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	<title>Comments on: Will we really love Coles? Thoughts on a female-friendly publicity stunt</title>
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		<title>By: Alastair Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alastair Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Adam, poor baby, fancy a white man having to purchase his own razor and shaving cream. Grow a beard you soft whinger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Adam, poor baby, fancy a white man having to purchase his own razor and shaving cream. Grow a beard you soft whinger</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Howard government didn&#039;t &quot;decide&quot;  to charge GST on menstrual pads and tampons, with the logic that these are “luxury items”.  It was bullied into making stupid exemptions for some items, not including tampons -- which had previously been tax exempt, contrary to urban myth. 

GST isn&#039;t a luxury tax, and the current grab bag of exemptions are not all essentials, and do not include all essentials-- however you might define that. 

If we think taxes should be used to reduce the price of tampons in a non-means tested way, leave gst out of it and just make the subsidy.

Oh, and Coles&#039; actions are just a marketing stunt.  I can&#039;&#039;t believe people take them seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Howard government didn&#8217;t &#8220;decide&#8221;  to charge GST on menstrual pads and tampons, with the logic that these are “luxury items”.  It was bullied into making stupid exemptions for some items, not including tampons&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;which had previously been tax exempt, contrary to urban myth. </p>
<p>GST isn&#8217;t a luxury tax, and the current grab bag of exemptions are not all essentials, and do not include all essentials&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;however you might define that. </p>
<p>If we think taxes should be used to reduce the price of tampons in a non-means tested way, leave gst out of it and just make the subsidy.</p>
<p>Oh, and Coles&#8217; actions are just a marketing stunt.  I can&#8221;t believe people take them seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona Mowat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona Mowat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stocked up in June 2000, just before the introduction of the GST, and only started buying the damn things again recently.

Adam and Andrew - you can choose to grow a beard, and stop buying razors. Women don&#039;t have a choice about not buying feminine hygiene products.

And women also use razors, so it&#039;s not just you blokes who are being charged GST on this product. The only time I&#039;ve ever heard of men using tampons is to stop bleeding noses on football fields. I was intrigued, but nobody has ever been able to confirm this for me.  Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stocked up in June 2000, just before the introduction of the GST, and only started buying the damn things again recently.</p>
<p>Adam and Andrew - you can choose to grow a beard, and stop buying razors. Women don&#8217;t have a choice about not buying feminine hygiene products.</p>
<p>And women also use razors, so it&#8217;s not just you blokes who are being charged GST on this product. The only time I&#8217;ve ever heard of men using tampons is to stop bleeding noses on football fields. I was intrigued, but nobody has ever been able to confirm this for me.  Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to be many more &quot;Bloke&quot; subscribers than &quot;Sheilas&quot;...  Anyone have any stats on that?

Would have expected more &quot;Sheilas&quot; to comment on this article....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to be many more &#8220;Bloke&#8221; subscribers than &#8220;Sheilas&#8221;&#8230;  Anyone have any stats on that?</p>
<p>Would have expected more &#8220;Sheilas&#8221; to comment on this article&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People seem to be forgetting the Howard govenment wanted the GST to apply to all goods, but later introduced exemptions only to get it into legislation.

This is not political campaigning by Coles, but simply a clever marketing stunt. In reality Coles still pays the GST, but gives customers small discount.

I&#039;m still waiting for them to do the same thing on shaving products as a step against discrimination of white males.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People seem to be forgetting the Howard govenment wanted the GST to apply to all goods, but later introduced exemptions only to get it into legislation.</p>
<p>This is not political campaigning by Coles, but simply a clever marketing stunt. In reality Coles still pays the GST, but gives customers small discount.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for them to do the same thing on shaving products as a step against discrimination of white males.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mel, your turn of phrase is superb. (I hope I was supposed to laugh!)
On a serious note, we can solve the debate on what should be gst free by removing ALL exemptions, creating the simple system it was meant to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel, your turn of phrase is superb. (I hope I was supposed to laugh!)<br />
On a serious note, we can solve the debate on what should be gst free by removing ALL exemptions, creating the simple system it was meant to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Barker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I&#039;d like to see razors and shaving cream GST free as well, but as a white male, I am discriminated against yet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I&#8217;d like to see razors and shaving cream GST free as well, but as a white male, I am discriminated against yet again.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...&quot;Howard government’s decision to charge GST on menstrual pads and tampons, with the logic that these are “luxury items”...... 

No - the Howard proposal (recently restated by Costello) was for everything to have GST and increased social services to be directed to those in need.

