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	<title>Comments on: Kate Ellis and the youth roundtable that wasn&#8217;t</title>
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		<title>By: Sally Goldner</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42741</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally Goldner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is typical of how society treats young people...and then we wonder why young people are a tad disgruntled! Add in the combination of tabloid media and police association hysteria that generalises young people as dangerous drivers, violent and &quot;they&#039;re too young to know anything.&quot; Is anyone lobbying to counter this vilification?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is typical of how society treats young people&#8230;and then we wonder why young people are a tad disgruntled! Add in the combination of tabloid media and police association hysteria that generalises young people as dangerous drivers, violent and &#8220;they&#8217;re too young to know anything.&#8221; Is anyone lobbying to counter this vilification?</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey Tarvydas</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42734</link>
		<dc:creator>Harvey Tarvydas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Harvey M Tarvydas #3

And of course .......... the infinitely ultimately disgraceful Vietnamese war.
I haven&#039;t marched against disgraceful wars since I was a Yoof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Harvey M Tarvydas #3</p>
<p>And of course &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. the infinitely ultimately disgraceful Vietnamese war.<br />
I haven&#8217;t marched against disgraceful wars since I was a Yoof.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey Tarvydas</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42733</link>
		<dc:creator>Harvey Tarvydas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Harvey M Tarvydas  #2

But I can&#039;t help myself.
At 17 years of age I was a placard bearing one of 4 or 6 who marched down Perth&#039;s main street against Menzies’ conscription laws and got beaten up by the 200 policemen that were in fear of their lives as they protected Perth from us kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Harvey M Tarvydas  #2</p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t help myself.<br />
At 17 years of age I was a placard bearing one of 4 or 6 who marched down Perth&#8217;s main street against Menzies’ conscription laws and got beaten up by the 200 policemen that were in fear of their lives as they protected Perth from us kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey Tarvydas</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42732</link>
		<dc:creator>Harvey Tarvydas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Harvey M Tarvydas

When I was a Yoof, oh no, I won&#039;t do it here as its such a long story with so much excitement and extraordinary achievement from 14 onwards (the likes of which I have only come to truly appreciate since old and crusty became appropriate pronouns and a lifetime of comparative study) and so X-rated (looking back) that I will have to find an appropriate forum to launch my career as the exemplar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Harvey M Tarvydas</p>
<p>When I was a Yoof, oh no, I won&#8217;t do it here as its such a long story with so much excitement and extraordinary achievement from 14 onwards (the likes of which I have only come to truly appreciate since old and crusty became appropriate pronouns and a lifetime of comparative study) and so X-rated (looking back) that I will have to find an appropriate forum to launch my career as the exemplar</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas James</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42720</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate Ellis, Minister for talking down to young people.  

&quot;Ms Ellis told Crikey that the PM had web-chatted live with young people yesterday as part of the National Conversation to inform the government’s youth strategy.&quot;

Is this the same webchat that some of the &quot;yoofs&quot; asked the PM about the upcoming internet censorship, and were told that he wasn&#039;t going to ignore that issue, and promptly ignored it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate Ellis, Minister for talking down to young people.  </p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Ms Ellis told Crikey that the PM had web-chatted live with young people yesterday as part of the National Conversation to inform the government’s youth strategy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this the same webchat that some of the &#8220;yoofs&#8221; asked the PM about the upcoming internet censorship, and were told that he wasn&#8217;t going to ignore that issue, and promptly ignored it?</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42685</link>
		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, bit out of touch, when did a 22yr old become yoof? Arrested development and/or over developed sense of entitlement?
I agree with Jossy&#039;s point - they should be out living and learning real life rather than seeking a sinecure to ascend the slimy pole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, bit out of touch, when did a 22yr old become yoof? Arrested development and/or over developed sense of entitlement?<br />
I agree with Jossy&#8217;s point - they should be out living and learning real life rather than seeking a sinecure to ascend the slimy pole.</p>
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		<title>By: SHEILA NEWMAN</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42680</link>
		<dc:creator>SHEILA NEWMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We got to the room, where we were then informed again that the Minister would not be able to attend. A KPMG consultant started talking about the report, that we didn&#039;t have and hadn&#039;t read, until a participant interrupted her and requested we get to the reason why we were there -- the National Strategy for Young Australians.&quot;

Ah, those ubiquitous &lt;a href=&quot;http://candobetter.org/taxonomy/term/1533&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;KPMG consultants&lt;/a&gt;: In the Iraq war, in Timor with the ex-Premier of Victoria, Mr Bracks, as regular writers in Murdoch&#039;s HeraldSun and on the front of the business pages in his Australian.

