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	<title>Comments on: Bolt&#8217;s blog: why the apologies will continue</title>
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		<title>By: meski</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41759</link>
		<dc:creator>meski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a moderator of a high-traffic mailing list in the past, the way it worked was that everyone was moderated when they joined, however after a number of posts that were regarded as &#039;ok&#039; they would be transferred to auto-mod - unless there were objectionable words in the mail.  So if it was a regular that posted the mail, and they were clever about use of words, they could get an objectionable mail through.  Once.  Then they&#039;d goto being banned or perma-mod. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a moderator of a high-traffic mailing list in the past, the way it worked was that everyone was moderated when they joined, however after a number of posts that were regarded as &#8216;ok&#8217; they would be transferred to auto-mod - unless there were objectionable words in the mail.  So if it was a regular that posted the mail, and they were clever about use of words, they could get an objectionable mail through.  Once.  Then they&#8217;d goto being banned or perma-mod. <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RICK68</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41731</link>
		<dc:creator>RICK68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Bolt&#039;s blog blooms on race, Islam, illegal immigration and fear, and some of Pauline Hanson&#039;s race policies, and his wingnuts love every minute of it. Regards, Richard Ryan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Bolt&#8217;s blog blooms on race, Islam, illegal immigration and fear, and some of Pauline Hanson&#8217;s race policies, and his wingnuts love every minute of it. Regards, Richard Ryan.</p>
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		<title>By: RICK68</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41730</link>
		<dc:creator>RICK68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BOLT plays the racist fiddle, and his adoring bloggers dance to his tune. Bolt posts a picture of Marr on his blog,he knew the reaction that would produce. Then he cries,he is a victim, not in my book, Mr. Bolt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BOLT plays the racist fiddle, and his adoring bloggers dance to his tune. Bolt posts a picture of Marr on his blog,he knew the reaction that would produce. Then he cries,he is a victim, not in my book, Mr. Bolt.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Digby</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41729</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Digby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 06:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the offending comments are no longer available, it is hard to comment on the appropriateness of their removal.  I assume the use of &quot;homophobic&quot; in this context refers to expressions of hate for Marr on the basis of his sexuality.  
In general, comments which are homophobic, misogynic, misandric (and others) should be removed from publications based firstly, on the existing legal limitations to free speech and secondly, their importance to the communication as a whole.  

&quot;A woman&#039;s preaching is like a dog&#039;s walking on his hinder legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all.&quot; - Dr. Samuel Johnson

Scott Bridges&#039; article seems to suggest that this comment should be deleted from a post (or the whole post deleted) because it is insulting to women.  I am confident that many people would consider it (incorrectly) to be evidence of misogyny.  The comment could be very important to Dr. Samuel Johnson&#039;s communication in that it reveals an attitude that may influence his argument. 
If the comment is removed,  the argument, still based on such predjudice, could sound more reasonable and the reader would be less informed about the writer.  If the editor considered that the comment revealed nothing of relevance about the author or the argument, then it should be deleted (as should any such superflous sentence).

For a person with such a venemous tongue as David Marr to complain about a blog, I assume the comments must have breached the laws against free speech rather than merely those of good writing.  (I do not consider &quot;good taste&quot; as relevant as it is surely the essence of political correctness).

From a wide reading of other comments on other blogs as well as letters to the editor, it seems a very widespread practice for bloggers and editors to &quot;filter out the stuff they’d rather not have published on the same page as their own words&quot;.   Frequently, this demonstrates a failure to recognise or respect a well expressed, but contrary view.  It also reinforces the sense of alienation felt by many who feel that influential mastheads, channels and sites are really only interested in attacking the usual suspects, whether from the left or the right.

