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	<title>Comments on: The national poker machine party, organic food no healthier</title>
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		<title>By: Steven McKiernan</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32930</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven McKiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure Michael James, lets begin with compulsory labelling of everything that uses genetically modified ingredients in manufacture. Then we move to organic labelling and ethical farming and agriculture practices.</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Wardle</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32918</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Wardle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that the AJCN article chose only to look at &#039;conventional&#039; nutrients (zinc, phosphorous and whatnot). The news that these nutrients are not affected by organic v non-organic farming methods is not new. What the article failed to look at, however, is the health promoting and often chemoprotective phytochemical compounds of these foods, which have demonstrated increases in organic foods. this is hardly surprising when you consider that these same compounds often form part of the plants own protective measures against pests - their &#039;immune system&#039; if you will. And although the levels of fat in many of these products does not change, the fatty acid profile (good fat to bad fat ratio) often does. These may be related to farming practises rather than organic status (a free ranging, exercising chicken is undoubtedly producing healthier muscle for meat or eggs than a sedentary one - would you rather eat an athlete or a couch potato?) but are we arguing over semantics?

Anyway, surely the nutrient levels are not why people choose buy organic food. Most organic farming bodies encourage sustainable farming techniques, contain less possibly harmful (and extensively understudied) chemical residues and provide a better a deal for small farmers. Regulation and cost of the &#039;label&#039; and &#039;branding&#039; of organic foods may be problematic but even if these foods are only equally as nutritious shouldn&#039;t these other benefits mean they ought to be encouraged anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that the AJCN article chose only to look at &#8216;conventional&#8217; nutrients (zinc, phosphorous and whatnot). The news that these nutrients are not affected by organic v non-organic farming methods is not new. What the article failed to look at, however, is the health promoting and often chemoprotective phytochemical compounds of these foods, which have demonstrated increases in organic foods. this is hardly surprising when you consider that these same compounds often form part of the plants own protective measures against pests - their &#8216;immune system&#8217; if you will. And although the levels of fat in many of these products does not change, the fatty acid profile (good fat to bad fat ratio) often does. These may be related to farming practises rather than organic status (a free ranging, exercising chicken is undoubtedly producing healthier muscle for meat or eggs than a sedentary one - would you rather eat an athlete or a couch potato?) but are we arguing over semantics?</p>
<p>Anyway, surely the nutrient levels are not why people choose buy organic food. Most organic farming bodies encourage sustainable farming techniques, contain less possibly harmful (and extensively understudied) chemical residues and provide a better a deal for small farmers. Regulation and cost of the &#8216;label&#8217; and &#8216;branding&#8217; of organic foods may be problematic but even if these foods are only equally as nutritious shouldn&#8217;t these other benefits mean they ought to be encouraged anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: robbi64</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32880</link>
		<dc:creator>robbi64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair points, Michael James, and for the record, I didn&#039;t find you all that rude. 

I think the ACCC has made some recent noises about checking the provenance of free range eggs? Apparently, there are more being sold in supermarkets than we have free range hens to lay them, so someone is not telling the truth. I do hate being lied to about this, because it interferes with my idle fantasies.

As for the study, it was funded by something called the UK Food Standards Council. Perhaps they are less inclined to check the standards of accumulated poisons, as they are not technically considered &quot;food&quot;? That&#039;s a wild guess, not anything insightful. Like you, I cannot fathom why these clever scientists went ahead with such meaningless research.

