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	<title>Comments on: Paul Howes&#8217; u-propaganda is radioactive</title>
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		<title>By: petethegeo</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive/#comment-35030</link>
		<dc:creator>petethegeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AR, what exactly in my post are you having trouble with?

1: That there is more than a 20 year supply of uranium
or
2: Overpopulation is the root cause of our problems

RWDB? If you wish... I&#039;ll leave the name-calling  and cutesy acronym&#039;s to you
&quot;mate&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR, what exactly in my post are you having trouble with?</p>
<p>1: That there is more than a 20 year supply of uranium<br />
or<br />
2: Overpopulation is the root cause of our problems</p>
<p>RWDB? If you wish&#8230; I&#8217;ll leave the name-calling  and cutesy acronym&#8217;s to you<br />
&#8220;mate&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive/#comment-34985</link>
		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PeteGeo - you can&#039;t be serious so I assume that you are one of those RWDB  &#039;rabble soothers&#039;, but, to employ an old Ozism, &quot;You aren&#039;t wrong&#039;&#039; which DOES NOT mean that you have a point worth the proverbial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PeteGeo - you can&#8217;t be serious so I assume that you are one of those RWDB  &#8216;rabble soothers&#8217;, but, to employ an old Ozism, &#8220;You aren&#8217;t wrong&#8221; which DOES NOT mean that you have a point worth the proverbial.</p>
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		<title>By: petethegeo</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive/#comment-34870</link>
		<dc:creator>petethegeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uranium reserves run out in 20 years? Pah! That&#039;s just wrong. May as well say gold reserves have only 10 years left. Gold is far less abundant in the Earths crust yet we&#039;re still finding new gold deposits.

It&#039;s only just recently that companies have started exploring for uranium, the two mine policy put the mockers on it...Who&#039;s going to spend money to find an orebody they can&#039;t mine? As far as I&#039;m aware, it&#039;s still illegal to explore for uranium in NSW for instance. If the two-mine policy was changed, there would be an adundance of discoveries, certainly enough uranium here to power australia for +50 years.

