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		<title>By: Bill Malkin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-32221</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Malkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t argue with that. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t argue with that. <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Sanderson</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-32182</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sanderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Bill, that is a cock-eyed theory. Are we to assume that your pecker-led idealism is now somewhat droopy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Bill, that is a cock-eyed theory. Are we to assume that your pecker-led idealism is now somewhat droopy?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Malkin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-32180</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Malkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Environment Movement recognised that Peter Garrett was a hypocrite when he joined Labor. It&#039;s only now that the Peter Garrett/Midnight Oil fans like me are realising this.

But then men are only idealists while it&#039;s getting them laid. Look at Gandhi for instance. He was getting laid right to the end. Once idealism isn&#039;t working, then it&#039;s a battle for money and power so they can then at least afford to pay to get laid. Peter Garrett has now successfully made that transition.

His fans, the Environment Movement and I just have to accept that fact and get over it. Everybody else just have to accept the fact that he is indeed a hypocrite and get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Environment Movement recognised that Peter Garrett was a hypocrite when he joined Labor. It&#8217;s only now that the Peter Garrett/Midnight Oil fans like me are realising this.</p>
<p>But then men are only idealists while it&#8217;s getting them laid. Look at Gandhi for instance. He was getting laid right to the end. Once idealism isn&#8217;t working, then it&#8217;s a battle for money and power so they can then at least afford to pay to get laid. Peter Garrett has now successfully made that transition.</p>
<p>His fans, the Environment Movement and I just have to accept that fact and get over it. Everybody else just have to accept the fact that he is indeed a hypocrite and get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-32165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoffrey, 

Re preselections: I will not defend Labor or Green and I don&#039;t know much about the internal workings of the Nationals. Traditionally, the Liberal Party had a number of Members crossing the floor. This didn&#039;t happen under the Howard government, which was disappointing for some Liberal supporters including myself. There were times when it would have been a reasonable thing to do. Things are changing again, the most recent example being the issue of the debts of asylum seekers being cancelled. Some Members said they would cross the floor and so the Coalition ended up not calling for a vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey, </p>
<p>Re preselections: I will not defend Labor or Green and I don&#8217;t know much about the internal workings of the Nationals. Traditionally, the Liberal Party had a number of Members crossing the floor. This didn&#8217;t happen under the Howard government, which was disappointing for some Liberal supporters including myself. There were times when it would have been a reasonable thing to do. Things are changing again, the most recent example being the issue of the debts of asylum seekers being cancelled. Some Members said they would cross the floor and so the Coalition ended up not calling for a vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Burdon</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-32138</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Burdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree generally with this article and think that the environment movement place far to much emphasis on Garret and his unquestionable shift in positions. However, as federal minister for the environment, he did have the power to require Heathgate to remunerate the groundwater rather than simply dumping mining solution into the acquirer at the end of the Institu leach mining process. Simply dumping the solution is a practice that Heathgate would not be able to carry out in North America and is a practice that has no place in civil society. People can be disappointed in Garrett, as minister for the environment in failing to take this simple step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree generally with this article and think that the environment movement place far to much emphasis on Garret and his unquestionable shift in positions. However, as federal minister for the environment, he did have the power to require Heathgate to remunerate the groundwater rather than simply dumping mining solution into the acquirer at the end of the Institu leach mining process. Simply dumping the solution is a practice that Heathgate would not be able to carry out in North America and is a practice that has no place in civil society. People can be disappointed in Garrett, as minister for the environment in failing to take this simple step.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Ross Fawthrop</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-32017</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Ross Fawthrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillian if a directly elected president would be a problem, then why are directly elected politicians not a problem? To gain pre-selection for a safe electorate in the liberal, labour, national &amp; green parties you first have to prove that you have no morals, will ignore your constituents and do as the party whip tells you no matter what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillian if a directly elected president would be a problem, then why are directly elected politicians not a problem? To gain pre-selection for a safe electorate in the liberal, labour, national &amp; green parties you first have to prove that you have no morals, will ignore your constituents and do as the party whip tells you no matter what.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31877</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venise, 

The ARM republican model and the monarchy were the only choices in the referendum. Malcolm was right to emphasise this to counteract the distortions put out by the monarchists. 

