Comments on: Court ruling: hope for detainees in the land of the free http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/07/court-ruling-new-hope-for-detainees-in-the-land-of-the-free/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:52:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Liz45 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/07/court-ruling-new-hope-for-detainees-in-the-land-of-the-free/#comment-36753 Liz45 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:25:16 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/07/court-ruling-new-hope-for-detainees-in-the-land-of-the-free/#comment-36753 There's a very good documentary that I originally saw via SBS a few years ago. It's called 'Unconstitutional - the US war on civil liberties'. It can be watched via www.freedocumentaries.org there's a list of interesting documentaries on this site, and this is one of them. It makes the point, that the US Constitution doesn't just mean "citizens" it says "No person" in its different pledges. It tells the horrific but true story of just one family's (originally from a middle eastern country) experiences, but then covers the whole topic - what was done and Ashcroft's role in it including his media releases and press conferences. It also documents the Civil Liberties Union, plus the role of local govt's and the struggle against the alleged abuses against the Constitution. It's an eye opener! I'm not surprised that someone is going to sue. The first of many I hope. Some of these people were removed from the US in the dead of night, without warning or time to notify other family members - they just disappeared! No arrests or charges or proof of any criminal behaviour? Appalling! It will be interesting to see if Bush and Cheney's names are mentioned? They're not above the Law either. If a president can be impeached for stains on a blue dress, Bush and Cheney should be impeached for this legislation plus the horrific tortures that took place - and still could be under Obama(even though he's publicly stated his opposition?) We'll see! It's the same type of abuse as the Bush Administration's horrific practice of "renditions" . It's been revealed, that the CIA used British airspace(among others) for the purpose of transporting detainees to detention centres(read torture jails) in Europe and other countries. Some countries have 'tried' CIA operatives in absentia (Italy) as leading government members (also tried)were complicit in citizens being kidnapped off the streets and locked up(finally in Guantanamo) and were innocent of any wrongdoing - some were held for several years. There was a well publicized case of a man from Canada! Of course, we all know of Mamdouh Habib's experiences - he was sent to Egypt? Howard and Downer denied any knowledge of his whereabouts at the time, but since then information has been confirmed, that not only was he sent to Egypt, but the Howard govt knew where he was and what was going on - he alleges he was tortured! I believe him! I don't believe Howard, Downer or Ruddock! They should go the way of Ashcroft! There’s a very good documentary that I originally saw via SBS a few years ago. It’s called ‘Unconstitutional - the US war on civil liberties’. It can be watched via http://www.freedocumentaries.org there’s a list of interesting documentaries on this site, and this is one of them. It makes the point, that the US Constitution doesn’t just mean “citizens” it says “No person” in its different pledges. It tells the horrific but true story of just one family’s (originally from a middle eastern country) experiences, but then covers the whole topic - what was done and Ashcroft’s role in it including his media releases and press conferences. It also documents the Civil Liberties Union, plus the role of local govt’s and the struggle against the alleged abuses against the Constitution. It’s an eye opener! I’m not surprised that someone is going to sue. The first of many I hope. Some of these people were removed from the US in the dead of night, without warning or time to notify other family members - they just disappeared! No arrests or charges or proof of any criminal behaviour? Appalling! It will be interesting to see if Bush and Cheney’s names are mentioned? They’re not above the Law either. If a president can be impeached for stains on a blue dress, Bush and Cheney should be impeached for this legislation plus the horrific tortures that took place - and still could be under Obama(even though he’s publicly stated his opposition?) We’ll see!

It’s the same type of abuse as the Bush Administration’s horrific practice of “renditions” . It’s been revealed, that the CIA used British airspace(among others) for the purpose of transporting detainees to detention centres(read torture jails) in Europe and other countries. Some countries have ‘tried’ CIA operatives in absentia (Italy) as leading government members (also tried)were complicit in citizens being kidnapped off the streets and locked up(finally in Guantanamo) and were innocent of any wrongdoing - some were held for several years. There was a well publicized case of a man from Canada! Of course, we all know of Mamdouh Habib’s experiences - he was sent to Egypt? Howard and Downer denied any knowledge of his whereabouts at the time, but since then information has been confirmed, that not only was he sent to Egypt, but the Howard govt knew where he was and what was going on - he alleges he was tortured! I believe him! I don’t believe Howard, Downer or Ruddock! They should go the way of Ashcroft!

]]> By: stephen martin http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/07/court-ruling-new-hope-for-detainees-in-the-land-of-the-free/#comment-36750 stephen martin Mon, 07 Sep 2009 05:56:27 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/07/court-ruling-new-hope-for-detainees-in-the-land-of-the-free/#comment-36750 You would have that after the treatment of the Nisei (Japanese Americans) during World War 2 that the US authorities would have progressed in their handling of their citizenry - apparently not! You would have that after the treatment of the Nisei (Japanese Americans) during World War 2 that the US authorities would have progressed in their handling of their citizenry - apparently not!

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