the real root cause of Co2, land degredation, soil degredation, loss of water resources,  pollution ect ect is infact an ever increasing population THAT is the issue that needs resolution no some soppy hand-wringing about Co2, nuclear power and Australia&#039;s 1.5% co2 emissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uranium reserves run out in 20 years? Pah! That&#8217;s just wrong. May as well say gold reserves have only 10 years left. Gold is far less abundant in the Earths crust yet we&#8217;re still finding new gold deposits.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only just recently that companies have started exploring for uranium, the two mine policy put the mockers on it&#8230;Who&#8217;s going to spend money to find an orebody they can&#8217;t mine? As far as I&#8217;m aware, it&#8217;s still illegal to explore for uranium in NSW for instance. If the two-mine policy was changed, there would be an adundance of discoveries, certainly enough uranium here to power australia for +50 years.</p>
<p>the real root cause of Co2, land degredation, soil degredation, loss of water resources,  pollution ect ect is infact an ever increasing population THAT is the issue that needs resolution no some soppy hand-wringing about Co2, nuclear power and Australia&#8217;s 1.5% co2 emissions.</p>
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		<title>By: asdusty</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive/#comment-34849</link>
		<dc:creator>asdusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, dont be surprised to find Queensland to be the first state to go nuclear...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, dont be surprised to find Queensland to be the first state to go nuclear&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: michael crook</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive/#comment-34845</link>
		<dc:creator>michael crook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article interesting comment from asdusty. The question is, why is the AWU pushing uranium? Not quite sure but here in Queensland it is interesting that at a regional alp conference I attended a couple of years ago the question of  uranium mining arose and was put to the vote, the only person in the room who voted for uranium mining in Queensland was the now Minister for Infrastructure, Stirling Hinchcliffe. Although losing the vote, it now appears that Stirling, the rising star of the AWU right, knew a lot more than the rest of us. Queensland, as you know, for some years has been governed by Bill Ludwig&#039;s AWU right, who very much resemble a cross between the old DLP and Joh&#039;s Nationals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article interesting comment from asdusty. The question is, why is the AWU pushing uranium? Not quite sure but here in Queensland it is interesting that at a regional alp conference I attended a couple of years ago the question of  uranium mining arose and was put to the vote, the only person in the room who voted for uranium mining in Queensland was the now Minister for Infrastructure, Stirling Hinchcliffe. Although losing the vote, it now appears that Stirling, the rising star of the AWU right, knew a lot more than the rest of us. Queensland, as you know, for some years has been governed by Bill Ludwig&#8217;s AWU right, who very much resemble a cross between the old DLP and Joh&#8217;s Nationals.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive/#comment-34842</link>
		<dc:creator>Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a surprise that the link to the dozens of detailed reports showing that we don&#039;t need nuclear power to reduce our CO2 emissions by enough to avert CC ends up nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a surprise that the link to the dozens of detailed reports showing that we don&#8217;t need nuclear power to reduce our CO2 emissions by enough to avert CC ends up nowhere.</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive/#comment-34822</link>
		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for perspective, cow dung supplies more ENERGY in the world than nukes. The key word being &#039;energy&#039;. 
So much of the &#039;debate&#039; uses the word as a catchall when the meaning intended is &#039;electricity&#039;. There are many uses for electricity which no other form of energy can meet, computers, TVs, most of our electronic urbanoid toys etc. 
What it should NEVER be used for is HEAT which is insanity piled on idiocy inside stupidity.  
As an example, and this is BEST theory not practice, using coal to generate electricity yields just over ONE THIRD as much energy as burned. Leaving aside transmission losses (another problem which PhV on every roof top obviates), to use the electricity for cooking or heating wastes almost 2/3 of the ergs consumed (ie X=1/3Y, Y=1/3Z ) so cooking the chook uses approximately ONE TENTH of the energy that was present in the coal.
Why  electric immersion/storage heating  is even legal in Oz is beyond my ken. 
Germany (check the comparative latitudes and pellucidity of air) heats more of its domestic water, per capita, than Oz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for perspective, cow dung supplies more ENERGY in the world than nukes. The key word being &#8216;energy&#8217;.<br />
So much of the &#8216;debate&#8217; uses the word as a catchall when the meaning intended is &#8216;electricity&#8217;. There are many uses for electricity which no other form of energy can meet, computers, TVs, most of our electronic urbanoid toys etc.<br />
What it should NEVER be used for is HEAT which is insanity piled on idiocy inside stupidity.<br />
As an example, and this is BEST theory not practice, using coal to generate electricity yields just over ONE THIRD as much energy as burned. Leaving aside transmission losses (another problem which PhV on every roof top obviates), to use the electricity for cooking or heating wastes almost 2/3 of the ergs consumed (ie X=1/3Y, Y=1/3Z ) so cooking the chook uses approximately ONE TENTH of the energy that was present in the coal.<br />
Why  electric immersion/storage heating  is even legal in Oz is beyond my ken.<br />
Germany (check the comparative latitudes and pellucidity of air) heats more of its domestic water, per capita, than Oz.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Clifton</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive/#comment-34819</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Clifton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thank Liz45 for laying out some of the public concerns about nuclear. If the questions can be spelled out, the answers can also be brought out into the open.

The question of limits of uranium resources I can answer immediately. Uranium is plentiful.  (Search for &quot;availability of uranium deposits&quot;). Unfortunately, hydrocarbons are also available in overwhelming supply. Even oil can be made from coal, with yet more CO2 emission.

The problem is not with our inputs but with our outputs.  The article tries to terrify us with visions of radioactive pollution amounting to a small variation in natural radioactivity.  At the same time, there is already 1.6 kg of CO2 pollution above every square metre. There is plenty of room to store spent fuel, but the atmosphere is full!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank Liz45 for laying out some of the public concerns about nuclear. If the questions can be spelled out, the answers can also be brought out into the open.</p>
<p>The question of limits of uranium resources I can answer immediately. Uranium is plentiful.  (Search for &#8220;availability of uranium deposits&#8221;). Unfortunately, hydrocarbons are also available in overwhelming supply. Even oil can be made from coal, with yet more CO2 emission.</p>
<p>The problem is not with our inputs but with our outputs.  The article tries to terrify us with visions of radioactive pollution amounting to a small variation in natural radioactivity.  At the same time, there is already 1.6 kg of CO2 pollution above every square metre. There is plenty of room to store spent fuel, but the atmosphere is full!</p>
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		<title>By: john2066</title>
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		<dc:creator>john2066</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m as green as they come, but the arguments against nuclear power as expressed in this article are rubbish.

