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	<title>Comments on: The PM v Chris Mitchell: the feud hots up</title>
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		<title>By: RaymondChurch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34955</link>
		<dc:creator>RaymondChurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pleasure Venise, not that I have the ability with words you do, but one can but try.
Have been attempting to fathom out a raving right ranter at the thread &quot;Rudd&#039;s stimulus has nothing to do with the economy&quot;. Another lost cause :-)
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pleasure Venise, not that I have the ability with words you do, but one can but try.<br />
Have been attempting to fathom out a raving right ranter at the thread &#8220;Rudd&#8217;s stimulus has nothing to do with the economy&#8221;. Another lost cause <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34925</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAYMOND CHURCH: You do me the world of good. I&#039;m having a bleak time at the moment. Bitter, hate-filled and greedy children, the legal profession, all sorts of unwanted trouble. However, I read your comments and immediately I feel better.

Thanks and cheers!

Venise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAYMOND CHURCH: You do me the world of good. I&#8217;m having a bleak time at the moment. Bitter, hate-filled and greedy children, the legal profession, all sorts of unwanted trouble. However, I read your comments and immediately I feel better.</p>
<p>Thanks and cheers!</p>
<p>Venise</p>
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		<title>By: RaymondChurch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34865</link>
		<dc:creator>RaymondChurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venice after yesterdays &#039;performance&#039; during QT in the House by the Opposition, I am now convinced the lunatics are indeed running the asylum.
I am fortunate (or not) my lunch hour coincides with question time so I catch the circus performance regularly. My interest at the moment is how much longer Speaker Jenkins will tolerate the insolence from Princess Pyne, who masquerades as Manager of Opposition Business. I had thought Joe Hockey was a little over the top, but given the nature of the job and Joe&#039;s friendly disposition he usually raised a smile when told to seat the ample rump. Alas the actions of Pyne bring no credit on himself or the high position he holds. I doubt it is doing a hellava lot for the current public perception of the Opposition as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venice after yesterdays &#8216;performance&#8217; during QT in the House by the Opposition, I am now convinced the lunatics are indeed running the asylum.<br />
I am fortunate (or not) my lunch hour coincides with question time so I catch the circus performance regularly. My interest at the moment is how much longer Speaker Jenkins will tolerate the insolence from Princess Pyne, who masquerades as Manager of Opposition Business. I had thought Joe Hockey was a little over the top, but given the nature of the job and Joe&#8217;s friendly disposition he usually raised a smile when told to seat the ample rump. Alas the actions of Pyne bring no credit on himself or the high position he holds. I doubt it is doing a hellava lot for the current public perception of the Opposition as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34764</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAYMOND CHURCH: There are times when my perception of Malcolm he Mad is that he is a microcosm of the Liberal Party. He has, in abundance, the born to rule ethos compounded by hauteur, arrogance and a sort of  &#039;You&#039;re here to help me but you don&#039;t help me because you are so bitterly stupid you cannot understand me, so I have to keep  explaining to you, over and over again&#039; attitude, together with a &#039;If you didn&#039;t get it that time, try this version instead. Still not got it? Well we&#039;ll try  yet another version&#039;.
For some strange reason there are quite influential people who perceive Malcolm Turnbull to be a man of the present, leading a Party of the past perhaps? 
To me, he is the epitome of the eighteenth century man. The sort who went out to India, made a fortune, ordered the wogs around, had his large format photos taken with the regulation slaughtered tigers of the latest shoot of Sir Ramatoule Uppabum the Maharajah of Meerut. Then retired to Brighton (Eng) feeling the world had passed him by and spent hours writing to the Times complaining about the Prime Minister.
Regretably, this sort of person today, gets to run for political office. I think it&#039;s called having your cake and eating it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAYMOND CHURCH: There are times when my perception of Malcolm he Mad is that he is a microcosm of the Liberal Party. He has, in abundance, the born to rule ethos compounded by hauteur, arrogance and a sort of  &#8216;You&#8217;re here to help me but you don&#8217;t help me because you are so bitterly stupid you cannot understand me, so I have to keep  explaining to you, over and over again&#8217; attitude, together with a &#8216;If you didn&#8217;t get it that time, try this version instead. Still not got it? Well we&#8217;ll try  yet another version&#8217;.<br />
For some strange reason there are quite influential people who perceive Malcolm Turnbull to be a man of the present, leading a Party of the past perhaps?<br />
To me, he is the epitome of the eighteenth century man. The sort who went out to India, made a fortune, ordered the wogs around, had his large format photos taken with the regulation slaughtered tigers of the latest shoot of Sir Ramatoule Uppabum the Maharajah of Meerut. Then retired to Brighton (Eng) feeling the world had passed him by and spent hours writing to the Times complaining about the Prime Minister.<br />
Regretably, this sort of person today, gets to run for political office. I think it&#8217;s called having your cake and eating it too.</p>
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		<title>By: RaymondChurch</title>
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		<dc:creator>RaymondChurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No JC it is the right forum, it only requires you to explain yourself a little more, generalisations demand retort, specifics win hearts, some thing Malcolm the Mad has difficulty with. Thats specifics not hearts, he doesnt have  a human organ of that name, he has a thing that pumps a brand of fluid unknown to us mortals. It ensures a steady flow of stupidity, lack of political savvy, impulsiveness, deafness to common sense, irrational thinking, arrogance and susceptibility to rumour, gossip and fantasy utterances by News Ltd Jurnos. Yep you are on the right track JC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No JC it is the right forum, it only requires you to explain yourself a little more, generalisations demand retort, specifics win hearts, some thing Malcolm the Mad has difficulty with. Thats specifics not hearts, he doesnt have  a human organ of that name, he has a thing that pumps a brand of fluid unknown to us mortals. It ensures a steady flow of stupidity, lack of political savvy, impulsiveness, deafness to common sense, irrational thinking, arrogance and susceptibility to rumour, gossip and fantasy utterances by News Ltd Jurnos. Yep you are on the right track JC.</p>
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		<title>By: jchercelf</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34695</link>
		<dc:creator>jchercelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes AR - there&#039;s a woman who does look everyone in the eye - I suggested her for PM years ago saying -  &#039;she has balls&#039; - in a letter to the SMH years ago and was rubbished by someone who thought I was insulting her.  She&#039;s wonderful the best we&#039;ve seen for years.  Fun - smart and quick .. 

