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	<title>Comments on: Bill of Rights: John Howard v Anthony Mason</title>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/27/bill-of-rights-john-howard-v-anthony-mason/#comment-35830</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>howard wtf ! Justification why our country needs a bill of rights? Howard&#039;s rightarded government left no doubt. A  bill of rights takes out of the rightard&quot;s armoury one of  its ugliest well used weapons. The manipulation of the ignorant by using their xenophobic fears and focusing them onto cultural, ethnic and religous minorities that have little voting power. To be a healthy democracy, minorities need legal protections from immoral governments like howard&#039;s, they will do anything to stay in power.   That&#039;s why the rightwing conservatives fear it, and how again,  it exposes them for the hyprocrites they are. A Bill of Rights: legal protection from rightardation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>howard wtf ! Justification why our country needs a bill of rights? Howard&#8217;s rightarded government left no doubt. A  bill of rights takes out of the rightard&#8221;s armoury one of  its ugliest well used weapons. The manipulation of the ignorant by using their xenophobic fears and focusing them onto cultural, ethnic and religous minorities that have little voting power. To be a healthy democracy, minorities need legal protections from immoral governments like howard&#8217;s, they will do anything to stay in power.   That&#8217;s why the rightwing conservatives fear it, and how again,  it exposes them for the hyprocrites they are. A Bill of Rights: legal protection from rightardation.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Holmes</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/27/bill-of-rights-john-howard-v-anthony-mason/#comment-35804</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on</description>
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		<title>By: skink</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/27/bill-of-rights-john-howard-v-anthony-mason/#comment-35800</link>
		<dc:creator>skink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz is on the money

the suspension of the Racial Discrimination Act as part of The Intervention is exactly the sort of &#039;democratic&#039; act by elected politicians that a Bill of Rights is supposed to protect us against</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz is on the money</p>
<p>the suspension of the Racial Discrimination Act as part of The Intervention is exactly the sort of &#8216;democratic&#8217; act by elected politicians that a Bill of Rights is supposed to protect us against</p>
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		<title>By: stephen martin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/27/bill-of-rights-john-howard-v-anthony-mason/#comment-35752</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Liz45 it encapsulates all that was rotten with John Howard and his sycophants, but at least what&#039;s left of our democracy was enough, not only to turf his crowd from office, but he also became only the second Prime Minister to lose his (what had been a safe) seat in Parliament.
He now has the hide to try to parade his purported wares as a &quot;statesman&quot; - he still doesn&#039;t get it does he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Liz45 it encapsulates all that was rotten with John Howard and his sycophants, but at least what&#8217;s left of our democracy was enough, not only to turf his crowd from office, but he also became only the second Prime Minister to lose his (what had been a safe) seat in Parliament.<br />
He now has the hide to try to parade his purported wares as a &#8220;statesman&#8221; - he still doesn&#8217;t get it does he?</p>
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		<title>By: Liz45</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/27/bill-of-rights-john-howard-v-anthony-mason/#comment-35742</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall the day when Howard knew that Barnaby Joyce had the last? Senate seat in the 2004 election, which meant that the Coalition had a majority. Ron Boswell told Howard via mobile phone, and it was aired on ABC TV. Boswell let slip the words &#039;open sl.....&#039; (yeah it&#039;s &#039;open slather now, or words to that effect) and he must&#039;ve been silenced by Howard, but it was plain to hear what he intended to say. I observed with great interest, that any time that segment was shown, that particular part was never shown again? Very telling!

Howard, of course went on to show a complete lack of interest in the &quot;prestige of parliament&quot; to quote his article in SMH today. He rammed the Worst Choices legislation through the Parliament using the gag and the guillotine; he abused human rights by removing the Anti-Racial Discrimination Act in order to invade the NT, and was the first PM to disallow debate prior to a decision being made to invade another country using those very people that he professes to be concerned about, those who elect their representatives - losing their rights? Obviously, killing and being killed doesn&#039;t qualify for his concern or sense of upholding democratic ideals, having any respect for those ordinary people who elect &quot;their representatives&quot;.

Howard also used his position, and the bigoted views of his government members to tread all over the democratic voting rights of the Territories, when he overturned both the Euthanasia legislation in the NT, and the rights for gay couples to marry in the ACT - so much for the fact, that the elected representatives they&#039;d voted for had the support of the majority of voters on both of these issues. Of course his actions re asylum seekers as mentioned by you Greg, were just appalling. How a person who purported to support and uphold &quot;traditional family values&quot; could jail women, kids, the elderly and those traumatized in their own countries, or driven medically mad by his horrific policies, could even have the temerity to preach democratic principles or human rights to the rest of us, just amazes me. His arrogance knows no bounds.

