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	<title>Comments on: You want dangerous ideas? These are dangerous ideas</title>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40640</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BG: Ouch :( The idiots saying they couldn&#039;t read bugged me. Your exps is worse. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BG: Ouch <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-sad.png' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  The idiots saying they couldn&#8217;t read bugged me. Your exps is worse. <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bullmore's Ghost</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40605</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullmore's Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VA: &quot;Each voter to be asked ‘name three of the political hopefuls standing for election in this electorate&#039;&quot;

That&#039;s not a bad idea, especially if there are only two candidates, LOL!

But to be fair, they should be allowed to consult their how to vote tickets.

I was once handing out such things when a fellow asked me where to get one for &quot;informal&quot;. Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VA: &#8220;Each voter to be asked ‘name three of the political hopefuls standing for election in this electorate&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a bad idea, especially if there are only two candidates, LOL!</p>
<p>But to be fair, they should be allowed to consult their how to vote tickets.</p>
<p>I was once handing out such things when a fellow asked me where to get one for &#8220;informal&#8221;. Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40483</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BULLMORE&#039;S GHOST: Let&#039;s face it, there are many people out there who don&#039;t want to be educated. But I think my suggestion was apposite. Each voter to be asked &#039;name three of the political hopefuls  standing for election in this electorate&#039;.

I venture to suggest that it could be as much as two people in five who would flunk it. I&#039;m not excluding recent arrivals because it seems to me they are frequently more involved with being Australian than the people who were bore here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BULLMORE&#8217;S GHOST: Let&#8217;s face it, there are many people out there who don&#8217;t want to be educated. But I think my suggestion was apposite. Each voter to be asked &#8216;name three of the political hopefuls  standing for election in this electorate&#8217;.</p>
<p>I venture to suggest that it could be as much as two people in five who would flunk it. I&#8217;m not excluding recent arrivals because it seems to me they are frequently more involved with being Australian than the people who were bore here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bullmore's Ghost</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40436</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullmore's Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stafan said: &quot;On the fractional vote issue, I have tried without success to devise a formula that would limit the political influence of notorious tax avoiders like your mortal predecessor.&quot;

I think the answer to that would be something like: Unless you are below the taxable income threshold, you are given one additional vote for every rounded-upwards percentage point in the result of the equation (tax actually paid / gross income earned).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stafan said: &#8220;On the fractional vote issue, I have tried without success to devise a formula that would limit the political influence of notorious tax avoiders like your mortal predecessor.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the answer to that would be something like: Unless you are below the taxable income threshold, you are given one additional vote for every rounded-upwards percentage point in the result of the equation (tax actually paid / gross income earned).</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Landherr</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40406</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Landherr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bullymore&#039;s Ghost,

I think that the questions in an eligibility test should bear a strong relation to the privilege being sought (thus my civics test).   
Your grammar question, or similar, would be a good one to apply before allowing anyone to post anything online (imagine the bandwidth reduction -- we&#039;d hardly need the NBN)

On the fractional vote issue, I have tried without success to devise a formula that would limit the political influence of notorious tax avoiders like your mortal predecessor :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bullymore&#8217;s Ghost,</p>
<p>I think that the questions in an eligibility test should bear a strong relation to the privilege being sought (thus my civics test).<br />
Your grammar question, or similar, would be a good one to apply before allowing anyone to post anything online (imagine the bandwidth reduction&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;we&#8217;d hardly need the NBN)</p>
<p>On the fractional vote issue, I have tried without success to devise a formula that would limit the political influence of notorious tax avoiders like your mortal predecessor <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bullmore's Ghost</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40391</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullmore's Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 06:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stefan has the germ of a good idea, however I&#039;d simplify the voter eligibility test to just one question.

Is the following sentence grammatically correct? If not, why?

If you continue to ignore the speed limit, your likely to get more fine&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefan has the germ of a good idea, however I&#8217;d simplify the voter eligibility test to just one question.</p>
<p>Is the following sentence grammatically correct? If not, why?</p>
<p>If you continue to ignore the speed limit, your likely to get more fine&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Beaver</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40311</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Beaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this a lot Stefan, particularly the thermo laws. I worked in a BIG corporation running their energy efficiency program for a while. I would have loved a big red rubber stamp that said &quot;Great idea! Pity it violates the ____ Law Of Thermodynamics&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this a lot Stefan, particularly the thermo laws. I worked in a BIG corporation running their energy efficiency program for a while. I would have loved a big red rubber stamp that said &#8220;Great idea! Pity it violates the ____ Law Of Thermodynamics&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Landherr</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40307</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Landherr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about: 

1.  Requiring would-be voters to pass a quiz before being allowed to cast a vote.
Sample questions:
 &quot;Is this a Federal or State election ?&quot; &quot;Which electorate do you live in ?&quot; 
plus 8 questions from the Citizenship booklet.  
Pass mark set at a generous 30%.