More seriously, the UK also have a government agency devoted to ensuring the &quot;organic&quot; in organic produce really is as described. Some friends over there told of how they had to let their old conventional farm lie fallow for five years before they were permitted to start farming organically. That permit was only issued after their soils had been exhaustively tested for any yucky residues. They then had to be inspected every quarter to make sure they hadn&#039;t slopped into any short cuts. I felt I could trust the UK&#039;s labelling as a consequence, but do not know how it is done here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair points, Michael James, and for the record, I didn&#8217;t find you all that rude. </p>
<p>I think the ACCC has made some recent noises about checking the provenance of free range eggs? Apparently, there are more being sold in supermarkets than we have free range hens to lay them, so someone is not telling the truth. I do hate being lied to about this, because it interferes with my idle fantasies.</p>
<p>As for the study, it was funded by something called the UK Food Standards Council. Perhaps they are less inclined to check the standards of accumulated poisons, as they are not technically considered &#8220;food&#8221;? That&#8217;s a wild guess, not anything insightful. Like you, I cannot fathom why these clever scientists went ahead with such meaningless research.</p>
<p>More seriously, the UK also have a government agency devoted to ensuring the &#8220;organic&#8221; in organic produce really is as described. Some friends over there told of how they had to let their old conventional farm lie fallow for five years before they were permitted to start farming organically. That permit was only issued after their soils had been exhaustively tested for any yucky residues. They then had to be inspected every quarter to make sure they hadn&#8217;t slopped into any short cuts. I felt I could trust the UK&#8217;s labelling as a consequence, but do not know how it is done here.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael James</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32871</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to write impolite or snide blogs, but really, Australians are getting as dumb as Americans;  and a certain type of green-yuppie Brits are even worse.  Doesn&#039;t everyone do some basic science and biology in high school anymore?  I couldn&#039;t begin to guess why anyone with a brain/education would imagine organic food should have more nutrition.  And actually the only food that still looks like the usual stuff but which will have seriously more nutrition will be GM!  Such as golden rice that has Vitamin-D (or its carotenoid precursors that give carrots their colour and a slight golden-yellow to the rice grains) engineered in and could alleviate blindness in tens of millions of desperately impoverished people around the world.

The use of the term organic is mostly a con.  How can the consumer possibly be sure of its real provenance?  The price differential combined with the gullibility of some of the public mean a huge pressure on some suppliers to fudge it--those little labels cost nothing.

Instead of being so distracted by the organic thing we should be aiming to improve agricultural and animal husbandry in general, with real enforceable laws and labels that mean something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to write impolite or snide blogs, but really, Australians are getting as dumb as Americans;  and a certain type of green-yuppie Brits are even worse.  Doesn&#8217;t everyone do some basic science and biology in high school anymore?  I couldn&#8217;t begin to guess why anyone with a brain/education would imagine organic food should have more nutrition.  And actually the only food that still looks like the usual stuff but which will have seriously more nutrition will be GM!  Such as golden rice that has Vitamin-D (or its carotenoid precursors that give carrots their colour and a slight golden-yellow to the rice grains) engineered in and could alleviate blindness in tens of millions of desperately impoverished people around the world.</p>
<p>The use of the term organic is mostly a con.  How can the consumer possibly be sure of its real provenance?  The price differential combined with the gullibility of some of the public mean a huge pressure on some suppliers to fudge it&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;those little labels cost nothing.</p>
<p>Instead of being so distracted by the organic thing we should be aiming to improve agricultural and animal husbandry in general, with real enforceable laws and labels that mean something.</p>
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		<title>By: meski</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32856</link>
		<dc:creator>meski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maccas - that which doesn&#039;t kill you makes you stronger!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maccas - that which doesn&#8217;t kill you makes you stronger!  <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: robbi64</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32848</link>
		<dc:creator>robbi64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awww Richard ... just consider an occasional macca outburst as boosting your immune system. I&#039;ve had the occasional outburst at you too, but still keep reading your Chunks. You can support organic farming, and I can support ageing journos, and we can all enjoy a free range egg. Hold your head up high today, someone thinks you&#039;re noble. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww Richard &#8230; just consider an occasional macca outburst as boosting your immune system. I&#8217;ve had the occasional outburst at you too, but still keep reading your Chunks. You can support organic farming, and I can support ageing journos, and we can all enjoy a free range egg. Hold your head up high today, someone thinks you&#8217;re noble. <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-wink.png' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Farmer</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32825</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These comments are making me feel better. If only I hadn&#039;t succumbed to that Maccas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These comments are making me feel better. If only I hadn&#8217;t succumbed to that Maccas!</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32812</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robbie- and fair enough too! I guess I was just putting a purely pragmatic point of view. I&#039;m no particular fan of animals suffering unnecessarily. Having said that, I wouldn&#039;t go so far as to say the previous happiness of my food worries me very much. To relate to your analogy, I&#039;d like someone to care about the food I was cooking because it&#039;s likely to make the food better. I&#039;d also rather they weren&#039;t having a miserable time in the kitchen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robbie- and fair enough too! I guess I was just putting a purely pragmatic point of view. I&#8217;m no particular fan of animals suffering unnecessarily. Having said that, I wouldn&#8217;t go so far as to say the previous happiness of my food worries me very much. To relate to your analogy, I&#8217;d like someone to care about the food I was cooking because it&#8217;s likely to make the food better. I&#8217;d also rather they weren&#8217;t having a miserable time in the kitchen.</p>
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		<title>By: robbi64</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32808</link>
		<dc:creator>robbi64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Organic farming was never about &quot;super nutrition&quot;. Seems like they have missed the point. Now it&#039;s being brayed about on the radio, that &quot;eating organic doesn&#039;t make you healthier&quot;. Seems like the media is going to miss the point too.