- There is a nuclear planning and building boom at the moment in the world. Its true that the current share of nuclear power is declining slightly, but the amount of nuclear thats about to come on board is quite large.

- The comparison Paul Howes makes between Australia and Saudi Arabia is valid - he is talking about the PROPORTION of exports that we have, which is roughly analogous

- I agree with comments about that the 4th generation reactors, these are extremely safe and can be rolled out in a standardized way.

- Its really really tragic, with global warming accelerating around the world, that so many greens have turned their backs on the genuine clean baseload power solution we have - nuclear power.  In fact, on going to many green rallies I know that many people secretly do think nuclear is valid, but are afraid to speak out because of the luddite way its been stigamatized in the green community.  Its really time to grow up and welcome nuclear power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m as green as they come, but the arguments against nuclear power as expressed in this article are rubbish.</p>
<p>- There is a nuclear planning and building boom at the moment in the world. Its true that the current share of nuclear power is declining slightly, but the amount of nuclear thats about to come on board is quite large.</p>
<p>- The comparison Paul Howes makes between Australia and Saudi Arabia is valid - he is talking about the PROPORTION of exports that we have, which is roughly analogous</p>
<p>- I agree with comments about that the 4th generation reactors, these are extremely safe and can be rolled out in a standardized way.</p>
<p>- Its really really tragic, with global warming accelerating around the world, that so many greens have turned their backs on the genuine clean baseload power solution we have - nuclear power.  In fact, on going to many green rallies I know that many people secretly do think nuclear is valid, but are afraid to speak out because of the luddite way its been stigamatized in the green community.  Its really time to grow up and welcome nuclear power.</p>
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		<title>By: asdusty</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive/#comment-34777</link>
		<dc:creator>asdusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 06:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has to be remembered that Paul Howes is just a meat puppet for the Right of the Labor Party (oh how I wish those mongrels would just bugger off and join the Liberal Party - Thats where they really want to be!), and the Right have just realised how much MONEY can be made for them and their mates by hopping into bed with the Nuclear lobby.  You will be seeing more from members of the right advocating Australia build nuclear reactors, just so they can feather their own nests.  Any other explanation just doesnt make sense.  Until Australia explores every possible avenue other than nuclear we simply shouldnt be having this debate.  Why is it not law that every home has to have solar electricity panels installed?  What happened to the subsidy to purchase solar panels?  Why is a population based nearly exclusively on the coast not investing in wave/tidal power generation?  Without seriously exploring all the alternative, renewable sources of power any discussion of nuclear will be just a desire for a few to enrich themselves at the expense of the rest, and our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has to be remembered that Paul Howes is just a meat puppet for the Right of the Labor Party (oh how I wish those mongrels would just bugger off and join the Liberal Party - Thats where they really want to be!), and the Right have just realised how much MONEY can be made for them and their mates by hopping into bed with the Nuclear lobby.  You will be seeing more from members of the right advocating Australia build nuclear reactors, just so they can feather their own nests.  Any other explanation just doesnt make sense.  Until Australia explores every possible avenue other than nuclear we simply shouldnt be having this debate.  Why is it not law that every home has to have solar electricity panels installed?  What happened to the subsidy to purchase solar panels?  Why is a population based nearly exclusively on the coast not investing in wave/tidal power generation?  Without seriously exploring all the alternative, renewable sources of power any discussion of nuclear will be just a desire for a few to enrich themselves at the expense of the rest, and our children.</p>
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		<title>By: John Bennetts</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive/#comment-34767</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bennetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jim Green</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive/#comment-34759</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No point responding to the sillier comments typically made on these website discussion sites but I will note that Friends of the Earth gets no funding from any fossil fuel industries. To the best of my knowledge we get no funding from any industries whatsoever.
Evan B - yes, Howes is confused about &#039;4th generation&#039; nuclear power. Articles on 4th generation fission posted at 
http://www.foe.org.au/anti-nuclear/issues/nfc/power-weapons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No point responding to the sillier comments typically made on these website discussion sites but I will note that Friends of the Earth gets no funding from any fossil fuel industries. To the best of my knowledge we get no funding from any industries whatsoever.<br />
Evan B - yes, Howes is confused about &#8216;4th generation&#8217; nuclear power. Articles on 4th generation fission posted at<br />
<a href="http://www.foe.org.au/anti-nuclear/issues/nfc/power-weapons" rel="nofollow">http://www.foe.org.au/anti-nuclear/issues/nfc/power-weapons</a></p>
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		<title>By: Liz45</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/19/paul-howes-u-propaganda-is-radioactive/#comment-34757</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROGER CLIFTON - Like Dr Jim Green, we&#039;ve been around for years. But experts like Jim have been overlooked by those with other barrows to push. I also understand, that if all other methods of providing electricity were changed over to nuclear, the available uranium would last less than 20 years. Then we&#039;d have to look for alternatives - wouldn&#039;t it be smart to do that first? Also, when the cost of nuclear power is quoted by pro people, they don&#039;t include the costs of security (police to accompany transport or uranium and waste); transport; health or ill health of uranium miners; damage to the environment (or cleaning up the mess?); the fact that a third of the energy in a nuclear power plant is wasted via evaporation(into the air?); uses heaps of water per hour; and the dismantling of nuclear reactors usually has to involve government finances, that is our money! The cost is usually underestimated, and the end cost is huge. Even then, you can&#039;t just build a sports field where a nuclear reactor has been? 