2.  Overturning the &quot;one person, one vote rule&quot;; with the value of your vote depending upon your net contribution to the public purse;  e.g.   
(a) One-third of a vote if you obtain more than 80% of your income as a public pension or allowance; 
(b) Two-thirds of a vote if employed as a public servant or you obtain more than 20% of your income as a public pension or allowance etc 
(c) Full vote otherwise.
For borderline cases, you could earn up to 20% &quot;credit&quot; by doing registered charity work.
(PS. I don&#039;t qualify for a full vote)

3.  Not allowed to comment on climate issues unless you can: 
(a) quote the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics;
(b) write down the (simplified) chemical equations for photosynthesis and aerobic respiration  (e.g. Carbon Dioxide + Water =    ......    )
(c)  quote the dates of the Viking settlements in Greenland (plus/minus 100 years)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about: </p>
<p>1.  Requiring would-be voters to pass a quiz before being allowed to cast a vote.<br />
Sample questions:<br />
 &#8220;Is this a Federal or State election ?&#8221; &#8220;Which electorate do you live in ?&#8221;<br />
plus 8 questions from the Citizenship booklet.<br />
Pass mark set at a generous 30%.</p>
<p>2.  Overturning the &#8220;one person, one vote rule&#8221;; with the value of your vote depending upon your net contribution to the public purse;  e.g.<br />
(a) One-third of a vote if you obtain more than 80% of your income as a public pension or allowance;<br />
(b) Two-thirds of a vote if employed as a public servant or you obtain more than 20% of your income as a public pension or allowance etc<br />
(c) Full vote otherwise.<br />
For borderline cases, you could earn up to 20% &#8220;credit&#8221; by doing registered charity work.<br />
(PS. I don&#8217;t qualify for a full vote)</p>
<p>3.  Not allowed to comment on climate issues unless you can:<br />
(a) quote the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics;<br />
(b) write down the (simplified) chemical equations for photosynthesis and aerobic respiration  (e.g. Carbon Dioxide + Water =    &#8230;&#8230;    )<br />
(c)  quote the dates of the Viking settlements in Greenland (plus/minus 100 years)</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40265</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ideas Festivals have flourished precisely because ideas have become (so) undangerous and un-threatening that holders of radically different ones can be in the same room together. When things are at stake that isn’t really possible.&quot;

This is an outrageous comment when you think about it. Worthy of the Taliban.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Ideas Festivals have flourished precisely because ideas have become (so) undangerous and un-threatening that holders of radically different ones can be in the same room together. When things are at stake that isn’t really possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is an outrageous comment when you think about it. Worthy of the Taliban.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40261</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venise: I think it was a good try - and it would have worked if Guy had not chosen to ignore me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venise: I think it was a good try - and it would have worked if Guy had not chosen to ignore me.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40246</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillian: Bollocks. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillian: Bollocks. <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40232</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note that there has been no reply from Guy Rundle to my suggestion that he should write a positive article about Malcolm Turnbull. It seems that that idea is too dangerous. It would be preferable to contemplate political violence than to write something good about Malcolm Turnbull. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note that there has been no reply from Guy Rundle to my suggestion that he should write a positive article about Malcolm Turnbull. It seems that that idea is too dangerous. It would be preferable to contemplate political violence than to write something good about Malcolm Turnbull. <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40160</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IDEA: One last stand will not gain us too much time, but my dangerous idea, is to
START AN ATHEISTS POLITICAL PARTY.

Throughout Oz&#039;s short history we have been dominated by little men with a huge belief in religion. Let us reverse the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IDEA: One last stand will not gain us too much time, but my dangerous idea, is to<br />
START AN ATHEISTS POLITICAL PARTY.</p>
<p>Throughout Oz&#8217;s short history we have been dominated by little men with a huge belief in religion. Let us reverse the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40151</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FRANK: Last night on Chanel Two there was an excellent doco on Athens during the democratic years. They made the point that  man is born with the seeds of his own destruction. Which, is so achingly true.

Their demise was also due to too much involvement with religion, as will be our own civilization. For every forward and logical, progressive and advanced idea contributing to our civilization, there are a hundred thousand weak-minded clowns hiding in the shadows, relentlessly reproducing their own failure.

