Two points: In 2005, Cubbie was stated to be a $130M investment. It now owes $320M to the banks and is for sale for “only” $450+M. Nice numbers, but where is the value?

Second: It is futile discussing water extraction from a catchment with those, including Cubbie’s owners, who would have us believe that the surface water runoff from 93,000 ha, which is essentially 100% captured, is not water. If only 10 mm per annum, ie runoff is about 24% of annual rainfall, this amounts to almost 930,000 Gl (Gigalitres) per annum, or a handfull of sydarbs. OK, I may be wrong. If you believe that this is inflated, please produce your own calculations, however this water must be accounted for in the same way that water taken from the three rivers traversing the properties is accounted for. This dwarfs any figure that John Clements has addressed. Mr Clements, you inadvertently forgot to tell us of your personal interest, if any, in the above. Perhaps that could help to explain yor blindness to the real situation. That, and the reliance by some commentators on the official Cubbie Station website, which clearly discounts any consideration of intercepted overland flows in its water budget.

So what did it actually do. It sent about 500 refugees back to Indonesia - the last 88 are apparently coming to Australia this year after years in limbo. 61% of the refugees were brought to Australia anyway.

400 Afghans were forced home in the middle of the war, dozens have been killed, about 20 have come back to us this year and been accepted as refugees and the rest live in the terror we have helped to create for them.

Since 2001 we have only accepted 460 refugees from Indonesia after our cops have had them illegally rounded up and illegally jailed in another country while we bring “refugees” here that have been in other countries for 25 years, like the Karen Burmese. But less than 1% of them. WE have brought Bhutanese who have been in Nepal for 19 years, but only 0.9% of them.

And we claim there is some bloody queue.