I still believe that the referendum was lost mainly because of Labor voters who didn&#039;t understand the model. Liberal republicans voted yes. Liberal monarchists voted no. Only Labor republicans were silly enough to vote no. 

Looking at the way William Deane set himself up as unofficial opposition leader from the position of Governor General, imagine what it would be like having a directly elected president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venise, </p>
<p>The ARM republican model and the monarchy were the only choices in the referendum. Malcolm was right to emphasise this to counteract the distortions put out by the monarchists. </p>
<p>I still believe that the referendum was lost mainly because of Labor voters who didn&#8217;t understand the model. Liberal republicans voted yes. Liberal monarchists voted no. Only Labor republicans were silly enough to vote no. </p>
<p>Looking at the way William Deane set himself up as unofficial opposition leader from the position of Governor General, imagine what it would be like having a directly elected president.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31812</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venise, on good activist politics - I think of it like martial arts and pressure points. You may not know the reason for the blow until the resultant damage to the nerve endings is manifest - a crumpled figure dissolving from the field of play. 

Effective activism is when someone somewhere doesn&#039;t want something published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venise, on good activist politics - I think of it like martial arts and pressure points. You may not know the reason for the blow until the resultant damage to the nerve endings is manifest - a crumpled figure dissolving from the field of play. </p>
<p>Effective activism is when someone somewhere doesn&#8217;t want something published.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31767</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillian Blackall. I  never thought of as being an elitist organization. Anyway could a Republic be more elitist than a monarchy? Also I thought one of the major things which screwed it were the two members-was one of them called Phil Cleary? He and someone else who said if you don&#039;t vote for MY form of Republicanism you can vote for the monarchy. These two men, plus John Howard&#039;s rigging the vote in the first place,  killed all hope of the Republic in my lifetime.
I cannot believe Malcolm Turnbull is a sincere person. One evening on Channel Two he had been given a piece of Liberal beat-up, to which he followed his instructions such as,&quot; It has never been Liberal Party belief etc.&quot; (it turned out he had been given the wrong answer by his minder) Without even missing one beat, or acknowledging there had been a stuff-up, he continued on as if this is what he&#039;d been saying all along. They pay actors to fake sincerity. I don&#039;t see why this should happen with our politicians.
I agree that another failed referendum would not help the cause. However, you have to realize that people, as they get older, become more and more conservative.
And Buck house has an astonishingly effective PR department. By the time QEII does depart the scene. All of those people will have been brain-washed into believing Camilla, Parker Bowles Windsor, was just born to be Queen. I stress the women in the electorate because, as we all know, they live a lot longer than the men. Also with Charles looking more and more demented Camilla will take on the PR for her future role.
The thought of any politician being sincere is akin to asking the favourite for the fourth at Ballarat to take the lead role in the ballet Swan Lake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillian Blackall. I  never thought of as being an elitist organization. Anyway could a Republic be more elitist than a monarchy? Also I thought one of the major things which screwed it were the two members-was one of them called Phil Cleary? He and someone else who said if you don&#8217;t vote for MY form of Republicanism you can vote for the monarchy. These two men, plus John Howard&#8217;s rigging the vote in the first place,  killed all hope of the Republic in my lifetime.<br />
I cannot believe Malcolm Turnbull is a sincere person. One evening on Channel Two he had been given a piece of Liberal beat-up, to which he followed his instructions such as,&#8221; It has never been Liberal Party belief etc.&#8221; (it turned out he had been given the wrong answer by his minder) Without even missing one beat, or acknowledging there had been a stuff-up, he continued on as if this is what he&#8217;d been saying all along. They pay actors to fake sincerity. I don&#8217;t see why this should happen with our politicians.<br />
I agree that another failed referendum would not help the cause. However, you have to realize that people, as they get older, become more and more conservative.<br />
And Buck house has an astonishingly effective PR department. By the time QEII does depart the scene. All of those people will have been brain-washed into believing Camilla, Parker Bowles Windsor, was just born to be Queen. I stress the women in the electorate because, as we all know, they live a lot longer than the men. Also with Charles looking more and more demented Camilla will take on the PR for her future role.<br />
The thought of any politician being sincere is akin to asking the favourite for the fourth at Ballarat to take the lead role in the ballet Swan Lake.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venise, I don&#039;t think Malcolm is a typical Lib. For example, he is very different from John Howard. 

