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	<title>Comments on: Mateship gets a push in the new citizenship test</title>
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		<title>By: james mcdonald</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/19/mateship-gets-a-push-in-the-new-citizenship-test/#comment-41931</link>
		<dc:creator>james mcdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They invited submissions, and I sent one in suggesting that instead of learning to parrot a bunch of cliches, prospective citizens could take part in a workshop.

The workshop would consist of a variety of speakers, from different backgrounds and points of view (eg a farmer, an Aboriginal elder, someone from Rotary, a schoolteacher, ... like that) explaining what Australian citizenship meant to them. Importantly, whenever the speakers disagreed on a point, they would acknowledge each other&#039;s different opinions with respect and move on. Prospective citizens would be required only to attend and to show some interest and respect, nothing else.

Anyway, that was my suggestion. Didn&#039;t come to anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They invited submissions, and I sent one in suggesting that instead of learning to parrot a bunch of cliches, prospective citizens could take part in a workshop.</p>
<p>The workshop would consist of a variety of speakers, from different backgrounds and points of view (eg a farmer, an Aboriginal elder, someone from Rotary, a schoolteacher, &#8230; like that) explaining what Australian citizenship meant to them. Importantly, whenever the speakers disagreed on a point, they would acknowledge each other&#8217;s different opinions with respect and move on. Prospective citizens would be required only to attend and to show some interest and respect, nothing else.</p>
<p>Anyway, that was my suggestion. Didn&#8217;t come to anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz45</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/19/mateship-gets-a-push-in-the-new-citizenship-test/#comment-41905</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is embarrassing isn&#039;t it? I think it&#039;s racist and quite revolting. A citizenship test proves what? That people can learn some elements of a subject and then pass the test and then what? As others questioned, what&#039;s happened to the real history. I understand that there was a war with aboriginal people that lasted about 100 years(or still is happening, depending on your view?) and conservatively, 20,000 aboriginal people were killed. I don&#039;t think that includes the women who were raped by white pearlers and when their pregnancy became obvious, they were thrown into the ocean? 

I don&#039;t celebrate Australia Day for reasons that must be quite obvious. I wear my favourite T-shirt which was the protest one against Jabiluka Uranium mine, and I try  to do something positive to let people know why I&#039;m wearing it. I feel a great sense of shame on that day, in fact on every day. This is just disgusting and hurtful to put these lies on such a test! One of the questions is a multiple choice question on the colours on the aboriginal flag. A better one would be what those colours represent! I&#039;d get rid of the damned questionaire. Apart from anything else it&#039;s infantile!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is embarrassing isn&#8217;t it? I think it&#8217;s racist and quite revolting. A citizenship test proves what? That people can learn some elements of a subject and then pass the test and then what? As others questioned, what&#8217;s happened to the real history. I understand that there was a war with aboriginal people that lasted about 100 years(or still is happening, depending on your view?) and conservatively, 20,000 aboriginal people were killed. I don&#8217;t think that includes the women who were raped by white pearlers and when their pregnancy became obvious, they were thrown into the ocean? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t celebrate Australia Day for reasons that must be quite obvious. I wear my favourite T-shirt which was the protest one against Jabiluka Uranium mine, and I try  to do something positive to let people know why I&#8217;m wearing it. I feel a great sense of shame on that day, in fact on every day. This is just disgusting and hurtful to put these lies on such a test! One of the questions is a multiple choice question on the colours on the aboriginal flag. A better one would be what those colours represent! I&#8217;d get rid of the damned questionaire. Apart from anything else it&#8217;s infantile!</p>
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		<title>By: james mcdonald</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/19/mateship-gets-a-push-in-the-new-citizenship-test/#comment-41852</link>
		<dc:creator>james mcdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering, do we really want to teach new citizens that our expectation is for them to blithely repeat whatever they&#039;ve been told?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering, do we really want to teach new citizens that our expectation is for them to blithely repeat whatever they&#8217;ve been told?</p>
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		<title>By: jungarrayi</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/19/mateship-gets-a-push-in-the-new-citizenship-test/#comment-41841</link>
		<dc:creator>jungarrayi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what are we complaining about?

From the &quot;Old Customs House&quot; web-site:

&quot;The Dictation Test
From 1901 customs officers were given the power to exclude all non-Europeans. This became the cornerstone of the so-called White Australia Policy. 

In the face of considerable international criticism, officials looked for a way to exclude people without making it seem due to race. The answer was the notorious Dictation Test. Immigrants could be required to pass a language test in any European language. If they failed, they were refused entry. 

Maltese applicants were given a test in Dutch. A political activist who spoke several European languages eventually failed when he was tested in Gaelic. 

This technique continued to be used by Customs until the early 1960s&quot;.

A similar technique is currently being used in remote Aboriginal Australia. School children are being tested in English (NAPLAN testing) and their failure to reach certain standards is then used as an excuse to destroy bi-lingual programmes. 

The current citizenship test is a breeze. Give us another half a century and we will be a truly enlightened Nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what are we complaining about?</p>
<p>From the &#8220;Old Customs House&#8221; web-site:</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>The Dictation Test<br />
From 1901 customs officers were given the power to exclude all non-Europeans. This became the cornerstone of the so-called White Australia Policy. </p>
<p>In the face of considerable international criticism, officials looked for a way to exclude people without making it seem due to race. The answer was the notorious Dictation Test. Immigrants could be required to pass a language test in any European language. If they failed, they were refused entry. </p>
<p>Maltese applicants were given a test in Dutch. A political activist who spoke several European languages eventually failed when he was tested in Gaelic. </p>
<p>This technique continued to be used by Customs until the early 1960s&#8221;.</p>
<p>A similar technique is currently being used in remote Aboriginal Australia. School children are being tested in English (NAPLAN testing) and their failure to reach certain standards is then used as an excuse to destroy bi-lingual programmes. </p>
<p>The current citizenship test is a breeze. Give us another half a century and we will be a truly enlightened Nation.</p>
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		<title>By: paddy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/19/mateship-gets-a-push-in-the-new-citizenship-test/#comment-41816</link>
		<dc:creator>paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Australians are proud of the fact that their nation did not emerge through revolution or bloodshed, but by negotiation and referendum.]

Bloody hell!!!  I&#039;m gobsmacked. 
That would be brilliant &quot;Pythonesque&quot; humour, if it wasn&#039;t so blatantly and tragically false. 
Clearly, some people&#039;s blood just doesn&#039;t count. 
The white blindfold view of history I guess.  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Australians are proud of the fact that their nation did not emerge through revolution or bloodshed, but by negotiation and referendum.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bloody hell!!!  I&#8217;m gobsmacked.<br />
That would be brilliant &#8220;Pythonesque&#8221; humour, if it wasn&#8217;t so blatantly and tragically false.<br />
Clearly, some people&#8217;s blood just doesn&#8217;t count.<br />
The white blindfold view of history I guess.  <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-sad.png' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Frank Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/19/mateship-gets-a-push-in-the-new-citizenship-test/#comment-41803</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citizenship test? God it&#039;s embarrassing. 

Mateship? Make &#039;em watch &quot;Wake in Fright&quot; before sitting the test...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizenship test? God it&#8217;s embarrassing. </p>
<p>Mateship? Make &#8216;em watch &#8220;Wake in Fright&#8221; before sitting the test&#8230;</p>
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