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	<title>Comments on: Pink bits: the absurd world of gendered consumer products</title>
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		<title>By: laurajcarroll</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42309</link>
		<dc:creator>laurajcarroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: laurajcarroll</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42308</link>
		<dc:creator>laurajcarroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Mel.  I just saw a tampon ad which was &lt;a href=&quot;http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qNHGpDDhwCg/SsxPp1eDzXI/AAAAAAAAAE0/WcCd8vEHr8w/s400/kotexluxury.jpg&quot; title=&quot;a sexy naked woman with the top part of her head cut off&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;, so where gendered advertising is redundant advertisers are moving on to sexualisation, like they&#039;re more or less identical.  

I have never quite understood why making a pink &amp; sparkly version of the same product broadens the market.  Surely it just constructs a smaller subset of the full and general market, because of course the flip side of the pink commodity is that most men would much rather go without than buy any object explicitly marketed to women.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Mel.  I just saw a tampon ad which was <a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qNHGpDDhwCg/SsxPp1eDzXI/AAAAAAAAAE0/WcCd8vEHr8w/s400/kotexluxury.jpg" title="a sexy naked woman with the top part of her head cut off" rel="nofollow">, so where gendered advertising is redundant advertisers are moving on to sexualisation, like they&#8217;re more or less identical.  </p>
<p>I have never quite understood why making a pink &amp; sparkly version of the same product broadens the market.  Surely it just constructs a smaller subset of the full and general market, because of course the flip side of the pink commodity is that most men would much rather go without than buy any object explicitly marketed to women.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pete WN</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42225</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete WN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whether they’ve been influenced by marketing or it’s the marketers responding to a need is a question i can’t answer&quot;

I think its a little from column A and column B. Most people are savvy enough to know when something is complete crap (iSnack 2.0 anyone?). The rest of the time its somewhere in between.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Whether they’ve been influenced by marketing or it’s the marketers responding to a need is a question i can’t answer&#8221;</p>
<p>I think its a little from column A and column B. Most people are savvy enough to know when something is complete crap (iSnack 2.0 anyone?). The rest of the time its somewhere in between.</p>
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		<title>By: mike bazan</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42163</link>
		<dc:creator>mike bazan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the sole male in a house of 5 I can bear witness to the effectiveness of products marketed at women. I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s sexist or not but for sure it&#039;s a fact that my girls would rather pay twice as much for pink girly razors then use my sensible and cheaper blue (for boys?) gillettes. They like the cordial vodka drinks while I drink beer. They buy dolly, cosmo, womens day etc while i read the sports section of the local rag. They buy cute mobile phones &amp; apple ipods while i get the one thats does what i want for the cheapest price. Their car of choice is something like a micra or mirage (i suspect because it&#039;s easier to reverse) while i drive a wagon. Whether they&#039;ve been influenced by marketing or it&#039;s the marketers responding to a need is a question i can&#039;t answer - and as long as they leave my beer alone i don&#039;t care either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the sole male in a house of 5 I can bear witness to the effectiveness of products marketed at women. I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s sexist or not but for sure it&#8217;s a fact that my girls would rather pay twice as much for pink girly razors then use my sensible and cheaper blue (for boys?) gillettes. They like the cordial vodka drinks while I drink beer. They buy dolly, cosmo, womens day etc while i read the sports section of the local rag. They buy cute mobile phones &amp; apple ipods while i get the one thats does what i want for the cheapest price. Their car of choice is something like a micra or mirage (i suspect because it&#8217;s easier to reverse) while i drive a wagon. Whether they&#8217;ve been influenced by marketing or it&#8217;s the marketers responding to a need is a question i can&#8217;t answer - and as long as they leave my beer alone i don&#8217;t care either.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42132</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Julian, no need to bet your nut – you&#039;ll need it if Mother freezes the other one off!

I just remembered that my hairdryer is a little, snub-nosed silver thing called the Sunbeam &quot;Pistol Airo&quot;. I think it&#039;s meant to evoke some Wild West gunslinger vibe. It came in a box with &quot;Pistol Airo… The Man&#039;s Dryer&quot; emblazoned on the side. 

My aunt, who&#039;d bought me the dryer for Christmas, was so embarrassed when I pointed this out – &quot;Oh, I&#039;m so sorry, I didn&#039;t know it was for &lt;i&gt;men&lt;/i&gt;! I thought it was a nice small one for travelling!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Julian, no need to bet your nut – you&#8217;ll need it if Mother freezes the other one off!</p>
<p>I just remembered that my hairdryer is a little, snub-nosed silver thing called the Sunbeam &#8220;Pistol Airo&#8221;. I think it&#8217;s meant to evoke some Wild West gunslinger vibe. It came in a box with &#8220;Pistol Airo… The Man&#8217;s Dryer&#8221; emblazoned on the side. </p>
<p>My aunt, who&#8217;d bought me the dryer for Christmas, was so embarrassed when I pointed this out – &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m so sorry, I didn&#8217;t know it was for <i>men</i>! I thought it was a nice small one for travelling!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ..fred</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42120</link>
		<dc:creator>..fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>advertising works for &#039;most&#039; of the people &#039;most&#039; of the time
its entire oeuvre is seeking the lowest common denominator
hence, sex and gender

you want to get rid of gendered or sexist advertising?
...get rid of advertising!

