Also, your being a Catholic certainly does not mean you am not entitled to an educated and thought out opinion. But others of other faiths (or none) are equally entitled to an opinion that could be just as educated and thought out as yours.

My personal view is that whether or not the Victorian Legislation allowing late term abortion is ‘a symbol of our inhumanity’, I could point to many other practices involving living beings already born that are arguably even more inhumane. I don’t seem to hear anti-abortionists argue against battery-hen egg production, sows caged so that they cannot turn around during their whole pregnancy, or laboratory animals, including intelligent primates and cats, who are caged for life and have surgical procedures inflicted upon them. Those animals, unlike foetuses, are already-born sentient beings living an independent life yet they are treated like machines for our use. Their individual lives are not agonised over as I am sure that of nearly every aborted foetus is by both pro- and anti- abortion supporters.

Oh and John James - thank you for describing me and my fellow-travellers as ‘boof-heads’. Nice to know who your friends are.

My impression is that the anti-abortionist campaigners in the US are the same who gather outside the gaols cheering at the moment a prisoner is executed. Please could some anti-choice/abortion campaigner demonstrate that they have concern for ALL life not just that of unborn and often unformed humans.

As soon as I read Jim Wallace’s name I knew this was hardly going to be a surprising article. Though I’m impressed he left the words ‘God’, ‘truth’, ‘Bible’ and ‘Christian’ out of it. Big step forward, Jim, but maybe you should just stick to preaching to the choir, so to speak.

And I’m pretty impressed Crikey published it. Kinda shows the ‘left’ as more tolerant of opposing views than the ‘right’, doesn’t it?

You’re a despot, who uses lies and foul language to pedal your ingrained bigoty against others. You can be as arrogant and autocratic, unsympathetic and dogmatic as you arrogantly wish, safe in the knowledge, that you’ll never be in a position to make a difficult decision such as this - but it makes you an expert on the subject - obviously!

MEDICARE - the item number on medicare for a termination is the same as the one used for a D & C for medical reasons, such as after a miscarriage or in my case years ago, so I would be able to conceive my third child. The Medicare ‘evidence’ is not relevant evidence re terminations. So, John, your comments showed once again, how you never allow facts to get in the way of your abusive tirades! I have chosen to acknowledge my reasons, but the privacy laws should be upheld for others, if only for one damned good reason - it’s none of anyone’s damned business! How about we take a peep into your medicare files! Is that what you’d allow to ensure that no terminations could take place - public naming?

Oh yes, I forgot the US pre-occupation with the death penalty, and their christianity re the convicted bomber from Lybia (who incidently was not convicted ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ but on a belief of ‘probability’, with many (including surviving family members in the UK) questioning his guilt anyway - in the US he’d be dead, and if innocent that would be just too bad?) George W Bush, that champion of human rights and against abortion, who signed 137 death warrants when he was Governor of Texas ( at least 11 of them have been proven to be innocent - again, just too bad?) and has been responsible for over a million Iraqi deaths, and those of his own citizens - 4334(officially acknowledged) now? Some people are just ‘un-people’ in some eyes!

Well done, James. Well done.

So up front I will tell you all I am a Catholic (by choice) and an anti-abortionist, because of my humanity. This does not mean I am not entitled to an educated and thought out opinion.

The young lady in Queensland should not be gaoled, but she should be charged, if that is the law of the land. There are avenues in our legal system to limit any penalty to a token one (please corrrect me if I am in error), but we cannot condemn Queensland and their police for following their laws. The naming of this person here or anywhere else, however, is a disgrace.

Victorian Legislation that allows late term abortion cannot be held up as a beacon of democratic success. It is only a symbol of our inhumanity. We can argue from now to eternity on when life starts and when abortion should be allowed, but agreement will never be reached whilst we have such intractable opinion.

Anna Bligh is right to be cautious and seek a proper democratic solution. In fact it is her sworn duty to govern for all Queenslanders, not just the outspoken, and in spite of her personal beliefs.

We all have a right to choice, but that choice must be in step with the accepted norms of the Society we choose to live in. By all means change the laws if that is what the voting public want and expect, we can all make a choice not to make use of them if we do not agree. However, I don’t think abortion on demand is the accepted norm in our Society.

At least I hope not.

God has never shown an interest in abortion or foetuses even though He apparently communicates with us through a chosen few. There is one exception in the Hebrew Bible where he allows advice to be given against endangering the patriarch’s property in the pregnancies of his wives. However Jesus told us nothing and the Church remained totally misinformed about the physical/biological facts (a necessary underpinning to its teaching what one should do and not do about embryos and foetuses) right up the the early 20th century at least when the Catholic Encyclopaedia was still teaching that the male foets didn’t “quicken” (and receive a soul) until 40 days from conception, females 80 to 90 days!

Of course you are not Catholic Jim but that means you don’t have a Pope who can say that God guides. So,what’s your excuse for insisting other citizens accept a morality which has nothing to do with the esential law and order and preventing private revenge being taken which is the main function and justification for criminal law (within which abortion law finds its niche as people like you evidently want to punish people for aborting).

Well, someone should tell Crikey. Gees, they just published Wallace’s secret agenda. What a scoop!
What a load of Left wing drivel, more likely. The only secret is how much abortionists are pocketing in this lucrative business of killing the helpless, all on Medicare.

As things stand, they are a secretive organisation that only exists to lobby politicians behind closed doors on their specific extreme moral agenda. As a religious lobby group they are exempt from the provisions of the lobbyist register. No secret lobbying group should be exempt in this way, particularly when their agenda is patently outside mainstream Australian thought and well outside even many of the established religious groups on many issues.

Are those self same christians there to help mind the kids, pick them up from school, cut their lunches, iron their uniforms, pay their bills, take the day off when they are sick…. until such time as these people are there until the child dies of old age they have NO RIGHT to comment on another persons life and body.

They make me sick - and the fact that they hide behind being “christian” maybe they should take a poll of christians and see what the results really are!

Let me see if I get this argument straight. Jim Wallace is a hypocrite because he wont kill the unborn but will kill civilians in war. He’s inconsistent, Jenny charges, because he should, to be consistent and,therefore, not a “hypocrite”, oppose both.
But, hang on! Jenny and her mates will kill the unborn, but wont participate in war. Isn’t that precisely the inconsistency she charges Wallace with?
And Danny ‘Freaking’ Ashdown replies.Well, kind of!
What part of ‘Nazi’ do you not understand, Dan?

This is incoherent gibberish, but coming from John James it constitutes a step up in discourse.

All I would add is that I live in Victoria and I support the recent decriminalisation of abortion.

So I’ll just do what I always do and support whatever the majority of Americans don’t.

Just a question
This is the first article in which I have seen the young lady named. Is this legit or has somebody made an error?

-In the interests of transparency, why don’t you tell us what you really think and show how far out of step with mainstream opinion you are? You oppose all abortions and don’t give a shit for the mothers fathers or indeed children-
SBH-What else needs to be said? GOLDEN

Senator Moore is correct.

Wallace could speak to me until he was blue in the face and I would not change my mind.

Anna needs to up the anti somehow and get the abortion law decriminalised.

There are undoubtedly a lot of questions regarding this very complex issue that warrant informed and sensible debate. So why are we having to read nonsense like this?

By all means Crikey, report the “other side”. Let’s just not pretend that the views of Wallace and Co are it.