Comments on: Let the public make the call on Kyle and O, not ACMA http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:14:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Alan http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35192 Alan Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:23:23 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35192 The reality is Jackie Henderson, Glenn Dyer and Kyle Sandilands have a different set of moral values and therefore don't understand that to many people this was a sad example of exploitation and child abuse. I doubt anything we write or say will change their views, their public apologies or utterances of contrition do not seem genuine. The reality is Jackie Henderson, Glenn Dyer and Kyle Sandilands have a different set of moral values and therefore don’t understand that to many people this was a sad example of exploitation and child abuse. I doubt anything we write or say will change their views, their public apologies or utterances of contrition do not seem genuine.

]]> By: Liz45 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35160 Liz45 Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:43:06 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35160 ERIC LUNDBERG - I agree with your post. I'm not very interested in monetry compensation, but care and protection for the very young woman concerned. I don't give a fig for her mother or the radio station or its employees - they're not worth a spit. I'm just concerned that this young woman receives the guidance she needs to move on with her life. The older adults concerned? Don't care! Remove them off the airwaves, and make sure the mother gets the relevant education she obviously needs! A mothers job is to protect, care and support her child! That's it! Pretty simple really! Just a thought? What if the young person concerned had been a male? Think about it? I suspect that there would've been a different response in many quarters! Not from me though! Sexual assault is just that, regardless! Using human beings to promote ratings or some revolting status is just that - revolting! ERIC LUNDBERG - I agree with your post. I’m not very interested in monetry compensation, but care and protection for the very young woman concerned. I don’t give a fig for her mother or the radio station or its employees - they’re not worth a spit. I’m just concerned that this young woman receives the guidance she needs to move on with her life. The older adults concerned? Don’t care! Remove them off the airwaves, and make sure the mother gets the relevant education she obviously needs! A mothers job is to protect, care and support her child! That’s it! Pretty simple really!

Just a thought? What if the young person concerned had been a male? Think about it? I suspect that there would’ve been a different response in many quarters! Not from me though! Sexual assault is just that, regardless! Using human beings to promote ratings or some revolting status is just that - revolting!

]]> By: james mcdonald http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35158 james mcdonald Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:09:34 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35158 That's my whole point: decouple ratings from any notion of "public standards". Otherwise ... well, road accidents are always pupular spectacles, should we count the number of people who look at them and then legalize staged road accidents for advertising? That’s my whole point: decouple ratings from any notion of “public standards”.
Otherwise … well, road accidents are always pupular spectacles, should we count the number of people who look at them and then legalize staged road accidents for advertising?

]]> By: AR http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35155 AR Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:19:57 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35155 JamesMc - I'm puzzled - what criterion does one use to measure hypocrisy (even if unconscious as is so much of what passes for public standards)? I have no way of measuring but I doubt that their audience gave a flying....: it was only the bien pissants (such as myself and others who heard about it 2nd/3rd hand) who thought it a blight upon civilisation. The mere fact that they are back and rating their soiled socks off is, surely "Nuff sed"? JamesMc - I’m puzzled - what criterion does one use to measure hypocrisy (even if unconscious as is so much of what passes for public standards)? I have no way of measuring but I doubt that their audience gave a flying….: it was only the bien pissants (such as myself and others who heard about it 2nd/3rd hand) who thought it a blight upon civilisation.
The mere fact that they are back and rating their soiled socks off is, surely “Nuff sed”?

]]> By: james mcdonald http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35154 james mcdonald Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:04:27 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35154 AR: that's right, but the public standard should be measured not by what they stay switched on for but what they say about it afterward. AR: that’s right, but the public standard should be measured not by what they stay switched on for but what they say about it afterward.

]]> By: AR http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35147 AR Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:23:16 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35147 Let the public decide??!! The public, day to day, demand their right to eat sh*t, as long as it has enough s*gar on it. No-one EVER went broke underestimated the public's taste/intelligence (by no means the same thing) though Mudorc seems to be about to do exactly that. Let the public decide??!! The public, day to day, demand their right to eat sh*t, as long as it has enough s*gar on it. No-one EVER went broke underestimated the public’s taste/intelligence (by no means the same thing) though Mudorc seems to be about to do exactly that.

]]> By: james mcdonald http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35134 james mcdonald Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:27:26 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35134 Turning the dial when offended fails to address the knowledge that the degradation is still going on for others to witness. Human nature is to go on listening and then to pass judgement, and in this case that's what people have done with overwhelming consensus. The most cynical radio game I ever heard (maybe around 2001 and I don't recall what station) was a cash giveaway with one listener per day able to call in and explain why they deserved the cash more than anybody else. Every miserable hard luck story, some of them heart-wrenching, would win the money if - and only if - nobody called the next day. Of course every day there was at least one more caller to disqualify the previous caller and say give it to me instead. The whole purpose of the game was to bring out the most rapacious side of human nature for display, in such a way that the station didn't even end up anybody a cent. That's the kind of cynicism we can do without, and there is precious little to counter balance it. Turning the dial when offended fails to address the knowledge that the degradation is still going on for others to witness. Human nature is to go on listening and then to pass judgement, and in this case that’s what people have done with overwhelming consensus.