I was simply trying to make the point that Kevin - for whom I voted and whom I support completely - would appear much stronger - if only he would  look his questioner in the eye - .

This is obviously the wrong forum to attempt to raise a slightly different issue?

JC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes AR - there&#8217;s a woman who does look everyone in the eye - I suggested her for PM years ago saying -  &#8216;she has balls&#8217; - in a letter to the SMH years ago and was rubbished by someone who thought I was insulting her.  She&#8217;s wonderful the best we&#8217;ve seen for years.  Fun - smart and quick .. </p>
<p>I was simply trying to make the point that Kevin - for whom I voted and whom I support completely - would appear much stronger - if only he would  look his questioner in the eye - .</p>
<p>This is obviously the wrong forum to attempt to raise a slightly different issue?</p>
<p>JC</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34682</link>
		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, but the comments???! If Krudd was the figurehead for whom many, erstwhile leftists voted, he would have come out and siad &quot;YEH, CGT on silvertail house churning&quot;. He didn&#039;t coz he ain&#039;t but better than the alternative, more Rodent. 
JC, if you have the chance, watch PMQ for the odd occasion Ms Gillard rises - a human being, intelligent and (one hopes) empathetic. She&#039;s done the hard yards of rubber chook and faction/machine meetings and is still standing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, but the comments???! If Krudd was the figurehead for whom many, erstwhile leftists voted, he would have come out and siad &#8220;YEH, CGT on silvertail house churning&#8221;. He didn&#8217;t coz he ain&#8217;t but better than the alternative, more Rodent.<br />
JC, if you have the chance, watch PMQ for the odd occasion Ms Gillard rises - a human being, intelligent and (one hopes) empathetic. She&#8217;s done the hard yards of rubber chook and faction/machine meetings and is still standing.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34681</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JOSE CARRERAS: As soon as someone starts invoking the name of god you should know they don&#039;t have a leg to stand on. Because the minute they know they&#039;re losing, wham, out comes the &#039;g&#039; word. Let her be, she is a loose pop-gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOSE CARRERAS: As soon as someone starts invoking the name of god you should know they don&#8217;t have a leg to stand on. Because the minute they know they&#8217;re losing, wham, out comes the &#8216;g&#8217; word. Let her be, she is a loose pop-gun.</p>
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		<title>By: jchercelf</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34665</link>
		<dc:creator>jchercelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God has a capital G - and thanks for clearing that up for me Jose

  JC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God has a capital G - and thanks for clearing that up for me Jose</p>
<p>  JC</p>
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		<title>By: jose carreras</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34662</link>
		<dc:creator>jose carreras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For gods sake JC, did you even read this article? There was no possiblility of a tax on homes worth more than $2m. Ltd News newspaper just made it up. Should the government really address every question proffered that is based on something completely made up?
What about if next question time the opposition asks the government about it&#039;s plans to invade South Africa? Is that sort of rubbish really worth the time to respond to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For gods sake JC, did you even read this article? There was no possiblility of a tax on homes worth more than $2m. Ltd News newspaper just made it up. Should the government really address every question proffered that is based on something completely made up?<br />
What about if next question time the opposition asks the government about it&#8217;s plans to invade South Africa? Is that sort of rubbish really worth the time to respond to?</p>
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		<title>By: jchercelf</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34654</link>
		<dc:creator>jchercelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Joyce, I thought the possibility of a of tax on a $2m plus family home was a serious question from the Opposition, given that Mr Henry is a serious fellow?

However the non-reply of both Swain and Rudd on this matter will send hundreds maybe thousands to their smart people to work out how to foil this whiff of such a tax.

Meanwhile I am having a quiet laugh at your efforts to educate me as you obviously regard me as a lesser person - and thus unaware of the ways of the world ?

