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		<title>By: John Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/barry-ofarrell-sticks-his-neck-out-on-donations-reform/#comment-34789</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 06:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee I can only admire your research, but you have it dead wrong about the Liberal Party&#039;s policy on donations.  I should know, I used t be a Liberal Party MP.  Long before it was necessary to report political donations; the Liberal Party had a policy of requiring its MPs to have nothing to do with receiving donations. Donations could only be received by a party official and all donations were to be channelled through a bank account held by the Liberal Party and ideally through head office to guard against donors exercising improper influence on MPs.  Additionally this procedure was strengthened after 1988, to prevent a reoccurrence of what was famously called &quot;Community Polling&quot;, where the Parliamentary Party had a campaign fund which was independent of the Party organisation.  By sending donations to head office, Barry is following long standing Party practice that was established long before political donations had to be disclosed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee I can only admire your research, but you have it dead wrong about the Liberal Party&#8217;s policy on donations.  I should know, I used t be a Liberal Party MP.  Long before it was necessary to report political donations; the Liberal Party had a policy of requiring its MPs to have nothing to do with receiving donations. Donations could only be received by a party official and all donations were to be channelled through a bank account held by the Liberal Party and ideally through head office to guard against donors exercising improper influence on MPs.  Additionally this procedure was strengthened after 1988, to prevent a reoccurrence of what was famously called &#8220;Community Polling&#8221;, where the Parliamentary Party had a campaign fund which was independent of the Party organisation.  By sending donations to head office, Barry is following long standing Party practice that was established long before political donations had to be disclosed.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/barry-ofarrell-sticks-his-neck-out-on-donations-reform/#comment-34708</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what sort of person writes anonymously on a web site, and yet keeps month old letters published in the Herald on file?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what sort of person writes anonymously on a web site, and yet keeps month old letters published in the Herald on file?</p>
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		<title>By: gianni</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/barry-ofarrell-sticks-his-neck-out-on-donations-reform/#comment-34693</link>
		<dc:creator>gianni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I used to be quite favorably disposed to the Greens until they started concentrating all their efforts on this sort of mud-slinging.

...

They’re even opposed to public transport projects. As well as housing anywhere near where they live – in leafy Ku-ring-gai!
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There was a Russell Edwards who wrote the following  less than empathetic letter to the Sydney Morning Herald on July 15.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Rozelle whingers can sell

Those &quot;bad vibrations&quot; in Rozelle are actually signals that it is a  good time to buy property in the area (&quot;Locals don earmuffs as suburb  rocks to bad vibrations&quot;, July 14). Some of those whingers with water  views might like to sell. When all the projects such as White Bay and  the busway are finished, but especially the Metro line, residents will  be sitting on a goldmine. But no doubt they, like the Mayor, Jamie  Parker, will find something else to complain about.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tough luck for local residents if the drilling and excavation associated with the CDB Metro&#039;s construction will force them from their homes. Drummoyne, incidentally is just on the other side of the Iron Cove Bridge, and won&#039;t be troubled by tunnels.  

While Mr Edwards&#039; letter could have been written by Michael Costa while off his meds, the local Rozelle ALP branch joined with the Greens in opposing the duplication of the Iron Cove Bridge that Mr Edwards embraced.

Unlike the Russell Edwards of the SMH letter, the local ALP branches in the seat of Balmain would actually like to retain the seat for the ALP, instead of handing it over the Greens, and aren&#039;t very keen on the Metro either. 

They can&#039;t see the point of spending $5.8 billion dollars for a useless tunnel to Rozelle that, as well as causing local disruption and resentment, will force everyone travelling into the city from the west on the CityRail network to change trains at Central. This is because the only way for the NSW government to avoid the CBD Metro being a complete financial and planning disaster is to disrupt the rest of the CityRail network and force commuters onto the Metro.