The same applies for accountability. Not only did he not think that we were owed any accountability as to his actions, he protected, if not encouraged his government Ministers and others to do the same. Having the numbers meant, that he could do as he pleased regardless. The AWB fiasco is a great example of the type of government he ran - at least 65 articles of a varied assortment of correspondence re govt ministers, employees etc is evidence of this disgraceful situation, but he bluffed his way through using his favourite &#039;tool&#039; - arrogance and having the numbers? Interesting, that nobody has even been charged as a result of the recommendations made by Justice Cole? Perhaps, those who may be charged would start to &#039;sing&#039; in order to defend their roles?

There&#039;s enough evidence available now, that points to the roles played by the three &#039;coalition of the willing&#039; participants, which also allegedly points to active knowledge and consent for actions in contravention of the Geneva Conventions, in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Howard, drunk on his relationship with the &#039;big boys&#039; didn&#039;t believe that he had to comply with the rules laid down by certain bodies, of which this country had been a signatory to. His so-called concern for human rights didn&#039;t extend to those who were illegally killed in wars, or were allegedly illegally detained, or were treated and tortured in contravention of the GC. (Abu Graib is but one example). Howard&#039;s view of democracy, decency and respect for our parliamentary bodies has little resemblance to mine, and I applaud the debate re a Bill of Rights for this country, that would be tough enough to counter another Howard, and his disgraceful brand of democracy and human rights!
Well said, Greg!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall the day when Howard knew that Barnaby Joyce had the last? Senate seat in the 2004 election, which meant that the Coalition had a majority. Ron Boswell told Howard via mobile phone, and it was aired on ABC TV. Boswell let slip the words &#8216;open sl&#8230;..&#8217; (yeah it&#8217;s &#8216;open slather now, or words to that effect) and he must&#8217;ve been silenced by Howard, but it was plain to hear what he intended to say. I observed with great interest, that any time that segment was shown, that particular part was never shown again? Very telling!</p>
<p>Howard, of course went on to show a complete lack of interest in the &#8220;prestige of parliament&#8221; to quote his article in SMH today. He rammed the Worst Choices legislation through the Parliament using the gag and the guillotine; he abused human rights by removing the Anti-Racial Discrimination Act in order to invade the NT, and was the first PM to disallow debate prior to a decision being made to invade another country using those very people that he professes to be concerned about, those who elect their representatives - losing their rights? Obviously, killing and being killed doesn&#8217;t qualify for his concern or sense of upholding democratic ideals, having any respect for those ordinary people who elect &#8220;their representatives&#8221;.</p>
<p>Howard also used his position, and the bigoted views of his government members to tread all over the democratic voting rights of the Territories, when he overturned both the Euthanasia legislation in the NT, and the rights for gay couples to marry in the ACT - so much for the fact, that the elected representatives they&#8217;d voted for had the support of the majority of voters on both of these issues. Of course his actions re asylum seekers as mentioned by you Greg, were just appalling. How a person who purported to support and uphold &#8220;traditional family values&#8221; could jail women, kids, the elderly and those traumatized in their own countries, or driven medically mad by his horrific policies, could even have the temerity to preach democratic principles or human rights to the rest of us, just amazes me. His arrogance knows no bounds.</p>
<p>The same applies for accountability. Not only did he not think that we were owed any accountability as to his actions, he protected, if not encouraged his government Ministers and others to do the same. Having the numbers meant, that he could do as he pleased regardless. The AWB fiasco is a great example of the type of government he ran - at least 65 articles of a varied assortment of correspondence re govt ministers, employees etc is evidence of this disgraceful situation, but he bluffed his way through using his favourite &#8216;tool&#8217; - arrogance and having the numbers? Interesting, that nobody has even been charged as a result of the recommendations made by Justice Cole? Perhaps, those who may be charged would start to &#8216;sing&#8217; in order to defend their roles?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s enough evidence available now, that points to the roles played by the three &#8216;coalition of the willing&#8217; participants, which also allegedly points to active knowledge and consent for actions in contravention of the Geneva Conventions, in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Howard, drunk on his relationship with the &#8216;big boys&#8217; didn&#8217;t believe that he had to comply with the rules laid down by certain bodies, of which this country had been a signatory to. His so-called concern for human rights didn&#8217;t extend to those who were illegally killed in wars, or were allegedly illegally detained, or were treated and tortured in contravention of the GC. (Abu Graib is but one example). Howard&#8217;s view of democracy, decency and respect for our parliamentary bodies has little resemblance to mine, and I applaud the debate re a Bill of Rights for this country, that would be tough enough to counter another Howard, and his disgraceful brand of democracy and human rights!<br />
