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Triguboff, Keane talking fiction on house prices
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Reading in The Australian the pleas of billionaire Harry Triguboff that the Reserve Bank not raise interest rates, one could be forgiven for thinking the man is a complete fool. But that would be a naïve assumption. You generally don’t become the third richest man in the country without a degree of nous. And you can bet that Triguboff was very much talking up his own book when he claimed that “rates must not be raised now if we want to keep unemployment down and our economy strong”. Triguboff’s Sydney-based Meriton Apartments group is one of Australia’s largest home builders. According to BRW, Triguboff is worth at least $3.6 billion (and probably more now that property prices have continued to rise since this year’s rich list was calculated). The longer Australia’s housing bubble continues, the more Triguboff can sell his apartments for. If interest rates rise, the amount people will be able to pay for property invariably falls, resulting in prices resembling reality. That won’t be good for Triguboff. On that topic, even the Financial Times’ influential Lex column unusually weighed into Australia’s property price debate this morning. Lex is effectively the FT ’s equivalent of the Australian Financial Review’s Chanticleer column — for it to comment on Australia’s property sector is highly unusual. But perhaps even Lex noticed what many Australian columnists, even our own Bernard Keane appear happy to ignore — that housing prices, regardless of so-called “supply constraints”, are not sustainable. Lex noted:
Meanwhile, median value first homes are changing hands at 4.5 times average household disposable income, according to Commonwealth Bank of Australia — well above the long-run 3-to-1 mean. The so-called “supply issue” touted by property boosters is based on a couple of fallacious assumptions — first, that immigrants will continue to move to Australia, regardless of the employment market and cost of living. Second, that Australians love housing more than the rest of the world, which supports our willingness to pay a greater proportion of income on housing and leads to Australians demanding bigger houses and living in smaller households. Structural supply issues can take a long time to correct. There are fewer more percipient clichés in finance that the fact that “the market can remain inefficient longer than you can remain solvent”. Will immigrants continue to move to Australia as a house costs twice as much here as in the US? Will the Government continue to promote immigration if Australian unemployment rises above 10%? Unlikely. Of course, these structural changes often take years to eventuate, so the paradigm shift in property prices may take longer than even most bears suggest. As for Triguboff, he is clearly a better businessman than he is economist. His claim that “it really amazes me that after seven years of stagnation in Australian housing prices, one or two quarters of very modest price rises are enough to make the RBA cry bubble” is comical. Perhaps Triguboff hasn’t looked too closely at actual statistics. ABS and REIV data indicates that the median price for a Melbourne property has increased from $241,000 in 2002 to more than $520,000 now — a rise of 115% in seven years. Hardly modest. Triguboff continued to make a self-serving platitudes at one point noting that “my fear is that should the RBA raise rates, as production of new dwellings drops and rents rise, more and more people will leave Sydney, and eventually even Australia”. Given that much of Australia’s current housing problem is caused by over-leverage due to householders utilising too much debt, combined with more people moving to Australia than there are dwellings being constructed, that fear is somewhat unfounded. Australia’s third richest man then opined that “Australians have always made money on their properties, and if we want to fight inflation then that is still the best way for them to prosper.” So according to Triguboff, continuing to ensure that property prices are out of reach for many young families is a good thing because it allows billionaire property developers to continue to make money. (The people who benefit from rising prices are speculators, bankers and the taxman). Moreover, inflation is caused by an expansion in a country’s money supply, and is therefore curbed by increasing interest rates, as opposed to Triguboff’s suggestion that increased debt and higher property prices are a way of fighting inflation. Triguboff is dead wrong. Higher rates will also work to pop the ever-growing housing bubble and ensure that in time, property prices return to more affordable multiples of average income. It will also reward those who save rather than those who consume, which will eventually benefit Australia’s productive capacity. When monetary policy advice given by billionaire property developers is treated with anything more than utmost disdain, you know we are in one hell of a bubble. |
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16 Comments
I was going to paraphrase, but would have only ended up repeating the whole
article.
Those comments from Triguboff are alarming, but it signals the sociopathic heights
of self interest that he and his ilk will go to, in avoiding the most obvious of
commercial realities…what goes up must come down.. Harry…and what goes down
( interest rates ) must go up.
To give Harry his due, he has been one of Australia’s foremost philanthropists ….but
how can he be so insensitive to curbing the Australian Housing bubble? He of all
people should know economies run in cycles. Does he expect that the RBA should
hold back on rate rises just so his personal empire can flourish for a few more years
at the expense of the rest of us 21.9 million Australians?
Glenn Stevens: Thanks for the tough love.
BK: stick to politics, you are good at “that”.
Triguboff’s most amazing statement is that “Australians have always made money on their properties, and if we want to fight inflation then that is still the best way for them to prosper.”
It’s true some Australians make money from renting or renovating houses, but I don’t think Triguboff means that; he means speculative capital gain.
You don’t “make” money from speculation on existing assets; it has to come from somewhere. That somewhere is out of site and out of mind, but it’s still there. The money comes from the future, in a process similar to capitalized borrowing.
People paying high prices today are actually borrowing to pay off the retirements of their elders. The burden will then pass to kids who as yet have no idea what they’ll be payng for, and to generations not even born yet. It’s a form of future-eating.