For Labor voters living west of Central, and there are rather a lot of them, this bizarre decision isn&#039;t something that will engender much of a sense of gratitude and affection towards ALP. But as Russell Edwards helpfully suggested, if they don&#039;t like it, they can move somewhere else. The CBD Metro strategy document has to be the most expensive suicide note ever written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
I used to be quite favorably disposed to the Greens until they started concentrating all their efforts on this sort of mud-slinging.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>They’re even opposed to public transport projects. As well as housing anywhere near where they live – in leafy Ku-ring-gai!
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<p>There was a Russell Edwards who wrote the following  less than empathetic letter to the Sydney Morning Herald on July 15.</p>
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Rozelle whingers can sell</p>
<p>Those &#8220;bad vibrations&#8221; in Rozelle are actually signals that it is a  good time to buy property in the area (&#8220;Locals don earmuffs as suburb  rocks to bad vibrations&#8221;, July 14). Some of those whingers with water  views might like to sell. When all the projects such as White Bay and  the busway are finished, but especially the Metro line, residents will  be sitting on a goldmine. But no doubt they, like the Mayor, Jamie  Parker, will find something else to complain about.
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<p>Tough luck for local residents if the drilling and excavation associated with the CDB Metro&#8217;s construction will force them from their homes. Drummoyne, incidentally is just on the other side of the Iron Cove Bridge, and won&#8217;t be troubled by tunnels.  </p>
<p>While Mr Edwards&#8217; letter could have been written by Michael Costa while off his meds, the local Rozelle ALP branch joined with the Greens in opposing the duplication of the Iron Cove Bridge that Mr Edwards embraced.</p>
<p>Unlike the Russell Edwards of the SMH letter, the local ALP branches in the seat of Balmain would actually like to retain the seat for the ALP, instead of handing it over the Greens, and aren&#8217;t very keen on the Metro either. </p>
<p>They can&#8217;t see the point of spending $5.8 billion dollars for a useless tunnel to Rozelle that, as well as causing local disruption and resentment, will force everyone travelling into the city from the west on the CityRail network to change trains at Central. This is because the only way for the NSW government to avoid the CBD Metro being a complete financial and planning disaster is to disrupt the rest of the CityRail network and force commuters onto the Metro.</p>
<p>For Labor voters living west of Central, and there are rather a lot of them, this bizarre decision isn&#8217;t something that will engender much of a sense of gratitude and affection towards ALP. But as Russell Edwards helpfully suggested, if they don&#8217;t like it, they can move somewhere else. The CBD Metro strategy document has to be the most expensive suicide note ever written.</p>
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		<title>By: Ailie Bruins</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/barry-ofarrell-sticks-his-neck-out-on-donations-reform/#comment-34688</link>
		<dc:creator>Ailie Bruins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If  Barry O&#039;Farrell is to keep his word he will have to bite the hand that feeds him and his party. Will Mr O&#039;Farrell  have the guts to put the party hacks, stacks and fat cats  on a diet?  If Mr O&#039;Farrell does not keep his word then NSW  is  destined to  have more of the same - government by property developers, public relations consultants and large corporations; and not government for the people by the people. And thanks Lee Rhiannon for your fantastic website Democracy 4$ale, collating these  declared political donations, a job  the NSW Electoral Funding authority does not seem to manage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If  Barry O&#8217;Farrell is to keep his word he will have to bite the hand that feeds him and his party. Will Mr O&#8217;Farrell  have the guts to put the party hacks, stacks and fat cats  on a diet?  If Mr O&#8217;Farrell does not keep his word then NSW  is  destined to  have more of the same - government by property developers, public relations consultants and large corporations; and not government for the people by the people. And thanks Lee Rhiannon for your fantastic website Democracy 4$ale, collating these  declared political donations, a job  the NSW Electoral Funding authority does not seem to manage.</p>
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		<title>By: Bogdanovist</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/barry-ofarrell-sticks-his-neck-out-on-donations-reform/#comment-34679</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogdanovist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael James: There is a big difference between getting funding from a corporation and getting it from an activist group. The very purpose of Greenpeace and other NGO&#039;s is to lobby for environmental issues, so if they channelled some money to politicians engaged in the same issues, that seems completely reasonable. Greenpeace are not a &#039;company&#039;, they don&#039;t trade anything. 

You can&#039;t compare Greenpeace etc to a bank or a property developer, which are organisations that exist for profit (not that there is anything wrong with that) rather than political ends. There is no good reason for a corporation to be giving money to politicians. If they weren&#039;t getting anything for their cash they wouldn&#039;t pay it, and if they do get something for it is is corruption.

@Russell: Regardless of what you think of the Greens more broadly, it&#039;s hardly mud slinging to be keeping everyone to account on such a crucial issue. Political donations, especially to state politicians, is the huge Woolly Mammoth in the room of Australian Politics.

Because it has been the system for so long that political parties are supported via corporate donations, we seem to just accept that this is the system. If you step back from it for a moment though, it really makes no sense and changes need to be made. This is just one reform we need to ensure we can have good governance in NSW in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael James: There is a big difference between getting funding from a corporation and getting it from an activist group. The very purpose of Greenpeace and other NGO&#8217;s is to lobby for environmental issues, so if they channelled some money to politicians engaged in the same issues, that seems completely reasonable. Greenpeace are not a &#8216;company&#8217;, they don&#8217;t trade anything. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t compare Greenpeace etc to a bank or a property developer, which are organisations that exist for profit (not that there is anything wrong with that) rather than political ends. There is no good reason for a corporation to be giving money to politicians. If they weren&#8217;t getting anything for their cash they wouldn&#8217;t pay it, and if they do get something for it is is corruption.</p>
<p>@Russell: Regardless of what you think of the Greens more broadly, it&#8217;s hardly mud slinging to be keeping everyone to account on such a crucial issue. Political donations, especially to state politicians, is the huge Woolly Mammoth in the room of Australian Politics.</p>
<p>Because it has been the system for so long that political parties are supported via corporate donations, we seem to just accept that this is the system. If you step back from it for a moment though, it really makes no sense and changes need to be made. This is just one reform we need to ensure we can have good governance in NSW in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/barry-ofarrell-sticks-his-neck-out-on-donations-reform/#comment-34670</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be quite favorably disposed to the Greens until they started concentrating all their efforts on this sort of mud-slinging.