(which i fully support by the way, that wasn&#039;t just an off the cuff statement)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>advertising works for &#8216;most&#8217; of the people &#8216;most&#8217; of the time<br />
its entire oeuvre is seeking the lowest common denominator<br />
hence, sex and gender</p>
<p>you want to get rid of gendered or sexist advertising?<br />
&#8230;get rid of advertising!</p>
<p>(which i fully support by the way, that wasn&#8217;t just an off the cuff statement)</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Cram</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42118</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Cram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A marketeers job is to try to sell you crap you don&#039;t need in a package which attracts you.

I&#039;m willing to bet my right nut that for all your blustering, you&#039;ve got at least a hair dryer, one lipstick, and more than one pair of shoes - in other words - shit you don&#039;t need.

The problem is now everyone, even those such as yourself who think they&#039;re above marketing tricks, has shit they don&#039;t need. So marketeers need to think of new ways to sell us new shit we don&#039;t need, and they do it by making men think women like men to look pretty, and painting shit pink.

The reason they do this is because it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A marketeers job is to try to sell you crap you don&#8217;t need in a package which attracts you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to bet my right nut that for all your blustering, you&#8217;ve got at least a hair dryer, one lipstick, and more than one pair of shoes - in other words - shit you don&#8217;t need.</p>
<p>The problem is now everyone, even those such as yourself who think they&#8217;re above marketing tricks, has shit they don&#8217;t need. So marketeers need to think of new ways to sell us new shit we don&#8217;t need, and they do it by making men think women like men to look pretty, and painting shit pink.</p>
<p>The reason they do this is because it works.</p>
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		<title>By: davkel</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42110</link>
		<dc:creator>davkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How good is that Sarah Haskins stuff?!  It&#039;s always so reassuring to see Americans use irony!</description>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42109</link>
		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the Hummingbird girly-beer come cheaper due to their lower pay..? jes askin&#039;</description>
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		<title>By: SBH</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42081</link>
		<dc:creator>SBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I&#039;d over stress the scientific nature of marketing notmensa.</description>
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		<title>By: notmensa</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42050</link>
		<dc:creator>notmensa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citrus-flavoured wheat beer is great - beer shelves in Germany usually have a selection of flavours. The Barvarian Beer Cafe here does a fresh peach one. 

As for the raft of new products, Jim&#039;s got it right. Most new products (or variations on existing ones) are launched after substantial market testing - focus groups, product trials, etc. Either there are lots of people who like this stuff, or lots of people lying to market researchers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citrus-flavoured wheat beer is great - beer shelves in Germany usually have a selection of flavours. The Barvarian Beer Cafe here does a fresh peach one. </p>
<p>As for the raft of new products, Jim&#8217;s got it right. Most new products (or variations on existing ones) are launched after substantial market testing - focus groups, product trials, etc. Either there are lots of people who like this stuff, or lots of people lying to market researchers.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42038</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also that ad in which a couple discusses the merits of a 4WD: he (being a bloke) loves its mad performance specs, whereas she claims to love it for its MP3 player. Cos chicks are incapable of appreciating a car on its merits - they just dig shiny frippery.

I received an email from Borders with Mothers Day gift suggestions: a schmaltzy Ronan Keating CD, the latest Jodi Piccoult, cookbooks, something called How to Love, and the DVD of Marley and Me. Women&#039;s gifts, you see; there is no chance that a mother would possibly want to read philosophy, or economics or politics or even real literature. 