I often wonder if Australia isn&#039;t just another franchise.
I don&#039;t think youth should be exposed to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>We got to the room, where we were then informed again that the Minister would not be able to attend. A KPMG consultant started talking about the report, that we didn&#8217;t have and hadn&#8217;t read, until a participant interrupted her and requested we get to the reason why we were there&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the National Strategy for Young Australians.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, those ubiquitous <a href="http://candobetter.org/taxonomy/term/1533" rel="nofollow">KPMG consultants</a>: In the Iraq war, in Timor with the ex-Premier of Victoria, Mr Bracks, as regular writers in Murdoch&#8217;s HeraldSun and on the front of the business pages in his Australian.</p>
<p>I often wonder if Australia isn&#8217;t just another franchise.<br />
I don&#8217;t think youth should be exposed to them.</p>
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		<title>By: jossy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42679</link>
		<dc:creator>jossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty shoddy.

Mind you I personally have never trusted the sort of youth that are interested in politics at 22 years of age (generally law and political science students that want a career in politics). The majority of Australians at that age are doing useful things with their time so these young people are hardly representative of their age cohort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty shoddy.</p>
<p>Mind you I personally have never trusted the sort of youth that are interested in politics at 22 years of age (generally law and political science students that want a career in politics). The majority of Australians at that age are doing useful things with their time so these young people are hardly representative of their age cohort.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith is not my real name</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42667</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith is not my real name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s some shoddy work by the Minister, I hope she apologises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s some shoddy work by the Minister, I hope she apologises.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Street</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42660</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s the type of occurrence for which the term FUBAR is appropriate...  Amazing, simply amazing :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s the type of occurrence for which the term FUBAR is appropriate&#8230;  Amazing, simply amazing <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-sad.png' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bakerboy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42658</link>
		<dc:creator>bakerboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The photogenic Kate Ellis, who attended unversity for 6 years and graduated in nothing. What more can you expect.  Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The photogenic Kate Ellis, who attended unversity for 6 years and graduated in nothing. What more can you expect.  Alex</p>
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		<title>By: stephen martin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42606</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; the Minister told Crikey she was in Parliament and &quot;couldn&#039;t attend every meeting&quot;. - Of course she couldn&#039;t, but she could still attend meetings that had been organised by her staff; if only as a matter of courtesy. Arrogance to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; the Minister told Crikey she was in Parliament and &#8220;couldn&#8217;t attend every meeting&#8221;. - Of course she couldn&#8217;t, but she could still attend meetings that had been organised by her staff; if only as a matter of courtesy. Arrogance to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42593</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously though, are we surprised? The crusties don&#039;t care about the kids. It represents their past, not their future.
The young don&#039;t have a lot to offer politically...According to the Pollytics blogs recently, they are all going to vote Labour or Green regardless. As long as they don&#039;t think about joing the dark hoards of the libs, they will be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously though, are we surprised? The crusties don&#8217;t care about the kids. It represents their past, not their future.<br />
The young don&#8217;t have a lot to offer politically&#8230;According to the Pollytics blogs recently, they are all going to vote Labour or Green regardless. As long as they don&#8217;t think about joing the dark hoards of the libs, they will be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: David FENWICKE</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42588</link>
		<dc:creator>David FENWICKE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;yoof&quot; delagates should be grateful that they didn&#039;t have to spend the afternoon shredding top secret documents under the watchful eye of Albo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;yoof&#8221; delagates should be grateful that they didn&#8217;t have to spend the afternoon shredding top secret documents under the watchful eye of Albo.</p>
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		<title>By: John T</title>
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		<dc:creator>John T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And par for the course for Kate Ellis. Is there no supervision of the performance of Kevin&#039;s  kiddie ministers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And par for the course for Kate Ellis. Is there no supervision of the performance of Kevin&#8217;s  kiddie ministers?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42580</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It most certainly did. Hollowmen is creepily prophetic like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It most certainly did. Hollowmen is creepily prophetic like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie Bartlett</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/23/kate-ellis-and-the-youth-roundtable-that-wasnt/#comment-42568</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>didnt this happen in an episode of &quot;hollowmen&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>didnt this happen in an episode of &#8220;hollowmen&#8221;</p>
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