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	<title>Comments on: NSW the epicentre of our housing crisis</title>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/nsw-the-epicentre-of-our-housing-crisis/#comment-40121</link>
		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting article - but the strong defence of Sartor really raises my hackles. Many residents in Sydney are happy for development (ie any of us who would like to one day actually be able to afford a house/unit in the inner city) but were opposed to Sartor&#039;s dodgy deals. Not just glaring events like the Catherine Hill Bay fiasco (and however much you may want to defend him I think the jury is pretty much in on his behaviour there) but also things like the Carlton United Brewery development. Sydney City Council had negotiated a fair floor space ratio and also clauses such as that the company had to contribute the the local community and the developers had actually agreed to the deal - everyone was basically happy until Sartor used his dodgy call-in powers to allow a more densly packed development that gave less back to the community. Oh, and lets not forget that he also gave them no obligation to complete the development on time or to do anything at all with the space. So now we have half of chippendale as a big whole in the ground and the surrounding area infested with rats that have fled the development but no-one is under any obligation to do anything about. Its hardly Nimby-ism to be pissed off at Sartor for that one.

Also, lets not forget his behaviour with the development of the Block, where the Aboriginal Housing Corporation was allowed to put half as many Aboriginal people in the space as the other companies were allowed white people.

I could go on - the point is it is simply ridiculous to claim that Sydney-siders&#039; dislike of Sartor is not based on his bad decisions and dodgy dealings and instead based on their bias and nimby-ism... Although, if you came and spent time in my rat infested Darlington backyard for a week I imagine you would be saying &quot;not in my backyard&quot; as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article - but the strong defence of Sartor really raises my hackles. Many residents in Sydney are happy for development (ie any of us who would like to one day actually be able to afford a house/unit in the inner city) but were opposed to Sartor&#8217;s dodgy deals. Not just glaring events like the Catherine Hill Bay fiasco (and however much you may want to defend him I think the jury is pretty much in on his behaviour there) but also things like the Carlton United Brewery development. Sydney City Council had negotiated a fair floor space ratio and also clauses such as that the company had to contribute the the local community and the developers had actually agreed to the deal - everyone was basically happy until Sartor used his dodgy call-in powers to allow a more densly packed development that gave less back to the community. Oh, and lets not forget that he also gave them no obligation to complete the development on time or to do anything at all with the space. So now we have half of chippendale as a big whole in the ground and the surrounding area infested with rats that have fled the development but no-one is under any obligation to do anything about. Its hardly Nimby-ism to be pissed off at Sartor for that one.</p>
<p>Also, lets not forget his behaviour with the development of the Block, where the Aboriginal Housing Corporation was allowed to put half as many Aboriginal people in the space as the other companies were allowed white people.</p>
<p>I could go on - the point is it is simply ridiculous to claim that Sydney-siders&#8217; dislike of Sartor is not based on his bad decisions and dodgy dealings and instead based on their bias and nimby-ism&#8230; Although, if you came and spent time in my rat infested Darlington backyard for a week I imagine you would be saying &#8220;not in my backyard&#8221; as well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: banginon</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/nsw-the-epicentre-of-our-housing-crisis/#comment-40092</link>
		<dc:creator>banginon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intensification is at the heart of what makes cities interesting places to live. Manhattan did not attain its iconic status by insisting on restricting densities. Increased densities have the potential to make our cities more exciting. 

Instead of fighting it we should ensure that real estate developments meet the highest environmental and aesthetic standards and the infrastructure is upgraded to the point where, for example, people no longer feel compelled to own a car but only need to hire one occasionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intensification is at the heart of what makes cities interesting places to live. Manhattan did not attain its iconic status by insisting on restricting densities. Increased densities have the potential to make our cities more exciting. </p>
<p>Instead of fighting it we should ensure that real estate developments meet the highest environmental and aesthetic standards and the infrastructure is upgraded to the point where, for example, people no longer feel compelled to own a car but only need to hire one occasionally.</p>
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		<title>By: jossy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/nsw-the-epicentre-of-our-housing-crisis/#comment-40082</link>
		<dc:creator>jossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always think it&#039;s interesting that whenever the need for higher density in housing in places like those leafy north shore suburbs, no body ever mentions that for all the economists arguing that population growth and high immigration is the panacea of all ills, the reality on the ground for most people is lowered standards of living as urban space is squeezed, water rationing becomes necessary, traffic levels reach gridlock etc etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always think it&#8217;s interesting that whenever the need for higher density in housing in places like those leafy north shore suburbs, no body ever mentions that for all the economists arguing that population growth and high immigration is the panacea of all ills, the reality on the ground for most people is lowered standards of living as urban space is squeezed, water rationing becomes necessary, traffic levels reach gridlock etc etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/nsw-the-epicentre-of-our-housing-crisis/#comment-40036</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This East versus West sledging within Sydney is so phoney. The fact is the East is highly dense and intensified and stressful in it&#039;s own way to live in. Why should they have even more intensification? How much is enough? Sure they are richer and maybe even snobs often, though tell that to the public housing in Waterloo, Woolloomoloo, Randwick, Rose/Diamond Bay or Maroubra. 

Fact is people in the East want some breathing space just like Westies want a backyard. 