Well said, Greg!</p>
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		<title>By: RaymondChurch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/27/bill-of-rights-john-howard-v-anthony-mason/#comment-35740</link>
		<dc:creator>RaymondChurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hear hear Gavin. I read the words of the disgraced former PM and nothing has changed, the old rat has learned nothing from his sacking in Bennelong and the Parliament. Now he trollops himself around the country, charging tens of thousands of dollars to spout the evil nonsense that had the electorate throw the used by date rodent out originally. (That should get the rat pack going).Howard had no regard for peoples rights when he led his boot swinging thugs for 12 years, now he expects his pathetic proposals to be embraced. Fat chance. The sooner this clown realises he is a yesterdays person and only those libs, praying for a return to his days of division and greed are interested in the rubbish he talks. A few of them dwell here, at least some add points of debate. This topic is bound to be one of them.
As Greg Barnes points out, Howard has never come to grips with domocracy. His version was an according to Howard variety, as was most of his 12 years in power. Nov 2007 was the time the electorate said enough is enough of him and his Coalition mates. Nothing has changed since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hear hear Gavin. I read the words of the disgraced former PM and nothing has changed, the old rat has learned nothing from his sacking in Bennelong and the Parliament. Now he trollops himself around the country, charging tens of thousands of dollars to spout the evil nonsense that had the electorate throw the used by date rodent out originally. (That should get the rat pack going).Howard had no regard for peoples rights when he led his boot swinging thugs for 12 years, now he expects his pathetic proposals to be embraced. Fat chance. The sooner this clown realises he is a yesterdays person and only those libs, praying for a return to his days of division and greed are interested in the rubbish he talks. A few of them dwell here, at least some add points of debate. This topic is bound to be one of them.<br />
As Greg Barnes points out, Howard has never come to grips with domocracy. His version was an according to Howard variety, as was most of his 12 years in power. Nov 2007 was the time the electorate said enough is enough of him and his Coalition mates. Nothing has changed since.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen martin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/27/bill-of-rights-john-howard-v-anthony-mason/#comment-35737</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that John Howard is a typical citizen elected by ordinary Australians is ludicrous,- or any other politician for that matter. The selection of candidates for office seems to be the gift of the political party machine, and the voters are given the choice of Tweeduldum or Tweeduldee ,who will slavishly follow the party line in the Parliament. The two party (or 2 and 1/2 parties in the Senate plus odds and sods) system we have, although workable, is far from democratic and getting less so with time, as John Howard&#039;s style of government typifies.
These people need a powerful brake placed on their power grabs; fortunately we have the High Court but a Bill of Rights would do much to maintain what we have come to believe are our rights as Australian Citizens, such as freedom speech and assembly etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that John Howard is a typical citizen elected by ordinary Australians is ludicrous,- or any other politician for that matter. The selection of candidates for office seems to be the gift of the political party machine, and the voters are given the choice of Tweeduldum or Tweeduldee ,who will slavishly follow the party line in the Parliament. The two party (or 2 and 1/2 parties in the Senate plus odds and sods) system we have, although workable, is far from democratic and getting less so with time, as John Howard&#8217;s style of government typifies.<br />
These people need a powerful brake placed on their power grabs; fortunately we have the High Court but a Bill of Rights would do much to maintain what we have come to believe are our rights as Australian Citizens, such as freedom speech and assembly etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Moodie</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/27/bill-of-rights-john-howard-v-anthony-mason/#comment-35715</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Moodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard&#039;s argument also fails to acknowledge that a Bill of Rights would curb the excesses of the Executive and, if comprehensive, of the public service and of private bodies, which would be at least as important as curbing the excesses or Parliament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard&#8217;s argument also fails to acknowledge that a Bill of Rights would curb the excesses of the Executive and, if comprehensive, of the public service and of private bodies, which would be at least as important as curbing the excesses or Parliament.</p>
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