Government handouts, like GST exemption discounts, based on anything other than need are unfair on those in need who must therefore receive less. On the margin those in need must receive less social services in order to fund discounts to those without need who spent on product A rather than product B.

Though many of us would prefer to avoid tax, GST being based on actual consumption, rather than arbitrary definitions of income is, unlike some taxes, progressive. The ALP did a complete about face on GST, Keating originally proposed it. Hawke, in order to try to cut Keating down to size publicly abandoned it. Keating then won the &quot;unwinnable&quot; election by opposing it. Howard to his credit re-introduced what was originally an ALP idea. Australian Democrats  insisted on an arbitrary range of feel good exemptions for their support of GST, causing the kind of anomolies (expensive gourmet fish is GST free as fresh food, a working man&#039;s pie or pasty as a manufactured good is taxed etc ) that have uneccessarily complicated what would have been a simple virtually unavoidable tax based on the more you can afford to consume the more tax you must pay.

Exemptions can end up having unintended, unavoidable, costly and uneeded side effects. At a briefing on the GST for Tax lawyers and Accountants in early 2000 by the Australian Taxation Office, where the full range of Australian Democrat introduced complications, anomolies, discounts, and loopholes were discussed, I heard one attendee in exasperation cry out &quot;who on earth voted for them&quot;. Another more wallet focused attendee, to universal attendee acclamation responded &quot;Well we all ought to next time&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8221;Howard government’s decision to charge GST on menstrual pads and tampons, with the logic that these are “luxury items”&#8230;&#8230; </p>
<p>No - the Howard proposal (recently restated by Costello) was for everything to have GST and increased social services to be directed to those in need.</p>
<p>Government handouts, like GST exemption discounts, based on anything other than need are unfair on those in need who must therefore receive less. On the margin those in need must receive less social services in order to fund discounts to those without need who spent on product A rather than product B.</p>
<p>Though many of us would prefer to avoid tax, GST being based on actual consumption, rather than arbitrary definitions of income is, unlike some taxes, progressive. The ALP did a complete about face on GST, Keating originally proposed it. Hawke, in order to try to cut Keating down to size publicly abandoned it. Keating then won the &#8220;unwinnable&#8221; election by opposing it. Howard to his credit re-introduced what was originally an ALP idea. Australian Democrats  insisted on an arbitrary range of feel good exemptions for their support of GST, causing the kind of anomolies (expensive gourmet fish is GST free as fresh food, a working man&#8217;s pie or pasty as a manufactured good is taxed etc ) that have uneccessarily complicated what would have been a simple virtually unavoidable tax based on the more you can afford to consume the more tax you must pay.</p>
<p>Exemptions can end up having unintended, unavoidable, costly and uneeded side effects. At a briefing on the GST for Tax lawyers and Accountants in early 2000 by the Australian Taxation Office, where the full range of Australian Democrat introduced complications, anomolies, discounts, and loopholes were discussed, I heard one attendee in exasperation cry out &#8220;who on earth voted for them&#8221;. Another more wallet focused attendee, to universal attendee acclamation responded &#8220;Well we all ought to next time&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel B1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel B1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mel, you&#039;ll go a long way at Crikey (if you haven&#039;t already).

A thoughtless whinge about a price reduction! Indeed it could have been written by a Green given their bizarre ideological hatred of all things corporate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel, you&#8217;ll go a long way at Crikey (if you haven&#8217;t already).</p>
<p>A thoughtless whinge about a price reduction! Indeed it could have been written by a Green given their bizarre ideological hatred of all things corporate.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As a political protest, it’s lazy and cynical.&quot; As a thought piece, THIS is lazy and cynical. Mel, you don&#039;t honestly expect Coles to be staging political protests, do you? So why pretend to be shocked? Lame, lame, lame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>As a political protest, it’s lazy and cynical.&#8221; As a thought piece, THIS is lazy and cynical. Mel, you don&#8217;t honestly expect Coles to be staging political protests, do you? So why pretend to be shocked? Lame, lame, lame.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Kozlovski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Kozlovski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me a little of the Marks and Spencer debacle in Britain. M &amp; S attempted to charge extra money for larger bra sizes because, obviously, women can control the size of their breasts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7501911.stm

Women revolted, and they had to revoke the policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me a little of the Marks and Spencer debacle in Britain. M &amp; S attempted to charge extra money for larger bra sizes because, obviously, women can control the size of their breasts.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7501911.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7501911.stm</a></p>
<p>Women revolted, and they had to revoke the policy.</p>
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