There&#039;s no safe storage of high level radioactive materials anywhere in the world. The storage on site/s is building up each year, and it&#039;s a wonder there hasn&#039;t been another serious &#039;incident&#039; with the dangers of Chernobyl. The recent practice of the US in using depleted uranium in bombs is just horrific. There&#039;s plenty of evidence of increases in birth deformities and cancers in many countries in recent years, and will only grow in the future - it&#039;s just horrific - Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia etc.The way our cities and towns are organised around this country means that the nuclear plants would be situated close to communities - they require access to large sources of water. Port Kembla, in the Illawarra, NSW, has been given as a possible site for a reactor? What? Next to Blue Scope Steel or the oil storage depots? Great stuff! We&#039;ve already had a serious incident some time ago that thankfully didn&#039;t involve a nuclear reactor, but a man died, and it was a very serious situation for some hours. The site was removed of all workers? One of my sons was working in the area, and it was frightening! We have a serious shortage of water, it&#039;s just ridiculous to engage in any activity that would worsen this situation. 

The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is in need of a serious overhaul. We have a situation where some countries have nuclear weapons without any accountability(Israel, Pakistan and India) but countries who&#039;ve signed the Treaty, and have the right to enrich uranium for power generation are threatened with military action(Iran)? Pakistan gained their facilities some years ago, and even though a senior person sold materials and gave information to other people/countries, because it was useful and a &#039;friend&#039; of the US, very little happened. Now we have a situation where those who we purport to be fighting against(Taliban &amp; Al Qaeda)could get their hands on nuclear weapons in that country.Scary stuff!Iran was offered nuclear weapon information and assistance when the US &#039;planted&#039; the Shah to power - thank goodness it didn&#039;t happen!

Paul Howes  can&#039;t give any guarantee, that those who have access to nuclear materials today, will be the same people in power in a few years time; but more importantly, there&#039;s no guarantee that they can be trusted anyway? It&#039;s irresponsible to even contemplate  putting more dangerous radioactive materials into the environment, when the amount there now is almost at crisis point; to take a chance on these materials being lost or stolen(plenty of incidents in the past); that there&#039;ll be no long term damage to either humans or other life, either flora or fauna; that companies can be trusted to clean up their mess, and that governments can be trusted to tell the people the truth. I recall during the Howard Govt, when the then Minister, Julie Bishop was asked many times about the alleged leaks from Lucas Heights. She had to be &#039;dragged&#039; to the despatch box with a half answer, which ultimately meant - yes! It took weeks!