Cameron, I buy free range eggs because I like to fantasise about happy chickens. When I have watched the free range hen, I see a contented and absorbed bird scratching about in the dirt as per what comes natural to her. A caged bird never seems to have that contented or absorbed attitude. 

I think it is like eating food cooked by someone who doesn&#039;t care. I would rather eat food made by someone who was paying attention to what they were doing and taking the time to consider the flavour of the meal they are about to serve. Not, say, idly mixing up a few random ingredients while staring longingly out the window, thinking about something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Organic farming was never about &#8220;super nutrition&#8221;. Seems like they have missed the point. Now it&#8217;s being brayed about on the radio, that &#8220;eating organic doesn&#8217;t make you healthier&#8221;. Seems like the media is going to miss the point too.</p>
<p>Cameron, I buy free range eggs because I like to fantasise about happy chickens. When I have watched the free range hen, I see a contented and absorbed bird scratching about in the dirt as per what comes natural to her. A caged bird never seems to have that contented or absorbed attitude. </p>
<p>I think it is like eating food cooked by someone who doesn&#8217;t care. I would rather eat food made by someone who was paying attention to what they were doing and taking the time to consider the flavour of the meal they are about to serve. Not, say, idly mixing up a few random ingredients while staring longingly out the window, thinking about something else.</p>
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		<title>By: meski</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32799</link>
		<dc:creator>meski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More research thatt consists of nothing but collating existing articles.

A quote from Asimov&#039;s Foundation to explain my feelings :)

  Hardin remained silent for a short while. Then he said, ‘When did Lameth write his book?’
  ‘Oh- I should say about eight hundwed yeahs ago. Of cohse, he has based it lahgely on the pwevious wuhk of Gleen.’
  ‘Then why rely on him? Why not go to Arcturus and study the remains for yourself?’
  Lord Dorwin raised his eyebrows and took a pinch of snuff hurriedly. ‘Why, whatevah foah, my deah fellow?’
  ‘To get the information firsthand, of course.’
  ‘But wheahs the necessity? It seems an uncommonly woundabout and jopelessly wigmawolish method of getting anywheahs. Look heah now, I’ve dot the wuhks of the mastahs- the gweat ahchaeologists of the past. I wigh them against each othah- balance of the disagweements- analyze the conflicting statements- decide which is pwobably cowwect- and come to a conclusion. That is the scientific method. At least’- patronizingly- ‘as I see it. How insuffewably cwude it would be to go to Ahctuwus, oah to Sol, foah instance, and blundah about, when the old mastahs have covahed the gwound so much moah effectually than we could possibly hope to.’</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More research thatt consists of nothing but collating existing articles.</p>
<p>A quote from Asimov&#8217;s Foundation to explain my feelings <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>  Hardin remained silent for a short while. Then he said, ‘When did Lameth write his book?’<br />
  ‘Oh- I should say about eight hundwed yeahs ago. Of cohse, he has based it lahgely on the pwevious wuhk of Gleen.’<br />
  ‘Then why rely on him? Why not go to Arcturus and study the remains for yourself?’<br />
  Lord Dorwin raised his eyebrows and took a pinch of snuff hurriedly. ‘Why, whatevah foah, my deah fellow?’<br />
  ‘To get the information firsthand, of course.’<br />
  ‘But wheahs the necessity? It seems an uncommonly woundabout and jopelessly wigmawolish method of getting anywheahs. Look heah now, I’ve dot the wuhks of the mastahs- the gweat ahchaeologists of the past. I wigh them against each othah- balance of the disagweements- analyze the conflicting statements- decide which is pwobably cowwect- and come to a conclusion. That is the scientific method. At least’- patronizingly- ‘as I see it. How insuffewably cwude it would be to go to Ahctuwus, oah to Sol, foah instance, and blundah about, when the old mastahs have covahed the gwound so much moah effectually than we could possibly hope to.’</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32794</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nutrition aside, often organic produce is just of a higher quality in terms of appearance and taste. It&#039;s the reason I buy free-range/barn laid eggs rather than cage eggs - they&#039;re a superior product.

