Comments on: Rudd will go to the polls on August 21, 2010. Here’s why http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:22:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: bakerboy http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/#comment-39375 bakerboy Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:38:30 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/#comment-39375 I disagree with Malcolm (his prediction record isn't that good BTW) for one good reason. Rudd is the total political animal who is bent on destroying Turnbull and the Coalition's chances of government for a long time. Rudd wouldn't be too interested in the esoterics of the constitution in regards to elections but will seek the best political advantage to go for a DD. My prediction is, if the ETS legislation is not passed in November, a DD in March next year. Even if the ETS is passed in some form, Rudd and Swan would want to go before the next budget to avoid copping flak over the increasing fiscal deficit. Alex I disagree with Malcolm (his prediction record isn’t that good BTW) for one good reason. Rudd is the total political animal who is bent on destroying Turnbull and the Coalition’s chances of government for a long time. Rudd wouldn’t be too interested in the esoterics of the constitution in regards to elections but will seek the best political advantage to go for a DD. My prediction is, if the ETS legislation is not passed in November, a DD in March next year. Even if the ETS is passed in some form, Rudd and Swan would want to go before the next budget to avoid copping flak over the increasing fiscal deficit. Alex

]]> By: Liz45 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/#comment-39352 Liz45 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:36:39 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/#comment-39352 JIM Reiher "I think Fielding is hoping for a double dissolution of course. A much smaller quota to aim for with 12 senators being returned rather than 6. It is in his personal interest to work towards a DD." Yes, that could explain why he's voting against almost everything the govt puts to the Senate - only voting 'yes' when he sees that it will go through, as in the recent experience re asylum seekers paying back their 'board and lodgings' bill? I hope there is a DD. I'm getting sick of the obstructive attitudes in the Senate - pure bloody mindness in most cases, and then the Conservatives vote yes anyway, as the last thing they want is a DD - they'd get done hopefully, and serve them right. They think we're a bunch of stupid people by the comments they make, one springs to mind made by Ruddock, about appealing to the 'lowest common denominator' re us - the unwashed masses! What a jerk? JIM Reiher “I think Fielding is hoping for a double dissolution of course. A much smaller quota to aim for with 12 senators being returned rather than 6. It is in his personal interest to work towards a DD.” Yes, that could explain why he’s voting against almost everything the govt puts to the Senate - only voting ‘yes’ when he sees that it will go through, as in the recent experience re asylum seekers paying back their ‘board and lodgings’ bill?
I hope there is a DD. I’m getting sick of the obstructive attitudes in the Senate - pure bloody mindness in most cases, and then the Conservatives vote yes anyway, as the last thing they want is a DD - they’d get done hopefully, and serve them right. They think we’re a bunch of stupid people by the comments they make, one springs to mind made by Ruddock, about appealing to the ‘lowest common denominator’ re us - the unwashed masses! What a jerk?

]]> By: Jim Reiher http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/#comment-39317 Jim Reiher Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:48:08 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/#comment-39317 Choosing the half senate that stays for 6 years is a tricky question - I guess S282 was designed to help make it smooth, consistent and fair. Interstingly, things don't always work out smooth consistent or fair. I agree: Fielding should not be returned. If another Liberal gets in here in Victoria instead, you are right: no real change to the way business is being done most of the time. The conservative numbers remain the same. I think Fielding is hoping for a double dissolution of course. A much smaller quota to aim for with 12 senators being returned rather than 6. It is in his personal interest to work towards a DD. Choosing the half senate that stays for 6 years is a tricky question - I guess S282 was designed to help make it smooth, consistent and fair. Interstingly, things don’t always work out smooth consistent or fair.

I agree: Fielding should not be returned. If another Liberal gets in here in Victoria instead, you are right: no real change to the way business is being done most of the time. The conservative numbers remain the same.

I think Fielding is hoping for a double dissolution of course. A much smaller quota to aim for with 12 senators being returned rather than 6. It is in his personal interest to work towards a DD.

]]> By: Martin Shanahan http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/#comment-39312 Martin Shanahan Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:31:14 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/#comment-39312 I am note sure that the Senate is bound by S.282 - and it is certainly not bound by a vote of a preceding Senate requesting that it adhere to the provisions of S.282. Indeed the silliness of S.282 and Mr Mackerass' belief that is it somehow binding - well if it had such force there is no need to get a Senate to pass a motion saying it will follow the provisions of S.282. It is a lovely sham to warm the cockles of one's heart. The Constitution governs the actions of the Senate. I am note sure that the Senate is bound by S.282 - and it is certainly not bound by a vote of a preceding Senate requesting that it adhere to the provisions of S.282. Indeed the silliness of S.282 and Mr Mackerass’ belief that is it somehow binding - well if it had such force there is no need to get a Senate to pass a motion saying it will follow the provisions of S.282. It is a lovely sham to warm the cockles of one’s heart.

The Constitution governs the actions of the Senate.

]]> By: John Bennetts http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/#comment-39311 John Bennetts Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:30:35 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/#comment-39311 Why is the Senate not bound by Sec 282 of the Electoral Act? Why is the Senate not bound by Sec 282 of the Electoral Act?

]]> By: deccles http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/#comment-39307 deccles Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:15:41 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/30/rudd-will-go-to-the-polls-on-august-21-2010-heres-why/#comment-39307 The "I" in this article is Malcolm Mackerras in case you were wondering. The “I” in this article is Malcolm Mackerras in case you were wondering.

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