They are coming across as a bunch of prim, thin-lipped school spinsters, always telling us NOT to do this and NOT to do that and how we must to say NO to everything.

I attended a anti–Metro rally at Rozelle at the weekend, and Ms Rhiannon’s foot soldiers were out in force. One had a placard which read “Smell the stench of developer greed” That was about a train station!

They’re even opposed to public transport projects. As well as housing anywhere near where they live – in leafy Ku-ring-gai!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be quite favorably disposed to the Greens until they started concentrating all their efforts on this sort of mud-slinging.</p>
<p>They are coming across as a bunch of prim, thin-lipped school spinsters, always telling us NOT to do this and NOT to do that and how we must to say NO to everything.</p>
<p>I attended a anti–Metro rally at Rozelle at the weekend, and Ms Rhiannon’s foot soldiers were out in force. One had a placard which read “Smell the stench of developer greed” That was about a train station!</p>
<p>They’re even opposed to public transport projects. As well as housing anywhere near where they live – in leafy Ku-ring-gai!</p>
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		<title>By: michael james</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/barry-ofarrell-sticks-his-neck-out-on-donations-reform/#comment-34645</link>
		<dc:creator>michael james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee Rhiannon seems motivated more by malice than by common sense.  She protests that donations from Insurance Australia Group ($120), the Commonwealth Bank ($250) and Laundy Trading Pty Ltd, a large hotelier ($1490) will buy a green light for these organisations.

I am sure there are individuals who have donated more than this to support a local politician.

I am also sure that as a Greens member, she has received significant funding from organisations such as Greenpeace, and other such environmentalist / titular green groups.  

I doubt their funding was as paltry as the funding levels listed above, perhaps Ms Rhiannon would like to disclose her financial donations, both directly to her and to her party?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee Rhiannon seems motivated more by malice than by common sense.  She protests that donations from Insurance Australia Group ($120), the Commonwealth Bank ($250) and Laundy Trading Pty Ltd, a large hotelier ($1490) will buy a green light for these organisations.</p>
<p>I am sure there are individuals who have donated more than this to support a local politician.</p>
<p>I am also sure that as a Greens member, she has received significant funding from organisations such as Greenpeace, and other such environmentalist / titular green groups.  </p>
<p>I doubt their funding was as paltry as the funding levels listed above, perhaps Ms Rhiannon would like to disclose her financial donations, both directly to her and to her party?.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerrie Piper</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/18/barry-ofarrell-sticks-his-neck-out-on-donations-reform/#comment-34609</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerrie Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry O&#039;Farrell&#039;s record of defending his own electorate against rampant over-development is shamefull, in fact it is non-existent! The residents of Kur-ring-gai are not against development, but the destruction of heritage items, protected bluegum forrest and the over-development destroying amenity in all areas is beyond all common sense and reasonableness.

A landmark development proposal is before the Commission at this very moment, the site of which (1574 Pacific highway, Wagroonga) is not 200metres from O&#039;Farrell&#039;s own electoral office. This is for a 5 storey block of units, which are to be built on a 2(c)2 zoning (houses only) AND a heritage site! If this is approved, it is a major vicyory for developers - council zoning and heritage listings mean nothing!! No doubt O&#039;Farrell is too busy banking the political donations to be bothered making a submission!

Kerrie Piper and concerned residents of Gilda Ave, Wahroonga.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry O&#8217;Farrell&#8217;s record of defending his own electorate against rampant over-development is shamefull, in fact it is non-existent! The residents of Kur-ring-gai are not against development, but the destruction of heritage items, protected bluegum forrest and the over-development destroying amenity in all areas is beyond all common sense and reasonableness.</p>
<p>A landmark development proposal is before the Commission at this very moment, the site of which (1574 Pacific highway, Wagroonga) is not 200metres from O&#8217;Farrell&#8217;s own electoral office. This is for a 5 storey block of units, which are to be built on a 2(c)2 zoning (houses only) AND a heritage site! If this is approved, it is a major vicyory for developers - council zoning and heritage listings mean nothing!! No doubt O&#8217;Farrell is too busy banking the political donations to be bothered making a submission!</p>
<p>Kerrie Piper and concerned residents of Gilda Ave, Wahroonga.</p>
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