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	<title>Comments on: The short but lucrative life of a Qantas frequent flyer point</title>
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		<title>By: John Bennetts</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bennetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pls ignore the first garbled sentence in my response above.  Typist&#039;s error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pls ignore the first garbled sentence in my response above.  Typist&#8217;s error.</p>
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		<title>By: John Bennetts</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/20/the-short-but-lucrative-life-of-a-qantas-frequent-flyer-point/#comment-34962</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bennetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aept that a small usage fee may be appropriate, especially where these fees are optional and are disclosed.  As person who prefers to remain free of loyalty schemes, such as petrol discounts and frequent flier points, I am acutely aware that I am subsidising the cost of these schemes through almost everything I do.

Why the added costs are legal or even considered to be moral when applied to all customers, despite the fact that only some require such a service, is beyond me.  Surely it is essential that the friction in the marketplace is minimised and each purchase stand alone?  Is not an efficient market a good market?

As a user of both a credit and a debit card, I understand and accept that a small percentage can be added to my purchases non-cash purchases, provided that it is disclosed and is thus avoidable by the simple expedient of using cash - - - legal tender.  Remember that stuff?  Apparently Telstra have decided that they no longer need to recognise the legality of legal tender, but that is another story.

To sum up, I wonder how many purchasers would choose to take a discount on purchases equal to the cost of the points on the card, instead of paying top shelf rates in the hope that their frequent flier points can be cashed in within 2 years.

This is very similar to the current row about superannuation fees and ripoffs by financial planners.

At the very least, transparent disclosure of the actual costs of the schemes, purchase by purchase, is appropriate, preferably in the same way that Rediteller charges and GST are disclosed at the point of sale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aept that a small usage fee may be appropriate, especially where these fees are optional and are disclosed.  As person who prefers to remain free of loyalty schemes, such as petrol discounts and frequent flier points, I am acutely aware that I am subsidising the cost of these schemes through almost everything I do.</p>
<p>Why the added costs are legal or even considered to be moral when applied to all customers, despite the fact that only some require such a service, is beyond me.  Surely it is essential that the friction in the marketplace is minimised and each purchase stand alone?  Is not an efficient market a good market?</p>
<p>As a user of both a credit and a debit card, I understand and accept that a small percentage can be added to my purchases non-cash purchases, provided that it is disclosed and is thus avoidable by the simple expedient of using cash - - - legal tender.  Remember that stuff?  Apparently Telstra have decided that they no longer need to recognise the legality of legal tender, but that is another story.</p>
<p>To sum up, I wonder how many purchasers would choose to take a discount on purchases equal to the cost of the points on the card, instead of paying top shelf rates in the hope that their frequent flier points can be cashed in within 2 years.</p>
<p>This is very similar to the current row about superannuation fees and ripoffs by financial planners.</p>
<p>At the very least, transparent disclosure of the actual costs of the schemes, purchase by purchase, is appropriate, preferably in the same way that Rediteller charges and GST are disclosed at the point of sale.</p>
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		<title>By: David James</title>
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		<dc:creator>David James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The presentation was actually available on Qantas.com yesterday, but hard to find because the Investors page still points to the 07-08 results and the menu doesn&#039;t seem to work in Firefox.

The page is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/investors-full-year-results-2009/global/en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/investors-full-year-results-2009/global/en&lt;/a&gt;. Other documents are also available there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The presentation was actually available on Qantas.com yesterday, but hard to find because the Investors page still points to the 07-08 results and the menu doesn&#8217;t seem to work in Firefox.</p>
<p>The page is <a href="http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/investors-full-year-results-2009/global/en" rel="nofollow">http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/investors-full-year-results-2009/global/en</a>. Other documents are also available there.</p>
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