The most cynical radio game I ever heard (maybe around 2001 and I don’t recall what station) was a cash giveaway with one listener per day able to call in and explain why they deserved the cash more than anybody else. Every miserable hard luck story, some of them heart-wrenching, would win the money if - and only if - nobody called the next day. Of course every day there was at least one more caller to disqualify the previous caller and say give it to me instead. The whole purpose of the game was to bring out the most rapacious side of human nature for display, in such a way that the station didn’t even end up anybody a cent. That’s the kind of cynicism we can do without, and there is precious little to counter balance it.

]]> By: Alan http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35104 Alan Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:04:30 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35104 So Mr Dyer, in effect you defend the right of a media outlet to publicly humilate/degrade you or a member of your family without your permission just because 600,000 people might find it titilating? Let alone the issue of whether this consituted child abuse by the parent and presenters. I think not. So Mr Dyer, in effect you defend the right of a media outlet to publicly humilate/degrade you or a member of your family without your permission just because 600,000 people might find it titilating? Let alone the issue of whether this consituted child abuse by the parent and presenters.

I think not.

]]> By: Eric Lundberg http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35062 Eric Lundberg Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:51:22 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35062 How about another approach? I believe the radio "personalities" and the producers and management should be prosecuted for child abuse. They put a CHILD on the radio, strapped to a lie detector, and questioned her on air about her sexual experiences. To make it clearer, the CHILD protested that she did not want to take part. Even if she had agreed, there is plenty of doubt about whether she is of an age where she could give legal consent. None of these facts are, as far as a I am aware, disputed. The rape revelation only made what was already evil even worse. That this was apparently done with the mothers permission is irrelevant. The CHILD's privacy was knowingly invaded in a gross manner, against her will. Is there no benevolent solicitor and barrister out there that will take a pro bono case against the station for this child and get the compensation she so richly deserves. Just make sure the damages are put in trust for the child How about another approach?

I believe the radio “personalities” and the producers and management should be prosecuted for child abuse.

They put a CHILD on the radio, strapped to a lie detector, and questioned her on air about her sexual experiences.

To make it clearer, the CHILD protested that she did not want to take part. Even if she had agreed, there is plenty of doubt about whether she is of an age where she could give legal consent.

None of these facts are, as far as a I am aware, disputed.

The rape revelation only made what was already evil even worse.

That this was apparently done with the mothers permission is irrelevant.

The CHILD’s privacy was knowingly invaded in a gross manner, against her will.

Is there no benevolent solicitor and barrister out there that will take a pro bono case against the station for this child and get the compensation she so richly deserves.

Just make sure the damages are put in trust for the child

]]> By: Liz45 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35054 Liz45 Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:40:03 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/let-the-public-make-the-call-on-kyle-and-o-not-acma/#comment-35054 You also have to question the mentality of those who spend time listening to them. Perhaps it's my age? but I find Kyle an objectionable person - he's 'up himself', objectionable in his attitude, demeanour and language, and neither of them would be known for their education, nor are they very articulate. It says a lot about the mentality of some people who find them entertaining. I don't like men who are misogynist loud mouths. I'd be ashamed if one of my sons behaved like him! It would appear, that this radio 'show' has a history of 'gaffs' and some stunts that can only be described as grotty in the extreme. As a community, we need to understand that we all have a right to protect very young women from this type of despicable exploitation! I don't buy his excuse of a few days ago, that the mother in question was concerned for her daughter, and had "nowhere else to go"?There's the police, with specially trained women police officers; rape crisis centres or a women's refuge etc; there's doctors and psychologists who are sensitive and experienced in helping victims recover from such horrific assaults as rape. You also have to question the mentality of those who spend time listening to them. Perhaps it’s my age? but I find Kyle an objectionable person - he’s ‘up himself’, objectionable in his attitude, demeanour and language, and neither of them would be known for their education, nor are they very articulate. It says a lot about the mentality of some people who find them entertaining. I don’t like men who are misogynist loud mouths. I’d be ashamed if one of my sons behaved like him!

It would appear, that this radio ‘show’ has a history of ‘gaffs’ and some stunts that can only be described as grotty in the extreme. As a community, we need to understand that we all have a right to protect very young women from this type of despicable exploitation! I don’t buy his excuse of a few days ago, that the mother in question was concerned for her daughter, and had “nowhere else to go”?There’s the police, with specially trained women police officers; rape crisis centres or a women’s refuge etc; there’s doctors and psychologists who are sensitive and experienced in helping victims recover from such horrific assaults as rape.

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