It is enough to look at the mess which is America to see the fatality of religion.
Of course euthanasia must become legal. To condemn countless people to live in pain, agony, terror and vegetable-like state, could only be the product of a man-made God. Not to mention the power which comes from having created Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FRANK: Last night on Chanel Two there was an excellent doco on Athens during the democratic years. They made the point that  man is born with the seeds of his own destruction. Which, is so achingly true.</p>
<p>Their demise was also due to too much involvement with religion, as will be our own civilization. For every forward and logical, progressive and advanced idea contributing to our civilization, there are a hundred thousand weak-minded clowns hiding in the shadows, relentlessly reproducing their own failure.</p>
<p>It is enough to look at the mess which is America to see the fatality of religion.<br />
Of course euthanasia must become legal. To condemn countless people to live in pain, agony, terror and vegetable-like state, could only be the product of a man-made God. Not to mention the power which comes from having created Him.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40141</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BULLMORE&#039;S GHOST: Am in total agreement with you, as I think my previous comment proves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BULLMORE&#8217;S GHOST: Am in total agreement with you, as I think my previous comment proves.</p>
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		<title>By: Heathdon McGregor</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40114</link>
		<dc:creator>Heathdon McGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bullymore&#039;s ghost

&quot;And my primary concern is the welfare of this country. What other countries think of us is secondary to that.&quot;

I agree wholeheartedly, I am sick of policy appearing to be made on what others will think of us(or how bad the press will be)and not what is best for the citizens of this country. All citizens of this country no matter what race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bullymore&#8217;s ghost</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>And my primary concern is the welfare of this country. What other countries think of us is secondary to that.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly, I am sick of policy appearing to be made on what others will think of us(or how bad the press will be)and not what is best for the citizens of this country. All citizens of this country no matter what race.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40107</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Euthanasia should not be illegal based on religious rules and prohibitions despite the blurb spouted by some that it could not be controlled.  We have laws for many things I find it hard to believe that rational guidelines could not be set up to monitor and control euthanasia.  I find it offensive when I am told that palliative care has improved so much and the thought of offing myself is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Euthanasia should not be illegal based on religious rules and prohibitions despite the blurb spouted by some that it could not be controlled.  We have laws for many things I find it hard to believe that rational guidelines could not be set up to monitor and control euthanasia.  I find it offensive when I am told that palliative care has improved so much and the thought of offing myself is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40106</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dangerous idea. Educating people to think and by so doing avoid all the high-minded nitwitism involved by do-gooders who are against the idea of restricting our immigration program, because-wait for it......We will be seen in the eyes of the world to be discriminating on the basis of race.

If all the religious clod-hoppers had done something sensible such as restraining the amount of children being born, we wouldn&#039;t be in this mess. Secondly, WTF does the opinion of the rest of the world matter? Thirdly WTF has race got to do with chronic over-population?

Finally: The rest of the world is desperate to get here and there is nothing we can do. The world has almost run out of space and we are the bunnies who are meant to allow it all to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dangerous idea. Educating people to think and by so doing avoid all the high-minded nitwitism involved by do-gooders who are against the idea of restricting our immigration program, because-wait for it&#8230;&#8230;We will be seen in the eyes of the world to be discriminating on the basis of race.</p>
<p>If all the religious clod-hoppers had done something sensible such as restraining the amount of children being born, we wouldn&#8217;t be in this mess. Secondly, WTF does the opinion of the rest of the world matter? Thirdly WTF has race got to do with chronic over-population?</p>
<p>Finally: The rest of the world is desperate to get here and there is nothing we can do. The world has almost run out of space and we are the bunnies who are meant to allow it all to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bullmore&#039;s Ghost
Posted Wednesday, 7 October 2009 at 12:31 am &#124; Permalink
Here’s a very dangerous idea: Hold a referendum on Immigration Policy.
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Not dangerous at all -- it&#039;s happening in the media already.  Chris Evans is looking increasingly like the hollow man with rhetoric about the importance of immigration while unemployment is soarng, and continuing to boost immigration while saying he is cutting it.  There&#039;s a series of 3 articles on this in Crikey right now (3rd one tomorrow).  Bob Birrell and Bob Kinnaird are whistle blowers in this area.

But maybe democratic referenda are dangerous and deadly ideas -- imagine asking the stupid, uninformed public what&#039;s good for them, when most countries prefer to operate as fascist states -- fascist meaning &#039;bundle&#039; in the original sense -- of big business in collusion with government calling all the shots.  I don&#039;t remember a public referendum on invading Iraq or Afghanistan either.  Or a host of other important topics.  Power in the wrong hands -- i.e. the public&#039;s -- in a truly democratic society would be too dangerous a thing to countenance. Just ask Sir Humphrey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bullmore&#8217;s Ghost<br />
Posted Wednesday, 7 October 2009 at 12:31 am | Permalink<br />
Here’s a very dangerous idea: Hold a referendum on Immigration Policy.<br />
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Not dangerous at all&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;it&#8217;s happening in the media already.  Chris Evans is looking increasingly like the hollow man with rhetoric about the importance of immigration while unemployment is soarng, and continuing to boost immigration while saying he is cutting it.  There&#8217;s a series of 3 articles on this in Crikey right now (3rd one tomorrow).  Bob Birrell and Bob Kinnaird are whistle blowers in this area.</p>
<p>But maybe democratic referenda are dangerous and deadly ideas&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;imagine asking the stupid, uninformed public what&#8217;s good for them, when most countries prefer to operate as fascist states&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;fascist meaning &#8216;bundle&#8217; in the original sense&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;of big business in collusion with government calling all the shots.  I don&#8217;t remember a public referendum on invading Iraq or Afghanistan either.  Or a host of other important topics.  Power in the wrong hands&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;i.e. the public&#8217;s&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;in a truly democratic society would be too dangerous a thing to countenance. Just ask Sir Humphrey.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;•Australian aborigines have a right to resort to the aforementioned political violence, given the continued and embedded racism embedded in health-care, opportunity and policing.&lt;/i&gt;