I think that Andrew Bolt&#039;s site performs a very valuable service in allowing a very wide range of both note and pitch, where so many sites merely have a comment containing variants of &quot;me too !&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the offending comments are no longer available, it is hard to comment on the appropriateness of their removal.  I assume the use of &#8220;homophobic&#8221; in this context refers to expressions of hate for Marr on the basis of his sexuality.<br />
In general, comments which are homophobic, misogynic, misandric (and others) should be removed from publications based firstly, on the existing legal limitations to free speech and secondly, their importance to the communication as a whole.  </p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>A woman&#8217;s preaching is like a dog&#8217;s walking on his hinder legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all.&#8221; - Dr. Samuel Johnson</p>
<p>Scott Bridges&#8217; article seems to suggest that this comment should be deleted from a post (or the whole post deleted) because it is insulting to women.  I am confident that many people would consider it (incorrectly) to be evidence of misogyny.  The comment could be very important to Dr. Samuel Johnson&#8217;s communication in that it reveals an attitude that may influence his argument.<br />
If the comment is removed,  the argument, still based on such predjudice, could sound more reasonable and the reader would be less informed about the writer.  If the editor considered that the comment revealed nothing of relevance about the author or the argument, then it should be deleted (as should any such superflous sentence).</p>
<p>For a person with such a venemous tongue as David Marr to complain about a blog, I assume the comments must have breached the laws against free speech rather than merely those of good writing.  (I do not consider &#8220;good taste&#8221; as relevant as it is surely the essence of political correctness).</p>
<p>From a wide reading of other comments on other blogs as well as letters to the editor, it seems a very widespread practice for bloggers and editors to &#8220;filter out the stuff they’d rather not have published on the same page as their own words&#8221;.   Frequently, this demonstrates a failure to recognise or respect a well expressed, but contrary view.  It also reinforces the sense of alienation felt by many who feel that influential mastheads, channels and sites are really only interested in attacking the usual suspects, whether from the left or the right.</p>
<p>I think that Andrew Bolt&#8217;s site performs a very valuable service in allowing a very wide range of both note and pitch, where so many sites merely have a comment containing variants of &#8220;me too !&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: RICK68</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41724</link>
		<dc:creator>RICK68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bolt &lt;em&gt;(Edit - can&#039;t say that)&lt;/em&gt;. The man brings it upon himself, and then he cries to be the victim. If Bolt throws the dice, he must play the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bolt <em>(Edit - can&#8217;t say that)</em>. The man brings it upon himself, and then he cries to be the victim. If Bolt throws the dice, he must play the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Ziegler</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41596</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobias Ziegler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the one you mean, confessions (I haven&#039;t seen a site meter, certainly), but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Interpreter&lt;/a&gt; blog from the Lowy Institute does much the same. I think that works well for a niche or &#039;expert&#039; blog - not sure whether it would be so good for someone trying to reach the masses on all political issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the one you mean, confessions (I haven&#8217;t seen a site meter, certainly), but <a href="http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/" rel="nofollow">The Interpreter</a> blog from the Lowy Institute does much the same. I think that works well for a niche or &#8216;expert&#8217; blog - not sure whether it would be so good for someone trying to reach the masses on all political issues.</p>
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		<title>By: confessions</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41590</link>
		<dc:creator>confessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good article Scott.

[a blog without comments - which is what Bolt appears to be proposing as a solution today - is hardly a blog at all.]

One of my must-read daily blogs has no comment facility, instead the host posts reader emails and his responses. It obviously doesn&#039;t put people off because his blog traffic has grown in the 2 years I&#039;ve been reading (there&#039;s a site meter), and he wins blog awards and stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good article Scott.</p>
<blockquote><p>a blog without comments - which is what Bolt appears to be proposing as a solution today - is hardly a blog at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>One of my must-read daily blogs has no comment facility, instead the host posts reader emails and his responses. It obviously doesn&#8217;t put people off because his blog traffic has grown in the 2 years I&#8217;ve been reading (there&#8217;s a site meter), and he wins blog awards and stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Ziegler</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41581</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobias Ziegler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent work, Scott.

Jason&#039;s point about a blog without comments is a good one, although I&#039;d note that the News Ltd blogs are missing another feature of blogs - trackbacks or pingbacks. Although their blog posts list a trackback count next to the comment count, trackbacks aren&#039;t recorded.

I wonder whether enabling trackbacks may be a compromise solution for sites that don&#039;t want comments but want to let readers interact with the site&#039;s content. Anyone who wants to be part of the &#039;conversation&#039; can write at their own blog (off the publisher&#039;s web site) and have it show up as a link on the target of the commentary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent work, Scott.</p>
<p>Jason&#8217;s point about a blog without comments is a good one, although I&#8217;d note that the News Ltd blogs are missing another feature of blogs - trackbacks or pingbacks. Although their blog posts list a trackback count next to the comment count, trackbacks aren&#8217;t recorded.</p>
<p>I wonder whether enabling trackbacks may be a compromise solution for sites that don&#8217;t want comments but want to let readers interact with the site&#8217;s content. Anyone who wants to be part of the &#8216;conversation&#8217; can write at their own blog (off the publisher&#8217;s web site) and have it show up as a link on the target of the commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: Irfan Yusuf</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41576</link>
		<dc:creator>Irfan Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://mediamcmullah.blogspot.com/search/label/Andrew%20Bolt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mediamcmullah.blogspot.com/search/label/Andrew%20Bolt" rel="nofollow">http://mediamcmullah.blogspot.com/search/label/Andrew%20Bolt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chade</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41553</link>
		<dc:creator>Chade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason: &quot;...a blog without comments... is hardly a blog at all.&quot;