And manscaping products are gendered the other way: tough products for blokes.  Bold colours or black packaging, strong citrus scent.  Often with a utilitarian hook: it&#039;s not just a shampoo, it&#039;s anti-dandruff. Which is practically medicinal and therefore nobody will think you are, you know. Effeminate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also that ad in which a couple discusses the merits of a 4WD: he (being a bloke) loves its mad performance specs, whereas she claims to love it for its MP3 player. Cos chicks are incapable of appreciating a car on its merits - they just dig shiny frippery.</p>
<p>I received an email from Borders with Mothers Day gift suggestions: a schmaltzy Ronan Keating CD, the latest Jodi Piccoult, cookbooks, something called How to Love, and the DVD of Marley and Me. Women&#8217;s gifts, you see; there is no chance that a mother would possibly want to read philosophy, or economics or politics or even real literature. </p>
<p>And manscaping products are gendered the other way: tough products for blokes.  Bold colours or black packaging, strong citrus scent.  Often with a utilitarian hook: it&#8217;s not just a shampoo, it&#8217;s anti-dandruff. Which is practically medicinal and therefore nobody will think you are, you know. Effeminate.</p>
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		<title>By: james mcdonald</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42033</link>
		<dc:creator>james mcdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing is that advertising science is pretty much empirically based, so while individual campaigns may miss their targets, overall trends do not miss. And the overall trend may have less to do with s-xism than with the increasing neotenisation (i.e. the tendency never to fully mature into adults) of urban society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing is that advertising science is pretty much empirically based, so while individual campaigns may miss their targets, overall trends do not miss. And the overall trend may have less to do with s-xism than with the increasing neotenisation (i.e. the tendency never to fully mature into adults) of urban society.</p>
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		<title>By: meski</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42017</link>
		<dc:creator>meski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like the taste of beer (so deport me as unAustralian) but can&#039;t imagine what making it citrus flavoured would do.  Blame Apple for the colour theming idea, but the pink bit is a bit cringe-worthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like the taste of beer (so deport me as unAustralian) but can&#8217;t imagine what making it citrus flavoured would do.  Blame Apple for the colour theming idea, but the pink bit is a bit cringe-worthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42015</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you won&#039;t be buying Barbie Camper &#039;non stop glamour&#039; as per tv advert recently. Advertised on Mornings Ch9 last Sunday if memory serves while I was waiting for political shows. I got to thinking is this GFC fallout or what? Hanging out in camper vans. But I googled a youtube just now and it&#039;s got provenance back to 1971. The 2009 version is complete with sister &#039;Skipper&#039; and another fashionable sibling brat. Those Americans and their funny names. Maybe Falcon is in there hiding in the seat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you won&#8217;t be buying Barbie Camper &#8216;non stop glamour&#8217; as per tv advert recently. Advertised on Mornings Ch9 last Sunday if memory serves while I was waiting for political shows. I got to thinking is this GFC fallout or what? Hanging out in camper vans. But I googled a youtube just now and it&#8217;s got provenance back to 1971. The 2009 version is complete with sister &#8216;Skipper&#8217; and another fashionable sibling brat. Those Americans and their funny names. Maybe Falcon is in there hiding in the seat?</p>
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		<title>By: SBH</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-42010</link>
		<dc:creator>SBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget Nutri-grain Mel, in their current blurb they note that &quot;boys need protein&quot;  so what do girls need?  That&#039;s leaving aside their hideous deification of the only boy child as the appropriate object of a mothers love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget Nutri-grain Mel, in their current blurb they note that &#8220;boys need protein&#8221;  so what do girls need?  That&#8217;s leaving aside their hideous deification of the only boy child as the appropriate object of a mothers love.</p>
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		<title>By: John Molloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks like something worthy of study at the Ponds institute. Also, while on the subject, why do men need their own skincare product, Nivea? Good luck with that. I am in favour of pink razors for women. Saves me a lot of pain if I confuse mine with hers. My wife&#039;s car is a medium hatchback, black. Mine small, silver. A previous car written off while parked. A woman in a four wheel drive hit the go pedal instead of the stop one and had a four car accident, all cars other than hers being parked. My present car was repaired after a woman turned right in my path. Am I attracting the wrong sort of women?  Ramble on.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like something worthy of study at the Ponds institute. Also, while on the subject, why do men need their own skincare product, Nivea? Good luck with that. I am in favour of pink razors for women. Saves me a lot of pain if I confuse mine with hers. My wife&#8217;s car is a medium hatchback, black. Mine small, silver. A previous car written off while parked. A woman in a four wheel drive hit the go pedal instead of the stop one and had a four car accident, all cars other than hers being parked. My present car was repaired after a woman turned right in my path. Am I attracting the wrong sort of women?  Ramble on&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Sutherland</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/20/pink-bits-the-absurd-world-of-gendered-consumer-products/#comment-41964</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Sutherland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advertising is about increasing sales. By turning an inaminate object like a spanner / phone into a gender based object by painting it pink you increase your market.
  Also there is a legitimate difference in the product - I know my daughter would buy the pink toolkit in preference to the boring chrome set - its not a question of sexism, her personal choice is for brightly coloured consumer items where as I find the bright colours offputing.</description>
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  Also there is a legitimate difference in the product - I know my daughter would buy the pink toolkit in preference to the boring chrome set - its not a question of sexism, her personal choice is for brightly coloured consumer items where as I find the bright colours offputing.</p>
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