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		<title>By: evidently</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/07/g20-swan-and-so-called-puffed-up-punditry/#comment-36794</link>
		<dc:creator>evidently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernard! 

You are right, you say it here and it then it comes out there... (7.30 report last night) Another one of Uhlmanns oh so clever news-raps

CHRIS UHLMANN: While the rest of the world still picks its way through a wasteland of dire economic statistics, Australia&#039;s the only country in the developed world consistently showing signs of life, which means Kevin Rudd&#039;s on the easy side of the macroeconomic argument.

His billions in stimulus equals growth, it&#039;s too early to pull out and any questioning of it is branded as reckless.

KEVIN RUDD: Whether it&#039;s on the economy or other matters of public policy, what we see is a Liberal Party increasingly opportunist, out of touch, short term; but I&#039;ve gotta say: on the question of economic strategy, fundamentally lacking in judgment.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Of course, there are lots of questions to be asked about how billions of taxpayer dollars are being spent and most of them are down in the weeds of delivery, particularly the $16 billion being spent on the school building program.

CHRISTOPHER PYNE, OPPOSITION SPOKEMAN: Why has it taken six months and potentially billions of dollars of unnecessary waste for the Government to pay lip service to the concept of value for money?

STUART ROBERT, LIBERAL BACKBENCHER: I refer the minister to the Evesham State School in the Labor electorate of Flynn, which last week received a grant of $250,000 to build a new library for its one enrolled student. Is this the minister&#039;s idea of value for money?

JULIA GILLARD, EDUCATION MINISTER: I presume that he is opposed to the 32 schools in his electorate benefiting from 104 projects and receiving more than $77 million of funds under &#039;Building the Education Revolution&#039;?

CHRIS UHLMANN: The response to individual cases of waste seems to be, &quot;Never mind the quality, feel the width&quot;.

... if I am not mistaken there is a fatuous inuendo that we are having &quot;it&quot; done to us eg. &quot; too early to pullout&quot; and &quot;feel the width&quot; 

anyway you have opened my eyes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernard! </p>
<p>You are right, you say it here and it then it comes out there&#8230; (7.30 report last night) Another one of Uhlmanns oh so clever news-raps</p>
<p>CHRIS UHLMANN: While the rest of the world still picks its way through a wasteland of dire economic statistics, Australia&#8217;s the only country in the developed world consistently showing signs of life, which means Kevin Rudd&#8217;s on the easy side of the macroeconomic argument.</p>
<p>His billions in stimulus equals growth, it&#8217;s too early to pull out and any questioning of it is branded as reckless.</p>
<p>KEVIN RUDD: Whether it&#8217;s on the economy or other matters of public policy, what we see is a Liberal Party increasingly opportunist, out of touch, short term; but I&#8217;ve gotta say: on the question of economic strategy, fundamentally lacking in judgment.</p>
<p>CHRIS UHLMANN: Of course, there are lots of questions to be asked about how billions of taxpayer dollars are being spent and most of them are down in the weeds of delivery, particularly the $16 billion being spent on the school building program.</p>
<p>CHRISTOPHER PYNE, OPPOSITION SPOKEMAN: Why has it taken six months and potentially billions of dollars of unnecessary waste for the Government to pay lip service to the concept of value for money?</p>
<p>STUART ROBERT, LIBERAL BACKBENCHER: I refer the minister to the Evesham State School in the Labor electorate of Flynn, which last week received a grant of $250,000 to build a new library for its one enrolled student. Is this the minister&#8217;s idea of value for money?</p>
<p>JULIA GILLARD, EDUCATION MINISTER: I presume that he is opposed to the 32 schools in his electorate benefiting from 104 projects and receiving more than $77 million of funds under &#8216;Building the Education Revolution&#8217;?</p>
<p>CHRIS UHLMANN: The response to individual cases of waste seems to be, &#8220;Never mind the quality, feel the width&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8230; if I am not mistaken there is a fatuous inuendo that we are having &#8220;it&#8221; done to us eg. &#8221; too early to pullout&#8221; and &#8220;feel the width&#8221; </p>
<p>anyway you have opened my eyes</p>
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		<title>By: Syd Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/07/g20-swan-and-so-called-puffed-up-punditry/#comment-36784</link>
		<dc:creator>Syd Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &lt;a href=&quot;http://sydwalker.info/blog/2009/02/25/triple-a-humbug/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;agree&lt;/a&gt; with your comments on the ratings agencies Bernard. 

If they escape this debacle entirely unscathed, it will be an utter travesty. 

