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	<title>Comments on: Nuclear power and relations with China</title>
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		<title>By: Harvey Tarvydas</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-65/#comment-35196</link>
		<dc:creator>Harvey Tarvydas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Harvey M Tarvydas writes:

&quot;Of course the government will claim that it was their policies that have resulted in the Australian economy doing so well,” writes Sinclair Davidson. 

The outright abuse of intellectual process this thinking represents only influences intellectual lightweights or intellectual deficient liberal supporters.

The accepted honest intellectual process to reveal the truth is to be engaged before and after thus enabling honest claims to the true meaning.

The dishonest will claim after an event that a cause and effect claim is not true simply because it&#039;s convenient .

If one (the Rudd Govt) set up to take an action to effect the future to become A (a desirable positive outcome) and declares that expected outcome (A) will occur as a result of the action, with fingers crossed, and avoid outcome B, at a time when everyone (both those with one and those opposed to one) are clearly of a mind that the only future to be contemplated is the opposite to A, ie B a future that is an extremely negative and an undesirable outcome AND then the action indeed produces A it becomes an extremely devious and intellectually dishonest claim to make that &quot;of course the (Rudd) Govt would claim they affected the future to become A.

Are there any educated, intellegently capable people left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Harvey M Tarvydas writes:</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Of course the government will claim that it was their policies that have resulted in the Australian economy doing so well,” writes Sinclair Davidson. </p>
<p>The outright abuse of intellectual process this thinking represents only influences intellectual lightweights or intellectual deficient liberal supporters.</p>
<p>The accepted honest intellectual process to reveal the truth is to be engaged before and after thus enabling honest claims to the true meaning.</p>
<p>The dishonest will claim after an event that a cause and effect claim is not true simply because it&#8217;s convenient .</p>
<p>If one (the Rudd Govt) set up to take an action to effect the future to become A (a desirable positive outcome) and declares that expected outcome (A) will occur as a result of the action, with fingers crossed, and avoid outcome B, at a time when everyone (both those with one and those opposed to one) are clearly of a mind that the only future to be contemplated is the opposite to A, ie B a future that is an extremely negative and an undesirable outcome AND then the action indeed produces A it becomes an extremely devious and intellectually dishonest claim to make that &#8220;of course the (Rudd) Govt would claim they affected the future to become A.</p>
<p>Are there any educated, intellegently capable people left.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Duffett</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-65/#comment-35162</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Duffett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rack off, Michael Bailey and Angela Armitage.  I&#039;m starting to get heartily sick of these types of responses that oh-so-predictably greet every Crikey contribution that occasionally comes from a vaguely right of centre source.  No engagement with the points made, just a la-la-la-la-I&#039;m-not-listening call for the dissenting voice to be silenced.  I&#039;m particularly annoyed by the school of thought that says the point of Crikey is to be some sort of leftist counterweight to &lt;i&gt;The Australian&lt;/i&gt;.  I rarely read &lt;i&gt;The Australian&lt;/i&gt;.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s unreasonable to expect overall balance from Crikey in its own right, without reference to any other publication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rack off, Michael Bailey and Angela Armitage.  I&#8217;m starting to get heartily sick of these types of responses that oh-so-predictably greet every Crikey contribution that occasionally comes from a vaguely right of centre source.  No engagement with the points made, just a la-la-la-la-I&#8217;m-not-listening call for the dissenting voice to be silenced.  I&#8217;m particularly annoyed by the school of thought that says the point of Crikey is to be some sort of leftist counterweight to <i>The Australian</i>.  I rarely read <i>The Australian</i>.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s unreasonable to expect overall balance from Crikey in its own right, without reference to any other publication.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen martin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-65/#comment-35086</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;•Demand for electricity will continue to grow in response to world economic growth, energy security concerns and climate change challenges.&quot; -
 The article referenced below in Scientific American is of interest as far as the electricity supply needed to power the widespread adoption of electric cars.





http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=will-electric-cars-wreck-the-grid&amp;sc=WR_20090818</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>•Demand for electricity will continue to grow in response to world economic growth, energy security concerns and climate change challenges.&#8221; -<br />
 The article referenced below in Scientific American is of interest as far as the electricity supply needed to power the widespread adoption of electric cars.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=will-electric-cars-wreck-the-grid&#038;sc=WR_20090818" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=will-electric-cars-wreck-the-grid&#038;sc=WR_20090818</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Green</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/21/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-65/#comment-35084</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AWU secretary Paul Howes takes me to task for pointing out that many of his statements to the Sydney Institute about uranium mining and nuclear power were demonstrably false (letter, Crikey, 21/8).

But Howes does not challenge a single point of fact in my original Crikey piece (www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive). Instead he offers ridiculous ad hominen and straw man attacks.

Howes claims that I accused him of repeatedly lying. I did no such thing. I said he appears to know next to nothing about uranium mining and nuclear power and provided considerable evidence in support of that view - evidence which Howes does not challenge.

Howes says that, unlike me, he believes &quot;working people and their representatives have a right to speak out on matters of public importance&quot;. Needless to say, I never suggested otherwise.

Howes falsely claims that &#039;Just about every scenario, forecast and projection of future world electricity demand foresees an increase in demand for nuclear power&#039;. But my original Crikey piece provided a web-link to many reports which map out clean energy futures without recourse to nuclear power. (www.foe.org.au/anti-nuclear/issues/clean-energy)

Howes accuses me of having an &#039;ultra leftist belief system&#039;. This contrasts with Howes - he gave up social justice and environmental activism to become, in his words, a &quot;committed democrat&quot;. Which led him naturally to the right-wing of the NSW Labor/labour machine!

Jim Green
Friends of the Earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWU secretary Paul Howes takes me to task for pointing out that many of his statements to the Sydney Institute about uranium mining and nuclear power were demonstrably false (letter, Crikey, 21/8).</p>
<p>But Howes does not challenge a single point of fact in my original Crikey piece (www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive). Instead he offers ridiculous ad hominen and straw man attacks.</p>
<p>Howes claims that I accused him of repeatedly lying. I did no such thing. I said he appears to know next to nothing about uranium mining and nuclear power and provided considerable evidence in support of that view - evidence which Howes does not challenge.</p>
<p>Howes says that, unlike me, he believes &#8220;working people and their representatives have a right to speak out on matters of public importance&#8221;. Needless to say, I never suggested otherwise.</p>
<p>Howes falsely claims that &#8216;Just about every scenario, forecast and projection of future world electricity demand foresees an increase in demand for nuclear power&#8217;. But my original Crikey piece provided a web-link to many reports which map out clean energy futures without recourse to nuclear power. (www.foe.org.au/anti-nuclear/issues/clean-energy)</p>
<p>Howes accuses me of having an &#8216;ultra leftist belief system&#8217;. This contrasts with Howes - he gave up social justice and environmental activism to become, in his words, a &#8220;committed democrat&#8221;. Which led him naturally to the right-wing of the NSW Labor/labour machine!</p>
<p>Jim Green<br />
Friends of the Earth</p>
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