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	<title>Comments on: A hornet&#8217;s nest in the garden at Lit Land</title>
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		<title>By: Rob Gerrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Gerrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 05:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The anthology is narrow in a its estimation of &quot;literature&quot; - there is not one story from the science fiction or fantasy genres, despite the excellence Australian writers have shown. 
Rob Gerrand
Editor
The Best Australian Science Fiction Writing: a Fifty Year Collection (Black, Inc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anthology is narrow in a its estimation of &#8220;literature&#8221; - there is not one story from the science fiction or fantasy genres, despite the excellence Australian writers have shown.<br />
Rob Gerrand<br />
Editor<br />
The Best Australian Science Fiction Writing: a Fifty Year Collection (Black, Inc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 05:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren’t the two sides at cross purposes? The lit-critturs vs the sociologists?

The sociologists want an anthology which is socially representative while the litcrits want to fire their canon. Litcrits love their canon. They polish and caress it and build careers on it. They are Fo dogs, literary lions guarding the National Temple of Excellence. No matter that it’s a district branch of a subtemple, it is their very own.

Each temple has a top dog, noisy and theatrical, with a big swinging lexicon. No point complaining to the council, Peter will still howl at the moon.

If the anthology purports to be both canon and sociology, the Faux dogs are right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren’t the two sides at cross purposes? The lit-critturs vs the sociologists?</p>
<p>The sociologists want an anthology which is socially representative while the litcrits want to fire their canon. Litcrits love their canon. They polish and caress it and build careers on it. They are Fo dogs, literary lions guarding the National Temple of Excellence. No matter that it’s a district branch of a subtemple, it is their very own.</p>
<p>Each temple has a top dog, noisy and theatrical, with a big swinging lexicon. No point complaining to the council, Peter will still howl at the moon.</p>
<p>If the anthology purports to be both canon and sociology, the Faux dogs are right.</p>
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		<title>By: meski</title>
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		<dc:creator>meski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 05:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He isn&#039;t being racist.  It would be rubbish no matter who wrote it.  In fact, making allowance for race when reviewing it is racist, in a patronizing way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He isn&#8217;t being racist.  It would be rubbish no matter who wrote it.  In fact, making allowance for race when reviewing it is racist, in a patronizing way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerryn Goldsworthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerryn Goldsworthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 04:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon Hughes appears to share Peter Craven&#039;s own quaintly old-fashioned views on hierarchies of literary value, something those who believe they are blessed with superior taste can identify apparently by instinct, which they likewise use to identify the &#039;second-rate&#039; and the &#039;frankly bad&#039;, and therefore see no need either to identify the criteria by which they judge, or to keep up with -- much less engage with -- the international literary debates of the last thirty or forty years. 

Hughes also seems unaware that Peter Craven&#039;s inadequate and sloppy review of  the Macquarie PEN Anthology of Australian Literature (or, more precisely, his review of the second  half of its Table of Contents pages) betrays a very incomplete knowledge of the history of said literature, particularly that produced before about 1955, whatever Craven or his apologists may think about his alleged expertise. 

Some of us, however, have more complex and less antiquated views on the subject of literature than either Craven or Hughes, hence the broad spectrum of the anthology. Hughes also appears to be using Sophie Cunningham&#039;s excellent piece merely as an excuse to fulminate on his own account about how awful and silly those ignorant, ideologically-driven editors must be. As one of them, I feel obliged to point out to him, regarding his closing remark, that &#039;inferring&#039; means &#039;deducing&#039;, not &#039;implying&#039;. To infer racism from a piece of writing is to deduce that it exists there, to which one can only reply &#039;quite&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon Hughes appears to share Peter Craven&#8217;s own quaintly old-fashioned views on hierarchies of literary value, something those who believe they are blessed with superior taste can identify apparently by instinct, which they likewise use to identify the &#8216;second-rate&#8217; and the &#8216;frankly bad&#8217;, and therefore see no need either to identify the criteria by which they judge, or to keep up with&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;much less engage with&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the international literary debates of the last thirty or forty years. </p>
<p>Hughes also seems unaware that Peter Craven&#8217;s inadequate and sloppy review of  the Macquarie PEN Anthology of Australian Literature (or, more precisely, his review of the second  half of its Table of Contents pages) betrays a very incomplete knowledge of the history of said literature, particularly that produced before about 1955, whatever Craven or his apologists may think about his alleged expertise. </p>
<p>Some of us, however, have more complex and less antiquated views on the subject of literature than either Craven or Hughes, hence the broad spectrum of the anthology. Hughes also appears to be using Sophie Cunningham&#8217;s excellent piece merely as an excuse to fulminate on his own account about how awful and silly those ignorant, ideologically-driven editors must be. As one of them, I feel obliged to point out to him, regarding his closing remark, that &#8216;inferring&#8217; means &#8216;deducing&#8217;, not &#8216;implying&#8217;. To infer racism from a piece of writing is to deduce that it exists there, to which one can only reply &#8216;quite&#8217;.</p>
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