They already do -- why do you think they end up being policed so much?  Tensions in the regions are running high with towns in lockdown at night, places like Redfern are effectively no-go zones at night and adjacent areas suffer from a lot of muggings and property crime.  The traditional rite of passage has actually become a first stint in jail, it proves you are a &#039;man&#039; and just to prove it you meet up with others more experienced males on the inside after the rite is over.  Notions of property ownership are completely different from industrialised Western societies, but I think a lot of the &#039;crime&#039; taking place is really having a slap at the white man.  Australia is kind of a South Africa writ small, in a constant state of tension and guerilla warfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>•Australian aborigines have a right to resort to the aforementioned political violence, given the continued and embedded racism embedded in health-care, opportunity and policing.</i></p>
<p>They already do&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;why do you think they end up being policed so much?  Tensions in the regions are running high with towns in lockdown at night, places like Redfern are effectively no-go zones at night and adjacent areas suffer from a lot of muggings and property crime.  The traditional rite of passage has actually become a first stint in jail, it proves you are a &#8216;man&#8217; and just to prove it you meet up with others more experienced males on the inside after the rite is over.  Notions of property ownership are completely different from industrialised Western societies, but I think a lot of the &#8216;crime&#8217; taking place is really having a slap at the white man.  Australia is kind of a South Africa writ small, in a constant state of tension and guerilla warfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Bullmore's Ghost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullmore's Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That assumes that the policy question is simply &quot;Immigration: YES or NO?&quot;. Not really helpful.

And my primary concern is the welfare of this country. What other countries think of us is secondary to that.

What I would really like is informed debate on policy settings and a thorough airing of the extent of backdoor immigration that is occurring via the student visa system. I recently heard an estimate of some 500,00o such visa holders in this country. How many of those will elect for permanent residency and what does that say about the &quot;official&quot; immigration numbers set each year -- that is, the one that the electorate hears about.

I&#039;m not against immigration; sensible immigration is vital to Australia&#039;s future. But I am against immigration by stealth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That assumes that the policy question is simply &#8220;Immigration: YES or NO?&#8221;. Not really helpful.</p>
<p>And my primary concern is the welfare of this country. What other countries think of us is secondary to that.</p>
<p>What I would really like is informed debate on policy settings and a thorough airing of the extent of backdoor immigration that is occurring via the student visa system. I recently heard an estimate of some 500,00o such visa holders in this country. How many of those will elect for permanent residency and what does that say about the &#8220;official&#8221; immigration numbers set each year&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;that is, the one that the electorate hears about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against immigration; sensible immigration is vital to Australia&#8217;s future. But I am against immigration by stealth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Mr Packer, I definitely agree that would be a dangerous idea. I wouldn&#039;t recommend it because if the result were no further immigration, it would damage our standing in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Mr Packer, I definitely agree that would be a dangerous idea. I wouldn&#8217;t recommend it because if the result were no further immigration, it would damage our standing in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Bullmore's Ghost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullmore's Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a very dangerous idea: Hold a referendum on Immigration Policy.</description>
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		<title>By: Victoria Collins</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40085</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillian Blackall, tues 7.35pm,
                                                   Yes, it&#039;s strange when men bring up the subjugation of women as a humorous aside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillian Blackall, tues 7.35pm,<br />
                                                   Yes, it&#8217;s strange when men bring up the subjugation of women as a humorous aside.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/rundle-you-want-dangerous-ideas-these-are-dangerous-ideas/#comment-40080</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AR, I&#039;m guessing you were referring to Catallaxy? 

I am awaiting a response from Guy when he is next online. Come on Guy. Give those of us who are not left-wing revolutionaries a reason to continue to subscribe to Crikey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR, I&#8217;m guessing you were referring to Catallaxy? </p>
<p>I am awaiting a response from Guy when he is next online. Come on Guy. Give those of us who are not left-wing revolutionaries a reason to continue to subscribe to Crikey.</p>
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