 JC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Joyce, I thought the possibility of a of tax on a $2m plus family home was a serious question from the Opposition, given that Mr Henry is a serious fellow?</p>
<p>However the non-reply of both Swain and Rudd on this matter will send hundreds maybe thousands to their smart people to work out how to foil this whiff of such a tax.</p>
<p>Meanwhile I am having a quiet laugh at your efforts to educate me as you obviously regard me as a lesser person - and thus unaware of the ways of the world ?</p>
<p> JC</p>
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		<title>By: RaymondChurch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34641</link>
		<dc:creator>RaymondChurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-) JC you will be waiting a long long time for a serious question from the Opposition. Although if anyone was to take notice of the dribble that comes from the Opposition Mgr of Business, Princess Pyne you would be forgiven for assuming every Opposition question was serious. Give me a break, its a rabble and are treated as such, they deserve nothing else. As you are not into a good laugh and sheer entertainment then QT is certainly not for you. Regardless of your dislike of how the forum is used,nothing will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  JC you will be waiting a long long time for a serious question from the Opposition. Although if anyone was to take notice of the dribble that comes from the Opposition Mgr of Business, Princess Pyne you would be forgiven for assuming every Opposition question was serious. Give me a break, its a rabble and are treated as such, they deserve nothing else. As you are not into a good laugh and sheer entertainment then QT is certainly not for you. Regardless of your dislike of how the forum is used,nothing will change.</p>
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		<title>By: jchercelf</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34633</link>
		<dc:creator>jchercelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mr Joyce - I do watch QT but not regularly - however I do not approve of the use of this forum - whatever its history may be - for childish performances from either side. 

If the Government would answer the question and stop hitting the dog of an Opposition in any reply- we may learn something worth hearing.

On your instruction on the real reason for QT - and your other advice Mr Church - I&#039;ll stop watching QT  - if you will send me a message on the day  Mr Rudd looks into the eyes of a  serious questioner in a serious answer to the question.

JC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr Joyce - I do watch QT but not regularly - however I do not approve of the use of this forum - whatever its history may be - for childish performances from either side. </p>
<p>If the Government would answer the question and stop hitting the dog of an Opposition in any reply- we may learn something worth hearing.</p>
<p>On your instruction on the real reason for QT - and your other advice Mr Church - I&#8217;ll stop watching QT  - if you will send me a message on the day  Mr Rudd looks into the eyes of a  serious questioner in a serious answer to the question.</p>
<p>JC</p>
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		<title>By: RaymondChurch</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34616</link>
		<dc:creator>RaymondChurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get off the grass Joan!!!! Question Time is all about dramatics, being on stage, performing, use your props, the promps are right behind you and sometimes in front.Your mate Howard used his collegues to great effect, Cossie was at his best &#039;performing&#039; to his audience, his devotees on the benches. Dont come the ole look the enemy in the eye, Rudd plays to where he feels at home. Your accusation makes it sound as if he is the first. Obviously you are not an avid watcher of QT, the arena where Ministers are in the spotlight and love every minute of it, regardless of their political bent. Good try at an underarm delivery Joan, sorry &quot;no ball&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get off the grass Joan!!!! Question Time is all about dramatics, being on stage, performing, use your props, the promps are right behind you and sometimes in front.Your mate Howard used his collegues to great effect, Cossie was at his best &#8216;performing&#8217; to his audience, his devotees on the benches. Dont come the ole look the enemy in the eye, Rudd plays to where he feels at home. Your accusation makes it sound as if he is the first. Obviously you are not an avid watcher of QT, the arena where Ministers are in the spotlight and love every minute of it, regardless of their political bent. Good try at an underarm delivery Joan, sorry &#8220;no ball&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: jchercelf</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/the-pm-v-chris-mitchell-the-feud-hots-up/#comment-34605</link>
		<dc:creator>jchercelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t care less what Kevin Rudd thinks of Mr Mitchell, the Oz or anything else - but until he looks his questioner in the eye during Question Time - I must feel less of him as this is the act of a gutless man.

Show us you are honest enough to do what we voted for Kevin.

Joan Croll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t care less what Kevin Rudd thinks of Mr Mitchell, the Oz or anything else - but until he looks his questioner in the eye during Question Time - I must feel less of him as this is the act of a gutless man.</p>
<p>Show us you are honest enough to do what we voted for Kevin.</p>
<p>Joan Croll</p>
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		<title>By: michael crook</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael crook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonetheless, now that the ABC has morphed into Fox news (Foreign correspondent report on Venezuela, The East Timor rice contract affair, The Insiders) the conservatives are getting regular access to the ABC viewing public (about 16%)  . Hopefully, this audience is a little better able to discriminate fact from fiction than the OZ readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonetheless, now that the ABC has morphed into Fox news (Foreign correspondent report on Venezuela, The East Timor rice contract affair, The Insiders) the conservatives are getting regular access to the ABC viewing public (about 16%)  . Hopefully, this audience is a little better able to discriminate fact from fiction than the OZ readers.</p>
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