I agree that the Australian Republican Movement was and maybe still is an elitist organisation. This was partly because it supported a model that people seemed to find hard to understand. This was evidenced by the &#039;No&#039; result despite the majority of Australians identifying as republicans. So for anyone who joined it, there was the opportunity of making business and social contacts, particularly in the eastern suburbs of Sydney. However, I strongly believe that Malcolm is a sincere person and genuinely believes in the republican cause. He has not changed this belief - he is only recommending a tactical move of waiting until the end of the Queen&#039;s reign. Another failed referendum would not help the republican cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venise, I don&#8217;t think Malcolm is a typical Lib. For example, he is very different from John Howard. </p>
<p>I agree that the Australian Republican Movement was and maybe still is an elitist organisation. This was partly because it supported a model that people seemed to find hard to understand. This was evidenced by the &#8216;No&#8217; result despite the majority of Australians identifying as republicans. So for anyone who joined it, there was the opportunity of making business and social contacts, particularly in the eastern suburbs of Sydney. However, I strongly believe that Malcolm is a sincere person and genuinely believes in the republican cause. He has not changed this belief - he is only recommending a tactical move of waiting until the end of the Queen&#8217;s reign. Another failed referendum would not help the republican cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31756</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom McLoughlin. Oddly enough I have no connection with anyone in the Labor Party. I&#039;ve never grown up really. In that I&#039;ve always thought ideals stood for something, that they mattered. Someone actually cared about the mess Oz has made of the land. I refer, of course, to the Greens. To someone like you I imagine this is like saying I&#039;d vote for the Communist Party. Which I so absolutely wouldn&#039;t.
I was brought up by my lovely grandmother and scarcely saw my mother. She had been a third rate actress. She did have blinding ambition and she and my step father mixed with as many right- wing pollies as possible. The sheer brutality of their thoughts appalled me. I don&#039;t mean they were talking about killing anyone, but their certitude and self-belief was chilling.
Once my mother gave me a georgous suede coat with a lynx collar, I have to say it was divine. However, principles are principles. I object to seeing wild animals being killed for their skins. Somehow it&#039;s a little more acceptable if the animals are farmed. I thanked her with sincerity and explained I couldn&#039;t accept it. From then on I was a Communist and boy did she spread the word around. She was the perfect example of  new money-for her everything had a price tag. Coming from the gutter she had the usual syndrome of money not being able to buy good taste or soul.
These right-wing pollies , such as Henry Bolte, Alan Hunt, no I wont go on with the names. For them things could always be fixed. And if someone expressed a view contrary to their own, they were blasted as Communist. 
Not one of them had a philosophy for the Liberal Party and Australia. They repelled me. Also they were boring at parties, I got sick of being chased by them, Susan Sangster&#039;s father was one of the worst.
I vote Green and put in Labor as my second choice. This because they attempt to have some ideals. 
Look at Malcolm Turnbull, a typical Lib; he sheds a belief like a snake sheds it&#039;s skin. I suspect that the only reason he was leading the Republicans was because there was a huge chance he could meet and mix with the new entrepreneurs. Not forgetting influence and ever more money.
I don&#039;t have much against you Tom or for you either. But you do flit around with your comments. Your syntax goes out the nearest window and I find it difficult to understand your points. Almost impossible. I guess I sort of have a vision of an avuncular gentleman who could be quite nice if he wasn&#039;t so besotted by a party devoid of morals, beliefs, or principles.