No, it&#039;s a column! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason: &#8220;&#8230;a blog without comments&#8230; is hardly a blog at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s a column! <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Liz45</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41549</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, well, who&#039;d have thought? Andrew Bolt with some homophobic insults on his blog! I have nothing but contempt for Bolt, and anyone with time to waste on his blog site are desperate to be heard? (*edit)  I watched with glee one program of Q &amp; A when he patronisingly assured the young woman, (who&#039;s embraced the Islamic faith, and wearing a hijab) that his intention was not to cause racist attitudes or to &#039;upset&#039; her or anyone, and she laughed and said, &quot;yes you were&quot;? It was perfect! I laughed gave her a standing ovation in my lounge room! The look on his face was worth a photo!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, well, who&#8217;d have thought? Andrew Bolt with some homophobic insults on his blog! I have nothing but contempt for Bolt, and anyone with time to waste on his blog site are desperate to be heard? (*edit)  I watched with glee one program of Q &amp; A when he patronisingly assured the young woman, (who&#8217;s embraced the Islamic faith, and wearing a hijab) that his intention was not to cause racist attitudes or to &#8216;upset&#8217; her or anyone, and she laughed and said, &#8220;yes you were&#8221;? It was perfect! I laughed gave her a standing ovation in my lounge room! The look on his face was worth a photo!</p>
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		<title>By: RobJ</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41548</link>
		<dc:creator>RobJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Scott.

&quot;(Again for the record, I’m not suggesting that Bolt’s silence indicates endorsement.) &quot;

But one could be forgiven for thinking that since he&#039;s not scared to comment directly to posts that counter his views, ie posts from a &#039;leftist&#039; viewpoint, or if one wants to take a pop at someone Bolt likes and respects (eg, John Pasquarale (spelling???)).

Like you say, the silence is deafening!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Scott.</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>(Again for the record, I’m not suggesting that Bolt’s silence indicates endorsement.) &#8220;</p>
<p>But one could be forgiven for thinking that since he&#8217;s not scared to comment directly to posts that counter his views, ie posts from a &#8216;leftist&#8217; viewpoint, or if one wants to take a pop at someone Bolt likes and respects (eg, John Pasquarale (spelling???)).</p>
<p>Like you say, the silence is deafening!</p>
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		<title>By: Daphon</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41542</link>
		<dc:creator>Daphon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The report  button is not a bad idea.  I&#039;ve seen it used on a forum I visit.  It doesn&#039;t create a flood of reports to the admins if the button on a comment is used more than once as only the first click generates a report.  Later clicks get a message saying the comment has already been reported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The report  button is not a bad idea.  I&#8217;ve seen it used on a forum I visit.  It doesn&#8217;t create a flood of reports to the admins if the button on a comment is used more than once as only the first click generates a report.  Later clicks get a message saying the comment has already been reported.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41538</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece, Scott. the only other thing to say that a blog without comments - which is what Bolt appears to be proposing as a solution today - is hardly a blog at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece, Scott. the only other thing to say that a blog without comments - which is what Bolt appears to be proposing as a solution today - is hardly a blog at all.</p>
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		<title>By: glengyron</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/16/bolts-blog-why-the-apologies-will-continue/#comment-41536</link>
		<dc:creator>glengyron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it kill them to implement a &#039;report&#039; button that put offensive comments forward for review?

Also, I think it&#039;s reasonable for Bolt to complain that the offensive comments come from “students”, “leftists trying to cause michief” and “nutters”, as those groups represent his entire readership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it kill them to implement a &#8216;report&#8217; button that put offensive comments forward for review?</p>
<p>Also, I think it&#8217;s reasonable for Bolt to complain that the offensive comments come from “students”, “leftists trying to cause michief” and “nutters”, as those groups represent his entire readership.</p>
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