When all these factors are taken into account, coupled with the fact that the source of nuclear power won&#039;t last forever; that solar power for base load use is perhaps only a few years away, it would be madness to even entertain the idea of nuclear power. There&#039;s enough energy derived via the sun in this country in one day, to supply the world&#039;s energy needs for one year. (Professor IanLowe, ACF 7.30Report &#039;o7?)If I had my way, there&#039;d be no uranium mines in the country. Leave the damned stuff in the ground, and slowly close down nuclear reactors for solar or wind or ??When Bob Hawke gave the green light to another uranium mine in the 80&#039;s, he gave the &#039;middle finger&#039; to the hard working and committed members of the ALP - I never went to another meeting, nor did I work on a polling booth again! Such was my disgust with his arrogance over &#039;no more uranium mines&#039; policy that had taken years to bring about!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROGER CLIFTON - Like Dr Jim Green, we&#8217;ve been around for years. But experts like Jim have been overlooked by those with other barrows to push. I also understand, that if all other methods of providing electricity were changed over to nuclear, the available uranium would last less than 20 years. Then we&#8217;d have to look for alternatives - wouldn&#8217;t it be smart to do that first? Also, when the cost of nuclear power is quoted by pro people, they don&#8217;t include the costs of security (police to accompany transport or uranium and waste); transport; health or ill health of uranium miners; damage to the environment (or cleaning up the mess?); the fact that a third of the energy in a nuclear power plant is wasted via evaporation(into the air?); uses heaps of water per hour; and the dismantling of nuclear reactors usually has to involve government finances, that is our money! The cost is usually underestimated, and the end cost is huge. Even then, you can&#8217;t just build a sports field where a nuclear reactor has been? </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no safe storage of high level radioactive materials anywhere in the world. The storage on site/s is building up each year, and it&#8217;s a wonder there hasn&#8217;t been another serious &#8216;incident&#8217; with the dangers of Chernobyl. The recent practice of the US in using depleted uranium in bombs is just horrific. There&#8217;s plenty of evidence of increases in birth deformities and cancers in many countries in recent years, and will only grow in the future - it&#8217;s just horrific - Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia etc.The way our cities and towns are organised around this country means that the nuclear plants would be situated close to communities - they require access to large sources of water. Port Kembla, in the Illawarra, NSW, has been given as a possible site for a reactor? What? Next to Blue Scope Steel or the oil storage depots? Great stuff! We&#8217;ve already had a serious incident some time ago that thankfully didn&#8217;t involve a nuclear reactor, but a man died, and it was a very serious situation for some hours. The site was removed of all workers? One of my sons was working in the area, and it was frightening! We have a serious shortage of water, it&#8217;s just ridiculous to engage in any activity that would worsen this situation. </p>
<p>The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is in need of a serious overhaul. We have a situation where some countries have nuclear weapons without any accountability(Israel, Pakistan and India) but countries who&#8217;ve signed the Treaty, and have the right to enrich uranium for power generation are threatened with military action(Iran)? Pakistan gained their facilities some years ago, and even though a senior person sold materials and gave information to other people/countries, because it was useful and a &#8216;friend&#8217; of the US, very little happened. Now we have a situation where those who we purport to be fighting against(Taliban &amp; Al Qaeda)could get their hands on nuclear weapons in that country.Scary stuff!Iran was offered nuclear weapon information and assistance when the US &#8216;planted&#8217; the Shah to power - thank goodness it didn&#8217;t happen!</p>
<p>Paul Howes  can&#8217;t give any guarantee, that those who have access to nuclear materials today, will be the same people in power in a few years time; but more importantly, there&#8217;s no guarantee that they can be trusted anyway? It&#8217;s irresponsible to even contemplate  putting more dangerous radioactive materials into the environment, when the amount there now is almost at crisis point; to take a chance on these materials being lost or stolen(plenty of incidents in the past); that there&#8217;ll be no long term damage to either humans or other life, either flora or fauna; that companies can be trusted to clean up their mess, and that governments can be trusted to tell the people the truth. I recall during the Howard Govt, when the then Minister, Julie Bishop was asked many times about the alleged leaks from Lucas Heights. She had to be &#8216;dragged&#8217; to the despatch box with a half answer, which ultimately meant - yes! It took weeks!</p>
<p>When all these factors are taken into account, coupled with the fact that the source of nuclear power won&#8217;t last forever; that solar power for base load use is perhaps only a few years away, it would be madness to even entertain the idea of nuclear power. There&#8217;s enough energy derived via the sun in this country in one day, to supply the world&#8217;s energy needs for one year. (Professor IanLowe, ACF 7.30Report &#8216;o7?)If I had my way, there&#8217;d be no uranium mines in the country. Leave the damned stuff in the ground, and slowly close down nuclear reactors for solar or wind or ??When Bob Hawke gave the green light to another uranium mine in the 80&#8217;s, he gave the &#8216;middle finger&#8217; to the hard working and committed members of the ALP - I never went to another meeting, nor did I work on a polling booth again! Such was my disgust with his arrogance over &#8216;no more uranium mines&#8217; policy that had taken years to bring about!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Beaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Beaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;a  technical problem around the middle there. 