The reason it&#039;s a phoney argument is Sydney is full. Sure there is a bit of extra capacity in re birthing of old industrial, and air space rights over heavy rail nodes and renovations. But the trajectory downward in the graph is probably as much to do with saturation and infrastructure capacity constraints.

The scenario you are getting here is a nationwide version of what Sydney likes to do to Bondi. All access little responsibility. Everyone&#039;s playground but ratepayers pay the lion&#039;s share of upkeep.

Similarly the country wants/likes Sydney as a global gateway. It likes Sydney doing all the multicultural induction work and stresses and strains of that. It&#039;s happy to have 4 million people copping chronic air pollution 300 days a year. And they like to visit often enough. 

But no way do they want to take the immigration load, or give up their extra GST subsidies from the largest population centre. Frankly it&#039;s not just Green Party voters who are noticing the racket going on whereby certain rich folks (yes developers and mall owners) and their politician mates, all have holiday homes in Bowral and the Hunter a long way from Sydney while the rest are being crushed by their mortgage in the metropolis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This East versus West sledging within Sydney is so phoney. The fact is the East is highly dense and intensified and stressful in it&#8217;s own way to live in. Why should they have even more intensification? How much is enough? Sure they are richer and maybe even snobs often, though tell that to the public housing in Waterloo, Woolloomoloo, Randwick, Rose/Diamond Bay or Maroubra. </p>
<p>Fact is people in the East want some breathing space just like Westies want a backyard. </p>
<p>The reason it&#8217;s a phoney argument is Sydney is full. Sure there is a bit of extra capacity in re birthing of old industrial, and air space rights over heavy rail nodes and renovations. But the trajectory downward in the graph is probably as much to do with saturation and infrastructure capacity constraints.</p>
<p>The scenario you are getting here is a nationwide version of what Sydney likes to do to Bondi. All access little responsibility. Everyone&#8217;s playground but ratepayers pay the lion&#8217;s share of upkeep.</p>
<p>Similarly the country wants/likes Sydney as a global gateway. It likes Sydney doing all the multicultural induction work and stresses and strains of that. It&#8217;s happy to have 4 million people copping chronic air pollution 300 days a year. And they like to visit often enough. </p>
<p>But no way do they want to take the immigration load, or give up their extra GST subsidies from the largest population centre. Frankly it&#8217;s not just Green Party voters who are noticing the racket going on whereby certain rich folks (yes developers and mall owners) and their politician mates, all have holiday homes in Bowral and the Hunter a long way from Sydney while the rest are being crushed by their mortgage in the metropolis.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/nsw-the-epicentre-of-our-housing-crisis/#comment-39972</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really is worth asking those “green voters” who Bernard says will welcome a contraction in economic growth, exactly whose “growth” they see as being contracted. It is most certainly not their own. In particular, the growth in the asset value of their real estate.

In the inner west of Sydney, where the Greens run the local council of Leichhardt, much to the delight of the Sydney Morning Herald, all development is regarded as inherently evil and refused as a matter of routine. Of course that means people are forced to live way out west, where their carbon footprint is far worse for our planet. But at least they’re not damaging anyone’s views, or taking valuable parking spaces. And of course refusing developments and restricting supply force existing property prices ever higher.

Nothing could be worse for a green voter than someone building anything anywhere near them. Especially on waterfront real estate. That, apparently is the will of Gaia.

And thank you Bernard, for explaining everything so succinctly. It’s why I just renewed my subscription to Crikey. I have buying and reading the Herald for 30 years and have never had it explained to me why the city they report on and are supposed to understand, is so stuffed. They’re part of the problem. I think now can now finally, break the habit of a lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is worth asking those “green voters” who Bernard says will welcome a contraction in economic growth, exactly whose “growth” they see as being contracted. It is most certainly not their own. In particular, the growth in the asset value of their real estate.</p>
<p>In the inner west of Sydney, where the Greens run the local council of Leichhardt, much to the delight of the Sydney Morning Herald, all development is regarded as inherently evil and refused as a matter of routine. Of course that means people are forced to live way out west, where their carbon footprint is far worse for our planet. But at least they’re not damaging anyone’s views, or taking valuable parking spaces. And of course refusing developments and restricting supply force existing property prices ever higher.</p>
<p>Nothing could be worse for a green voter than someone building anything anywhere near them. Especially on waterfront real estate. That, apparently is the will of Gaia.</p>
<p>And thank you Bernard, for explaining everything so succinctly. It’s why I just renewed my subscription to Crikey. I have buying and reading the Herald for 30 years and have never had it explained to me why the city they report on and are supposed to understand, is so stuffed. They’re part of the problem. I think now can now finally, break the habit of a lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Altakoi</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/06/nsw-the-epicentre-of-our-housing-crisis/#comment-39951</link>
		<dc:creator>Altakoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m tempted to point out one solution - don&#039;t live in NSW and, specifically, don&#039;t live in Sydney. If the point of this analysis is that people in inner suburbs should continue to rent seek on valuable property while everyone else moves to ever expanding burbs then, frankly, just move out. Sydney is a train wreck - ironically enough given the lack of moving trains - because suburbs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m tempted to point out one solution - don&#8217;t live in NSW and, specifically, don&#8217;t live in Sydney. If the point of this analysis is that people in inner suburbs should continue to rent seek on valuable property while everyone else moves to ever expanding burbs then, frankly, just move out. Sydney is a train wreck - ironically enough given the lack of moving trains - because suburbs</p>
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