  These things are anathema to the status quo, which must be maintained at any expense.</p>
<p>That expense includes forking out tens of billions of dollars to support the dirtiest power industry on the planet.  No, not uranium-based, but black coal.</p>
<p>There is a lot of self interest to be conquored before the final battles to save our planet are joined.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Clifton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Clifton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the world&#039;s industry really is serious about replacing carbon in the lifetime of today&#039;s toddlers, the Copenhagen conference would be accompanied by a major industrial fair of alternative energy technology. Do we hear the early fanfare of wind turbine makers chortling that there are fortunes to be made at Copenhagen? Do we hear the solar PV and solar thermal manufacturers jostling for position? Nuclear? Alternative transport fuels?

No, you would far more likely to be approached in a Copenhagen alleyway by someone with his collar turned up, furtively offering things called &quot;offsets&quot;, and flashing a tatty photograph of a peasant planting a sapling between windrows of bulldozed forest. Only $1 million apiece, he says, and offers to run off as many more copies as you want. Very discreet, he promises, no one will ever question it.

If our leaders were serious about replacing carbon as our energy source, they would be using the word itself, &lt;i&gt;replacing&lt;/i&gt;.   Then the targets would be dates. Instead, all we ever hear is the word, &lt;i&gt; reducing&lt;/i&gt;. The target is then of how much to reduce by, and as we have seen lately, such&lt;i&gt; reductions&lt;/i&gt; can be made as small as small can be. 

Bring on the poets. There are consciences to be roused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the world&#8217;s industry really is serious about replacing carbon in the lifetime of today&#8217;s toddlers, the Copenhagen conference would be accompanied by a major industrial fair of alternative energy technology. Do we hear the early fanfare of wind turbine makers chortling that there are fortunes to be made at Copenhagen? Do we hear the solar PV and solar thermal manufacturers jostling for position? Nuclear? Alternative transport fuels?</p>
<p>No, you would far more likely to be approached in a Copenhagen alleyway by someone with his collar turned up, furtively offering things called &#8220;offsets&#8221;, and flashing a tatty photograph of a peasant planting a sapling between windrows of bulldozed forest. Only $1 million apiece, he says, and offers to run off as many more copies as you want. Very discreet, he promises, no one will ever question it.</p>
<p>If our leaders were serious about replacing carbon as our energy source, they would be using the word itself, <i>replacing</i>.   Then the targets would be dates. Instead, all we ever hear is the word, <i> reducing</i>. The target is then of how much to reduce by, and as we have seen lately, such<i> reductions</i> can be made as small as small can be. </p>
<p>Bring on the poets. There are consciences to be roused.</p>
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