The sustainability benefits are also difficult to overlook. I&#039;d be interested in research comparing the ecological effects and environmental practices of conventional farming compared to organic.

And yet, having said all that, there are a pretty large number of questionable assertions out there about the safety or health benefits of various types of food. It&#039;s hard to know what comes from truthiness and what comes from actual evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nutrition aside, often organic produce is just of a higher quality in terms of appearance and taste. It&#8217;s the reason I buy free-range/barn laid eggs rather than cage eggs - they&#8217;re a superior product.</p>
<p>The sustainability benefits are also difficult to overlook. I&#8217;d be interested in research comparing the ecological effects and environmental practices of conventional farming compared to organic.</p>
<p>And yet, having said all that, there are a pretty large number of questionable assertions out there about the safety or health benefits of various types of food. It&#8217;s hard to know what comes from truthiness and what comes from actual evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Heathdon McGregor</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32761</link>
		<dc:creator>Heathdon McGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do we need the label organic?Couldn&#039;t the foods just be labelled &quot;ge inside&quot; I&#039;ve read that the companies say this costs too much to re label but couldn&#039;t the law be if you change the design of your label and it contains ge then you must include this on the new label</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we need the label organic?Couldn&#8217;t the foods just be labelled &#8220;ge inside&#8221; I&#8217;ve read that the companies say this costs too much to re label but couldn&#8217;t the law be if you change the design of your label and it contains ge then you must include this on the new label</p>
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		<title>By: Steven McKiernan</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32750</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven McKiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Matthew Read, I was wondering why the researchers were looking for values of nitrogen and phosphorus, rather than residuals of organochloride pesticides, heavy metals, and bioaccumulation of polychlorinatedbiphenyls.

I am also concerned by the seemingly flexible use of &#039;nutrient quality&#039; and &#039;nutrient content&#039;, how are those two terms defined and how are they interrelated because they are definately not the same thing?

The final sentence is telling &quot;The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods.&quot; - which is precisely why organic accreditation schemes seek to invoke and promote production methods that aren&#039;t wholly related to massive inputs of pesticides, herbicides and other artificial supplements (GM) to various agricultural practices.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.28041v1 link to research paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Matthew Read, I was wondering why the researchers were looking for values of nitrogen and phosphorus, rather than residuals of organochloride pesticides, heavy metals, and bioaccumulation of polychlorinatedbiphenyls.</p>
<p>I am also concerned by the seemingly flexible use of &#8216;nutrient quality&#8217; and &#8216;nutrient content&#8217;, how are those two terms defined and how are they interrelated because they are definately not the same thing?</p>
<p>The final sentence is telling &#8220;The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods.&#8221; - which is precisely why organic accreditation schemes seek to invoke and promote production methods that aren&#8217;t wholly related to massive inputs of pesticides, herbicides and other artificial supplements (GM) to various agricultural practices.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.28041v1" rel="nofollow">http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.28041v1</a> link to research paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Zena Helman</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32748</link>
		<dc:creator>Zena Helman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also look at the farming and animal husbandry methods used by organic farmers. These are generally much better for the environment than conventional farming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also look at the farming and animal husbandry methods used by organic farmers. These are generally much better for the environment than conventional farming.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Read</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/30/richard-farmers-political-bite-sized-meaty-chunks-62/#comment-32741</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: An organic food con brings on MacDonalds

Isn&#039;t the key benefit of organic foods that they &#039;don&#039;t contain&#039; nasties, eg pesticides, and antibiotics, rather than that they are more nutritious? I suspect the study&#039;s authors were looking for the wrong benefits.</description>
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<p>Isn&#8217;t the key benefit of organic foods that they &#8216;don&#8217;t contain&#8217; nasties, eg pesticides, and antibiotics, rather than that they are more nutritious? I suspect the study&#8217;s authors were looking for the wrong benefits.</p>
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