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	<title>Comments on: The results are in on the world&#8217;s first national youth climate vote</title>
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		<title>By: mtats</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/22/the-results-are-in-on-the-worlds-first-national-youth-climate-vote/#comment-38437</link>
		<dc:creator>mtats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unintentionally the funniest article of the day.  

Hint: I think the questions may be a touch self serving.

And that&#039;s not even taking into account what type of person would vote at these things.

Rock concert looked fun though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unintentionally the funniest article of the day.  </p>
<p>Hint: I think the questions may be a touch self serving.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s not even taking into account what type of person would vote at these things.</p>
<p>Rock concert looked fun though.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful work there Ms Rose. I remember going to a rally out front of Macquarie St and giving an impromptu speech maybe 10 years back. &#039;The youth are being betrayed by the boomers&#039; was the gist. You are so right and taking action to boot. Go sister go! I hope you make PM one day. Why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful work there Ms Rose. I remember going to a rally out front of Macquarie St and giving an impromptu speech maybe 10 years back. &#8216;The youth are being betrayed by the boomers&#8217; was the gist. You are so right and taking action to boot. Go sister go! I hope you make PM one day. Why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments everyone. We&#039;re pretty excited that over 37,000 young people voted (over 15,000 of these at local voting events) - it shows the youth climate movement is getting pretty huge. At the moment we&#039;re trying to organise a meeting with Kevin Rudd to present him with the results. If anyone can help, let me know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments everyone. We&#8217;re pretty excited that over 37,000 young people voted (over 15,000 of these at local voting events) - it shows the youth climate movement is getting pretty huge. At the moment we&#8217;re trying to organise a meeting with Kevin Rudd to present him with the results. If anyone can help, let me know!</p>
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		<title>By: Kelvin Groot Obbink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelvin Groot Obbink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally don&#039;t doubt that these are the consequences of little or no action but I agree with what Vincent said that this survey presents a huge bias to world 3 right off the bat with suggestive illustrations and careful wording.  Perhaps next time a more &quot;scientific&quot; approach could have been used.  However, I applaud you for your effort in creating more awareness and engaging people on such a large scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don&#8217;t doubt that these are the consequences of little or no action but I agree with what Vincent said that this survey presents a huge bias to world 3 right off the bat with suggestive illustrations and careful wording.  Perhaps next time a more &#8220;scientific&#8221; approach could have been used.  However, I applaud you for your effort in creating more awareness and engaging people on such a large scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent O'Donnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to be optimistic that humankind, collectively, can respond to this potential crisis. But...

Two decades ago at an international conference on economic and ecological sustainability at La Trobe University, I asked what the world would like like if the (then) total GDP of all nations was divided between the world&#039;s population with a maximum disparity in distribution of 2:1.

I got no answer but the question caused much discomfort among delegates from the third world, most apparently from the wealthiest 1% of their nation&#039;s citizens. It seemed that if my hypothetical question was actualised they, too, would enjoy a reduced life style.

All those we now entrust with planning for a future that may be shaped by a rapidly changing climate are in that 1% of world citizens. Deep down, I suspect, they believe that wealth will buy them exemption from change, insulation against the weather, protection from civil disorder. 

With Goldman Sach back at the executive bonus trough and the recently retired CEO of Qantas as shining examples of the altruism of the wealthy, I fear humankind cannot put aside self interest, hard enough and long enough, to achieve anything against any environmental change, near imperceptible in the short term, but destructive in the longer term.

Even here in south-eastern Australia we haven&#039;t dealt with the salinity that for generations has been destroying rich agricultural lands before our eyes.

And of course, if climate change is not anthropocentric but terrestrial, then we have a whole other strategies to consider  

Is it a time to think triage. What can we save, where, at what cost and for how many?

Now some will say I&#039;m too pessimistic, but only a sober appreciation of  the consequences of the wrong diagnosis and the wrong remedies will suffice now.

This study is interesting but flawed in methodology.  The alarmist language, especially of worlds one and two easily lead the respondent to world three.  What is truly fascinating, however is that anyone voted for the first two options. I suspect that this simply confirms that 8.5% of young Australians aged 12-29 are functionally illiterate.

However, world action on chloro fluro carbons a decade ago, and malaria a decade before, does hold out some hope, but an awfully large number of profligate voters in the democratic developed world are going to have to take a BIG cut in lifestyle, in equity to the second and third world, and in preservation of the first. 

A big ask with election every three years and no sign that politicians are less opportunistic than before.

And... PS.  World three seems to mark the extinction of the difference between &#039;less&#039; and &#039;fewer&#039;. Sad really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to be optimistic that humankind, collectively, can respond to this potential crisis. But&#8230;</p>
<p>Two decades ago at an international conference on economic and ecological sustainability at La Trobe University, I asked what the world would like like if the (then) total GDP of all nations was divided between the world&#8217;s population with a maximum disparity in distribution of 2:1.</p>
<p>I got no answer but the question caused much discomfort among delegates from the third world, most apparently from the wealthiest 1% of their nation&#8217;s citizens. It seemed that if my hypothetical question was actualised they, too, would enjoy a reduced life style.</p>
<p>All those we now entrust with planning for a future that may be shaped by a rapidly changing climate are in that 1% of world citizens. Deep down, I suspect, they believe that wealth will buy them exemption from change, insulation against the weather, protection from civil disorder. </p>
<p>With Goldman Sach back at the executive bonus trough and the recently retired CEO of Qantas as shining examples of the altruism of the wealthy, I fear humankind cannot put aside self interest, hard enough and long enough, to achieve anything against any environmental change, near imperceptible in the short term, but destructive in the longer term.</p>
<p>Even here in south-eastern Australia we haven&#8217;t dealt with the salinity that for generations has been destroying rich agricultural lands before our eyes.</p>
<p>And of course, if climate change is not anthropocentric but terrestrial, then we have a whole other strategies to consider  </p>
<p>Is it a time to think triage. What can we save, where, at what cost and for how many?</p>
<p>Now some will say I&#8217;m too pessimistic, but only a sober appreciation of  the consequences of the wrong diagnosis and the wrong remedies will suffice now.</p>
<p>This study is interesting but flawed in methodology.  The alarmist language, especially of worlds one and two easily lead the respondent to world three.  What is truly fascinating, however is that anyone voted for the first two options. I suspect that this simply confirms that 8.5% of young Australians aged 12-29 are functionally illiterate.</p>
<p>However, world action on chloro fluro carbons a decade ago, and malaria a decade before, does hold out some hope, but an awfully large number of profligate voters in the democratic developed world are going to have to take a BIG cut in lifestyle, in equity to the second and third world, and in preservation of the first. </p>
<p>A big ask with election every three years and no sign that politicians are less opportunistic than before.</p>
<p>And&#8230; PS.  World three seems to mark the extinction of the difference between &#8216;less&#8217; and &#8216;fewer&#8217;. Sad really.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/22/the-results-are-in-on-the-worlds-first-national-youth-climate-vote/#comment-38313</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you&#039;re right about the level of support amongst youth for 40%+ reductions. But then again I&#039;m 50 and everyone I know, regardless of age, supports deep cuts when the consequences are explained. 
The large sections of the mainstream media at the beheast of vested interests are continually mudding the water with half stories and flaky surveys. Go Crikey you good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;re right about the level of support amongst youth for 40%+ reductions. But then again I&#8217;m 50 and everyone I know, regardless of age, supports deep cuts when the consequences are explained.<br />
The large sections of the mainstream media at the beheast of vested interests are continually mudding the water with half stories and flaky surveys. Go Crikey you good thing.</p>
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