Whether their senior executives should be executed, as you advocate, is debatable. What shouldn&#039;t be up for debate - yet currently looks all too probable - is that they simply carry on as before, without blinking or missing a beat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <a href="http://sydwalker.info/blog/2009/02/25/triple-a-humbug/" rel="nofollow">agree</a> with your comments on the ratings agencies Bernard. </p>
<p>If they escape this debacle entirely unscathed, it will be an utter travesty. </p>
<p>Whether their senior executives should be executed, as you advocate, is debatable. What shouldn&#8217;t be up for debate - yet currently looks all too probable - is that they simply carry on as before, without blinking or missing a beat.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Keane</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/07/g20-swan-and-so-called-puffed-up-punditry/#comment-36780</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard Keane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victoria while I agree with most of what you say, I think this Govt is more 800lb gorilla than bunny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victoria while I agree with most of what you say, I think this Govt is more 800lb gorilla than bunny.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I am finding hard to handle is the hand-in-glove approach of the Opposition and News Ltd. papers. They are both running hard against the government of Kevin Rudd, often on spurious grounds. The Opposition itself is never subject to the same level of scrutiny though it should be. If the Opposition were still the Labor Party the focus on them, under similar circumstances, would be merciless from the media.
 Now we have the misleading &#039;Debt and Deficit&#039;, &#039;Waste and Mismanagement&#039;,  and &#039;Bungles&#039; lines thrown at us continually in a co-ordinated fashion from the media and the Opposition, without any basis in fact, and with no challenge from the rest of the media, except in the odd, out of the way piece here and there, but never on the front page.
In fact, a lot of the rest of the media take their daily cues from this co-ordinated campaign between News Ltd. and the Opposition, and thus amplify it way beyond its worth. You would have thought that others in the political journalism game would be hip to this jive, but they just seem to enjoy sticking pins in the Rudd government too.
I despair at this turn towards politics as blood sport with any ALP government as the bunny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I am finding hard to handle is the hand-in-glove approach of the Opposition and News Ltd. papers. They are both running hard against the government of Kevin Rudd, often on spurious grounds. The Opposition itself is never subject to the same level of scrutiny though it should be. If the Opposition were still the Labor Party the focus on them, under similar circumstances, would be merciless from the media.<br />
 Now we have the misleading &#8216;Debt and Deficit&#8217;, &#8216;Waste and Mismanagement&#8217;,  and &#8216;Bungles&#8217; lines thrown at us continually in a co-ordinated fashion from the media and the Opposition, without any basis in fact, and with no challenge from the rest of the media, except in the odd, out of the way piece here and there, but never on the front page.<br />
In fact, a lot of the rest of the media take their daily cues from this co-ordinated campaign between News Ltd. and the Opposition, and thus amplify it way beyond its worth. You would have thought that others in the political journalism game would be hip to this jive, but they just seem to enjoy sticking pins in the Rudd government too.<br />
I despair at this turn towards politics as blood sport with any ALP government as the bunny.</p>
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		<title>By: evidently</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/07/g20-swan-and-so-called-puffed-up-punditry/#comment-36754</link>
		<dc:creator>evidently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernard 
Thanks for your fresh perspective on something that I feel we have been aware of, but perhaps couldn&#039;t put voice to.

The idea that there are a couple of mobs marching forward, one responding to the beat and rhythm of the other, but in total denial that the beat exists or that they are following the same beat but improvising discordant carping sounds in an effort to drown out the beat.

It&#039;s like Turnbull&#039;s mob are arguing a criminal case that they are hoping to win on a marginal or technical issue. The baying and carping is endless from all points and from virtually all puffed up pundits as you point out. Even ABC&#039;s new political correspondent pursues the fatuous and puffy points like a court provided defence lawyer. Like Keating said about a silk from his own party &quot;just because you swallowed a f*cking dictionary when you were around 15 years old doesn&#039;t give you the right to pour a bucket of sh*t over the rest of us&quot;. Having the right or not, I still feel another bucketload coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernard<br />
Thanks for your fresh perspective on something that I feel we have been aware of, but perhaps couldn&#8217;t put voice to.</p>
<p>The idea that there are a couple of mobs marching forward, one responding to the beat and rhythm of the other, but in total denial that the beat exists or that they are following the same beat but improvising discordant carping sounds in an effort to drown out the beat.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like Turnbull&#8217;s mob are arguing a criminal case that they are hoping to win on a marginal or technical issue. The baying and carping is endless from all points and from virtually all puffed up pundits as you point out. Even ABC&#8217;s new political correspondent pursues the fatuous and puffy points like a court provided defence lawyer. Like Keating said about a silk from his own party &#8220;just because you swallowed a f*cking dictionary when you were around 15 years old doesn&#8217;t give you the right to pour a bucket of sh*t over the rest of us&#8221;. Having the right or not, I still feel another bucketload coming.</p>
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		<title>By: umberto</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/07/g20-swan-and-so-called-puffed-up-punditry/#comment-36746</link>
		<dc:creator>umberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 05:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only this country could export our parochialism. I&#039;m just waiting for Today Tonight/ACA treatment - Winners and losers from the G20 meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only this country could export our parochialism. I&#8217;m just waiting for Today Tonight/ACA treatment - Winners and losers from the G20 meeting.</p>
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		<title>By: John Bennetts</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/07/g20-swan-and-so-called-puffed-up-punditry/#comment-36735</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bennetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 05:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, Bernard - a good read.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, Bernard - a good read.  Thanks.</p>
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