Jim refers to &#039;4th generation FUSION&#039; reactors are yet to generate a single watt of useful power, presumably following Howes similar error.

The &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;4th Gen reactors&lt;/a&gt; usually referred to are the 4th Gen FISSION reactors, or so called &quot;fast breeders&quot;. These reactors have the advantage of &#039;burning&#039; different fuels and consuming the fuels that could be used to create nuclear bombs. They also &#039;fail safe&#039; and are not susceptible to the run away reactions that caused Chernobyl to let go. As far as I know 4th Gen reactors are not commercially operating just yet.

FUSION power is entirely experimental and probably 25 years away from even a demonstration plant. But goodness, if we crack that one, a lot of problems will vanish.


None of this explains why people keep banging on about a nuclear industry in Australia. The Switkowski report was in my opinion pretty unequivocal on the topic; more expensive, too slow to be implemented and negligible CO2 savings. Further, it&#039;s politically impossible. Sqitkowski advocated 15-25 reactors would be required to make the system cost effective; which party would go to an election with a &quot;20 nuclear reactor&quot; policy???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;a  technical problem around the middle there. </p>
<p>Jim refers to &#8216;4th generation FUSION&#8217; reactors are yet to generate a single watt of useful power, presumably following Howes similar error.</p>
<p>The <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor" rel="nofollow">4th Gen reactors</a> usually referred to are the 4th Gen FISSION reactors, or so called &#8220;fast breeders&#8221;. These reactors have the advantage of &#8216;burning&#8217; different fuels and consuming the fuels that could be used to create nuclear bombs. They also &#8216;fail safe&#8217; and are not susceptible to the run away reactions that caused Chernobyl to let go. As far as I know 4th Gen reactors are not commercially operating just yet.</p>
<p>FUSION power is entirely experimental and probably 25 years away from even a demonstration plant. But goodness, if we crack that one, a lot of problems will vanish.</p>
<p>None of this explains why people keep banging on about a nuclear industry in Australia. The Switkowski report was in my opinion pretty unequivocal on the topic; more expensive, too slow to be implemented and negligible CO2 savings. Further, it&#8217;s politically impossible. Sqitkowski advocated 15-25 reactors would be required to make the system cost effective; which party would go to an election with a &#8220;20 nuclear reactor&#8221; policy???</p>
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		<title>By: paddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROTFL
&quot;Cheese is winning&quot;.  Yay!!!
Wallace *will* be pleased.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROTFL<br />
&#8220;Cheese is winning&#8221;.  Yay!!!<br />
Wallace *will* be pleased.  <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Liz45</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROGER CLIFTON</description>
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		<title>By: Roger Clifton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Clifton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this sort of rhetoric work were instead applied to eliminating carbon power, we might avoid a more dreadful future that is becoming increasingly certain.  Where have all our environmentalists been when we need them? Could it be that they have been accepting money from the gas industry? 

If the world&#039;s environmental groups were to apply the courage of their convictions to rejecting funding from the fossil fuels industries, an entirely different rhetoric might emerge. Yes, &quot;fossil fuels&quot; does include gas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this sort of rhetoric work were instead applied to eliminating carbon power, we might avoid a more dreadful future that is becoming increasingly certain.  Where have all our environmentalists been when we need them? Could it be that they have been accepting money from the gas industry? </p>
<p>If the world&#8217;s environmental groups were to apply the courage of their convictions to rejecting funding from the fossil fuels industries, an entirely different rhetoric might emerge. Yes, &#8220;fossil fuels&#8221; does include gas.</p>
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