Now you know me as well as I know me. &#039;Bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom McLoughlin. Oddly enough I have no connection with anyone in the Labor Party. I&#8217;ve never grown up really. In that I&#8217;ve always thought ideals stood for something, that they mattered. Someone actually cared about the mess Oz has made of the land. I refer, of course, to the Greens. To someone like you I imagine this is like saying I&#8217;d vote for the Communist Party. Which I so absolutely wouldn&#8217;t.<br />
I was brought up by my lovely grandmother and scarcely saw my mother. She had been a third rate actress. She did have blinding ambition and she and my step father mixed with as many right- wing pollies as possible. The sheer brutality of their thoughts appalled me. I don&#8217;t mean they were talking about killing anyone, but their certitude and self-belief was chilling.<br />
Once my mother gave me a georgous suede coat with a lynx collar, I have to say it was divine. However, principles are principles. I object to seeing wild animals being killed for their skins. Somehow it&#8217;s a little more acceptable if the animals are farmed. I thanked her with sincerity and explained I couldn&#8217;t accept it. From then on I was a Communist and boy did she spread the word around. She was the perfect example of  new money-for her everything had a price tag. Coming from the gutter she had the usual syndrome of money not being able to buy good taste or soul.<br />
These right-wing pollies , such as Henry Bolte, Alan Hunt, no I wont go on with the names. For them things could always be fixed. And if someone expressed a view contrary to their own, they were blasted as Communist.<br />
Not one of them had a philosophy for the Liberal Party and Australia. They repelled me. Also they were boring at parties, I got sick of being chased by them, Susan Sangster&#8217;s father was one of the worst.<br />
I vote Green and put in Labor as my second choice. This because they attempt to have some ideals.<br />
Look at Malcolm Turnbull, a typical Lib; he sheds a belief like a snake sheds it&#8217;s skin. I suspect that the only reason he was leading the Republicans was because there was a huge chance he could meet and mix with the new entrepreneurs. Not forgetting influence and ever more money.<br />
I don&#8217;t have much against you Tom or for you either. But you do flit around with your comments. Your syntax goes out the nearest window and I find it difficult to understand your points. Almost impossible. I guess I sort of have a vision of an avuncular gentleman who could be quite nice if he wasn&#8217;t so besotted by a party devoid of morals, beliefs, or principles.<br />
Now you know me as well as I know me. &#8216;Bye.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31742</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Sanderson on ASIO, my grandfather Eric helped the spy in the Petrov Affair write his book, a guy called Michael Bialoguski, but back then it was ASO, while Eric was a sub editor or something at the SMH/war correspondent/confidant of PM Bob Menzies. I requested his security file recently but there is none apparently. I should have asked for my own after I sent several $K to Columbia in recent years. ..... go figure champ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Sanderson on ASIO, my grandfather Eric helped the spy in the Petrov Affair write his book, a guy called Michael Bialoguski, but back then it was ASO, while Eric was a sub editor or something at the SMH/war correspondent/confidant of PM Bob Menzies. I requested his security file recently but there is none apparently. I should have asked for my own after I sent several $K to Columbia in recent years. &#8230;.. go figure champ.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing about respect Keane, take notice of Mark Colvin&#039;s approach to the audience and interview subjects, where he is invariably respectful. Colvin, a veteran journalist, Oxford scholar etc, who has suffering immeasurably for his craft, is a wonderful example of a media practitioner. We can&#039;t all be so classy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing about respect Keane, take notice of Mark Colvin&#8217;s approach to the audience and interview subjects, where he is invariably respectful. Colvin, a veteran journalist, Oxford scholar etc, who has suffering immeasurably for his craft, is a wonderful example of a media practitioner. We can&#8217;t all be so classy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31740</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the response &#039;under moderation&#039; was blocked. 