(((It’s true some Australians make money from renting or renovating houses, but I don’t think Triguboff means that; he means speculative capital gain.)))
Bingo!!!
According to my sourses, there is a real sales log-jamb in the 500k- 1,000k range of properties purchased at the peak of 2006.
The problem these people have is they are hanging by their teeth waiting for someone to rescue them by asking them to pay way too much for what the property is worth already, on top the asset apreciation level from 2006.
In other words, they paid top dollar at the peak of a cycle in 2006, and now want to quit their debt levels and pocket some change due to an advancing cycle of rate-rises and maybe scale down, but there is no buyers in that range…big problem…unless of course it can be sustained.
Not much chance of that when the FHOG vanishes at the end of the year and at the same time we are entering an upward trend of rate rises…..are there anymore aces left in the pack?
I don’t know who Adam Schwab is or how old he is but he’s very wrong. I’ve been in and watched the Australian residential housing market for over 40 years. It cycles of course but it has trended upward continuously and will continue to do so. Irrespective of the rate of unemployment and house prices, migrants will always want to come here. We need the bodies and the skills so the government will keep bringing them. Due to poor planning by State governments and local councils, supply of land for housing lags behind demand hence the 40,000 under supply each year. I think Australians do love their houses more than other countries (in Europe, not many own their house) and housing is seen as a good investment for rental. We may see a few people get caught by the coming interest rate rises but it won’t affect the overall market. Adam should sit down with Steve Keen and preach doom and gloom to each other. Alex
Adam, I have no idea who you are or how old you are either, but I have been reading your comments for a good few years and your insights into the business environment are one of the most anticipated things when I open my crikey email. You truly excel when talking about corporations and the various players in that stratosphere.
I too believe that there is a housing bubble, but maybe we are both wrong. However what I know for fact is that Bernard Keane should not enter into this discussion. Bernard, stick to politics because that is what you know about, please don’t stray into making comments on the economy, or recently the financial planning industry, because your ignorant on these things and basically don’t know s^&t.
Bakerboy you confuse a market maintained by deliberate and expensive policies with one trending upwards due to natural forces or whatever. A bit like someone saying “water? just turn on your tap, there’s plenty of water”. And I dare say, you also confuse age or lack of it with wisdom or lack of it.
BakerBoy: I am gonna try my hand at some social engineering…why not, everyone else does.
Do you really believe it’s good govt policy to maintain current levels of immigration when we are already battling to effectively house the people that dwell here? And what effect does the current levels of immigration have on employment?…I know these are dumb questions of which we already know the answers, but who’s interest does this serve?
The Govts policy of relaxing foreign ownership rules at a time when it is least needed… is very mysterious.
Chris Cornish: ((((Bernard, stick to politics because that is what you know about, please don’t stray into making comments on the economy, or recently the financial planning industry, because your ignorant on these things and basically don’t know s^&t.))))
It’s a crash course in thinking Left with your heart, but thinking Right with your head..hehehe
I do love the irony of someone telling Bernard to stick to what he’s good at, while including the amateur’s mistake of using the wrong you’re.
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((((Bakerboy you confuse a market maintained by deliberate and expensive policies with one trending upwards due to natural forces or whatever)))))
James: Yes..thats the nutshell.
The contrived, verses the natural market forces…and in this case, tell me that the unholy trinty of Banks/Govt/Multi-Nationals… have not had a Hand in it’s prolonging.
Lots of leftie-style ‘banks/govt/multis’ conspiracy stuff here. Why not include the CIA? Also a touch of racism re immigration levels. Gary, there is a natural cycle of about 7 years in housing in Australia not influenced by expensive govt policies, the upward trend is just the result of a growing population and a more affluent society. It will always be so in this country for the foreseeable. Alex
Oh yes bakerboy, lets not intefere with your sense of Peter Pan reality.
As you probably noticed, this thread has been taken down..so if you wanna really go for it, there is nobody looking…least of all the moderators….so do you want the truth about life.?..or do you wanna believe the lie.
“Conspiracy” implies secret. There’s nothing secret about it. “Collaboration” would be a better word, with home-owner voters cheering for more.
Aggh James Hi ya..Yes, they get what they crave…but who got them hooked in the first place?
Who led them single file to the coming slaughter?…it’s gonna come crashing down mate. i personally believe that we here in Oz have n’t even begun the real recession yet, it just seems to be a suckers paradise in that certain financial mechanisms have managed to delay the impact so far.
that was no stretch the other day when i commented sourses telling me about the log-jam in the industry with properties in the 500K-1,000K range..it’s fact, they can’t move them and there are some very anxious people.
A friend of mine lost his job in a round of retrenchments last week. The company had got through the last year on existing deals but no new deals to be found. They say it’s a “delayed effect of the GFC”. Here we go …
((((Lots of leftie-style ‘banks/govt/multis’ conspiracy stuff here. Why not include the CIA? Also a touch of racism re immigration levels. ))))
BakerBoy is trying to profile me…write me off as one of those conspiracy nuts.
When someone calls you a racist on the basis of critisism toward immigration levels, then it’s time to not take them seriously.
Can we reach 20.