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	<title>Comments on: Harsh US airline penalties highlight lack of them here</title>
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		<title>By: Ben Sandilands</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/15/harsh-us-airline-penalties-highlight-lack-of-them-here/#comment-41508</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Sandilands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PaulG

I discussed the situation with REX prior to publication of the earlier Crikey story. That person, with operational control, said the pilot took some persuading to continue the flight. He said Canberra like Wagga Wagga was also experiencing bad weather at the time but when I suggested that Goulburn, Albury Wodonga, Griffith, and at least one other airport on the western side of the divide were all available and well within the reach of the turbo-prop the conversation ended. This was a gamble, and the consequences of the other engine cutting out low over the southern highlands would have been a crash. 

Nothing less than a full examination of a situation where an airliner flew  for 55 minutes or more in breach of CAR 20.6 with passengers on board is required. 

Just how shabby is the administration of air safety in this country? Just how long do you think this situation will last?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaulG</p>
<p>I discussed the situation with REX prior to publication of the earlier Crikey story. That person, with operational control, said the pilot took some persuading to continue the flight. He said Canberra like Wagga Wagga was also experiencing bad weather at the time but when I suggested that Goulburn, Albury Wodonga, Griffith, and at least one other airport on the western side of the divide were all available and well within the reach of the turbo-prop the conversation ended. This was a gamble, and the consequences of the other engine cutting out low over the southern highlands would have been a crash. </p>
<p>Nothing less than a full examination of a situation where an airliner flew  for 55 minutes or more in breach of CAR 20.6 with passengers on board is required. </p>
<p>Just how shabby is the administration of air safety in this country? Just how long do you think this situation will last?</p>
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		<title>By: Paulg</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/15/harsh-us-airline-penalties-highlight-lack-of-them-here/#comment-41451</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand the Rex pilot made a decision available to him/her pursuant to the Civil Aviation Orders. Subsection 3.2 states:

3.2 The pilot in command of a multi-engine aircraft in which 1 engine fails or the 
rotation thereof is stopped, may proceed to an aerodrome of his or her selection 
instead of the nearest suitable aerodrome if, upon consideration of all relevant 
factors, he or she deems such action to be safe and operationally acceptable.  
These factors shall include the following: 
 (a) nature of the malfunctioning and the possible mechanical difficulties 
which may be encountered if the flight is continued; 
 (b) availability of the inoperative engine to be used; 
 (c) altitude, aircraft weight, and usable fuel at the time of engine stoppage; 
 (d) distance to be flown coupled with the performance availability should 
another engine fail; 
 (e) relative characteristics of aerodromes available for landing; 
 (f) weather conditions en route and at possible landing points; 
 (g) air traffic congestion; 
 (h) type of terrain; 
 (i) familiarity of the pilot with the aerodrome to be used. 

You may not agree with decision made but it was within discretion. CASA could not reasonably do more than seek an explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the Rex pilot made a decision available to him/her pursuant to the Civil Aviation Orders. Subsection 3.2 states:</p>
<p>3.2 The pilot in command of a multi-engine aircraft in which 1 engine fails or the<br />
rotation thereof is stopped, may proceed to an aerodrome of his or her selection<br />
instead of the nearest suitable aerodrome if, upon consideration of all relevant<br />
factors, he or she deems such action to be safe and operationally acceptable.<br />
These factors shall include the following:<br />
 (a) nature of the malfunctioning and the possible mechanical difficulties<br />
which may be encountered if the flight is continued;<br />
 (b) availability of the inoperative engine to be used;<br />
 (c) altitude, aircraft weight, and usable fuel at the time of engine stoppage;<br />
 (d) distance to be flown coupled with the performance availability should<br />
another engine fail;<br />
 (e) relative characteristics of aerodromes available for landing;<br />
 (f) weather conditions en route and at possible landing points;<br />
 (g) air traffic congestion;<br />
 (h) type of terrain;<br />
 (i) familiarity of the pilot with the aerodrome to be used. </p>
<p>You may not agree with decision made but it was within discretion. CASA could not reasonably do more than seek an explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: paddy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/15/harsh-us-airline-penalties-highlight-lack-of-them-here/#comment-41413</link>
		<dc:creator>paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Downright scary stuff Ben. 
There&#039;s a ghastly sense of inevitability about when, and not if, we&#039;ll be confronted with a major tragedy. 
It seems inconceivable that a (supposedly) savvy minister like Albanese, can&#039;t sense what a major disaster would do to his own political career. 
Let&#039;s just hope he reads Crikey .  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downright scary stuff Ben.<br />
There&#8217;s a ghastly sense of inevitability about when, and not if, we&#8217;ll be confronted with a major tragedy.<br />
It seems inconceivable that a (supposedly) savvy minister like Albanese, can&#8217;t sense what a major disaster would do to his own political career.<br />
Let&#8217;s just hope he reads Crikey .  <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-sad.png' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Frank Birchall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/15/harsh-us-airline-penalties-highlight-lack-of-them-here/#comment-41392</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Birchall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Ben&#039;s comments are factually correct in all significant respects, it is simply disgusting and scandalous that the federal government (including CASA &amp; ATSB) can stand by and do nothing, gazing mindlessly at the potential disasters, like Daisy the cow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Ben&#8217;s comments are factually correct in all significant respects, it is simply disgusting and scandalous that the federal government (including CASA &amp; ATSB) can stand by and do nothing, gazing mindlessly at the potential disasters, like Daisy the cow.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith is not my real name</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/15/harsh-us-airline-penalties-highlight-lack-of-them-here/#comment-41353</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith is not my real name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of those examples you gave are extraordinary and quite terrifying. Wtf were REX thinking? and why in hell are the authorities not taking action!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of those examples you gave are extraordinary and quite terrifying. Wtf were REX thinking? and why in hell are the authorities not taking action!</p>
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