In short - for Baulderstone to work for Keating and Garrett previously and not declare this speaks volumes about the ALP view of it&#039;s own obligations of transparency and accountability. It&#039;s obvious the reader should be given the information to judge for themselves. 

Regarding Keane, taken at his word not the moderator, though subscribers are not to know whether authors do the moderation, which is at least one logical approach. Further not knowing Baulderstone&#039;s role is a real deficit for a political writer (&#039;get a clue&#039; indeed), but then I&#039;m constantly impressed by Keane&#039;s breadth of policy coverage on a daily basis well beyond my knowledge base. The fact Keane knows stuff I don&#039;t doesn&#039;t change the correctness of my post or exposing Baulderstone&#039;s ostensible bias. Nor is rudeness to a paying subscriber many years now called for from a leading writer. 

Regarding Sanderson, there are suggested profiles via google. But really Sanderson why don&#039;t you do the decent thing like Baulderstone and reveal your actual antecedents? That would be an honest thing to do.

Re Venise, similar, ALP connected? Also my publishing is not about popularity or shallow issues of style, or high circulation via my blog, it&#039;s about pressure for political change using facts - for example Baulderstone&#039;s bias above, and his chutzpah claiming irrelevance. As if.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the response &#8216;under moderation&#8217; was blocked. </p>
<p>In short - for Baulderstone to work for Keating and Garrett previously and not declare this speaks volumes about the ALP view of it&#8217;s own obligations of transparency and accountability. It&#8217;s obvious the reader should be given the information to judge for themselves. </p>
<p>Regarding Keane, taken at his word not the moderator, though subscribers are not to know whether authors do the moderation, which is at least one logical approach. Further not knowing Baulderstone&#8217;s role is a real deficit for a political writer (&#8216;get a clue&#8217; indeed), but then I&#8217;m constantly impressed by Keane&#8217;s breadth of policy coverage on a daily basis well beyond my knowledge base. The fact Keane knows stuff I don&#8217;t doesn&#8217;t change the correctness of my post or exposing Baulderstone&#8217;s ostensible bias. Nor is rudeness to a paying subscriber many years now called for from a leading writer. </p>
<p>Regarding Sanderson, there are suggested profiles via google. But really Sanderson why don&#8217;t you do the decent thing like Baulderstone and reveal your actual antecedents? That would be an honest thing to do.</p>
<p>Re Venise, similar, ALP connected? Also my publishing is not about popularity or shallow issues of style, or high circulation via my blog, it&#8217;s about pressure for political change using facts - for example Baulderstone&#8217;s bias above, and his chutzpah claiming irrelevance. As if.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Keane</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31672</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard Keane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 07:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My respeck for Tom doubled - nay, redoubled - when he said he knew who the Quadrant hoaxer was, but ZOMG! carefully masked his identity to ensure it didn&#039;t lead to her discovery.  Onya mate. Chivalry is not dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My respeck for Tom doubled - nay, redoubled - when he said he knew who the Quadrant hoaxer was, but ZOMG! carefully masked his identity to ensure it didn&#8217;t lead to her discovery.  Onya mate. Chivalry is not dead.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sanderson</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31668</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sanderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, you forgot to mention that you have also been trained by ASIO to use Google and the interweb to hunt down your opponents. It must be a sad loss for them that your skills are no longer available to them now that &quot;personal security&quot; has become such a pressing concern.

I am sorry to hear about your asset situation. May I suggest that you sue me in order to redress this most unfortunate state of affairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, you forgot to mention that you have also been trained by ASIO to use Google and the interweb to hunt down your opponents. It must be a sad loss for them that your skills are no longer available to them now that &#8220;personal security&#8221; has become such a pressing concern.</p>
<p>I am sorry to hear about your asset situation. May I suggest that you sue me in order to redress this most unfortunate state of affairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31666</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My main response to Keane, Baulderstone, Sanderson, Venise, is regretably &#039;under moderation&#039; because I linked to two google potential ID&#039;s of &quot;Sanderson&quot;.

I am only adding one other comment: I&#039;ve worked for various organisations but always under my own name, I would ask you to not suggest otherwise.

The only exception being matters of personal security requiring anonymity, or say to protect someone else who could be traced through me. An example of this latter case was pseudonym when I indicated I knew who the Quadrant hoaxer Katherine Wilson was - because being a greenie, having published on Genethics before, I thought his might have led to her identity only indirectly because I don&#039;t know her personally. Then I posted on my own name that it was she 24 hours later. I strongly believe generally in saying what you mean and meaning what you say and owning it publicly. Or correcting it with grovel.

I have a law degree to help me avoid anything actionable against me, don&#039;t have assets anyway except my education, and I&#039;ve never been sued unlike say the founder of Crikey, God bless him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main response to Keane, Baulderstone, Sanderson, Venise, is regretably &#8216;under moderation&#8217; because I linked to two google potential ID&#8217;s of &#8220;Sanderson&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am only adding one other comment: I&#8217;ve worked for various organisations but always under my own name, I would ask you to not suggest otherwise.</p>
<p>The only exception being matters of personal security requiring anonymity, or say to protect someone else who could be traced through me. An example of this latter case was pseudonym when I indicated I knew who the Quadrant hoaxer Katherine Wilson was - because being a greenie, having published on Genethics before, I thought his might have led to her identity only indirectly because I don&#8217;t know her personally. Then I posted on my own name that it was she 24 hours later. I strongly believe generally in saying what you mean and meaning what you say and owning it publicly. Or correcting it with grovel.</p>
<p>I have a law degree to help me avoid anything actionable against me, don&#8217;t have assets anyway except my education, and I&#8217;ve never been sued unlike say the founder of Crikey, God bless him.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31663</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries, Bernard, don&#039;t get too upset. As you can see Baulderstone by his own admission is a serious player. Fact the moderation list mechanism re links is not explained is not my mistake but now it is clarified. For all I knew each author had employee responsibility to moderate. As you might logically think given expertise in the topic covered (?). So it&#039;s not you, who then declined Baulderstone comment (twice)?. I challenge you to name them.

I already knew about Baulderstone from back in the mid 90ies sharing the national office of The Wilderness Society in Sydney which is my expertise (you should get a clue). He&#039;s not a light weight having been env adviser to Keating including the critical time the peak green groups 1995-6 repudiated Keating and Howard got his devastating start. 

That&#039;s serious history and you are doing democracy a big favour ventilating all this on this string. Fact you didn&#039;t know is significant. But I am happy to say your coverage of broad range of policy issues day after day is quite intimidating (to me) and happy to defer to your impressive knowledge base on so many other matters. 

In short no one can know everything. And the fact it took three posts to get Baulderstone&#039;s provenance exposed is in fact an issue for crikey even given the workload. What if crikey had not published that list 5 years ago. Would my third attempt have been knocked back?

[links edited]

Venise as explained previously I am a lobbyist community media person and as such I play politics. I&#039;m not interested in good writing style or high circulation or popularity. I aim to change policy with pressure. Exposing Baulderstone all the way back to the Keating machine biased defense of Garrett is all about pressure on the Rudd Govt who as you will have noticed has been forced to expend his political capital of coverage of his business woman wife Rein. Itself squandered given the murders in Jakarta bombing.

Unlike alot of readers I&#039;ve been a candidate, elected, held pressers etc and had a degree of success. I write from a real politik not a populist view. If you don&#039;t get it, keep trying or give it up, doesn&#039;t worry me. Fact you repeat your whinge suggests a whisper in your heart you know there is a world of expertise out there you want a piece of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, Bernard, don&#8217;t get too upset. As you can see Baulderstone by his own admission is a serious player. Fact the moderation list mechanism re links is not explained is not my mistake but now it is clarified. For all I knew each author had employee responsibility to moderate. As you might logically think given expertise in the topic covered (?). So it&#8217;s not you, who then declined Baulderstone comment (twice)?. I challenge you to name them.</p>
<p>I already knew about Baulderstone from back in the mid 90ies sharing the national office of The Wilderness Society in Sydney which is my expertise (you should get a clue). He&#8217;s not a light weight having been env adviser to Keating including the critical time the peak green groups 1995-6 repudiated Keating and Howard got his devastating start. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s serious history and you are doing democracy a big favour ventilating all this on this string. Fact you didn&#8217;t know is significant. But I am happy to say your coverage of broad range of policy issues day after day is quite intimidating (to me) and happy to defer to your impressive knowledge base on so many other matters. </p>
<p>In short no one can know everything. And the fact it took three posts to get Baulderstone&#8217;s provenance exposed is in fact an issue for crikey even given the workload. What if crikey had not published that list 5 years ago. Would my third attempt have been knocked back?</p>
<blockquote><p>links edited</p></blockquote>
<p>Venise as explained previously I am a lobbyist community media person and as such I play politics. I&#8217;m not interested in good writing style or high circulation or popularity. I aim to change policy with pressure. Exposing Baulderstone all the way back to the Keating machine biased defense of Garrett is all about pressure on the Rudd Govt who as you will have noticed has been forced to expend his political capital of coverage of his business woman wife Rein. Itself squandered given the murders in Jakarta bombing.</p>
<p>Unlike alot of readers I&#8217;ve been a candidate, elected, held pressers etc and had a degree of success. I write from a real politik not a populist view. If you don&#8217;t get it, keep trying or give it up, doesn&#8217;t worry me. Fact you repeat your whinge suggests a whisper in your heart you know there is a world of expertise out there you want a piece of.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31653</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is John James gone? I was thinking we haven&#039;t heard much from the Religious Right recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is John James gone? I was thinking we haven&#8217;t heard much from the Religious Right recently.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Keane</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31652</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard Keane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr McLoughlin or whatever title you&#039;re travelling under: I don&#039;t have anything to do with Crikey&#039;s  comment moderation.  My title is &quot;Canberra correspondent&quot;, which I thought would have made it clear I wasn&#039;t, say, &quot;Crikey webmaster&quot;. I have many better things to do than sit and wait for you to post whatever conspiracy theory drivel you&#039;re peddling. Among them are trepanning myself with a rusty drill, watching the complete works of Michael Bay and working on a biography of Kevin Andrews.

&quot;Why would BK want to protect Baulderstone’s connection to Garrett connection to Keating? Is he a big source of BK stories? Is he another Gouldian Finch?&quot;

Jesus.  Bring back John James.  With all due respect to said &quot;Baulderstone&quot; I haven&#039;t the faintest clue who he is. Get something resembling a clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr McLoughlin or whatever title you&#8217;re travelling under: I don&#8217;t have anything to do with Crikey&#8217;s  comment moderation.  My title is &#8220;Canberra correspondent&#8221;, which I thought would have made it clear I wasn&#8217;t, say, &#8220;Crikey webmaster&#8221;. I have many better things to do than sit and wait for you to post whatever conspiracy theory drivel you&#8217;re peddling. Among them are trepanning myself with a rusty drill, watching the complete works of Michael Bay and working on a biography of Kevin Andrews.</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Why would BK want to protect Baulderstone’s connection to Garrett connection to Keating? Is he a big source of BK stories? Is he another Gouldian Finch?&#8221;</p>
<p>Jesus.  Bring back John James.  With all due respect to said &#8220;Baulderstone&#8221; I haven&#8217;t the faintest clue who he is. Get something resembling a clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31646</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom McLoughlin: I&#039;ve never been able to understand your comments. They sort of flit around but never quite land anywhere. You remind me of an old theatrical going through his/her scrapbooks. Would it be asking too much of you to stick to your point. If you have one, that is.


Geoffrey Ross Fawthrop. Either you are astonishing rude, or astonishingly English. I assume the latter. Why do you think independent online newspapers are so popular in Oz? It&#039;s because WE KNOW Rupert Murdoch owns the bulk of the printed press, WE KNOW his lack of scruples and standards. WE KNOW the Herald Sun puts out a screed for the people in the community who are unencumbered with excess intellectualism. 
Yet you would have Crikey go down the gurgler because a writer expressed a point of view contrary to your own. You sound like a fledgling Rupert Murdoch yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom McLoughlin: I&#8217;ve never been able to understand your comments. They sort of flit around but never quite land anywhere. You remind me of an old theatrical going through his/her scrapbooks. Would it be asking too much of you to stick to your point. If you have one, that is.</p>
<p>Geoffrey Ross Fawthrop. Either you are astonishing rude, or astonishingly English. I assume the latter. Why do you think independent online newspapers are so popular in Oz? It&#8217;s because WE KNOW Rupert Murdoch owns the bulk of the printed press, WE KNOW his lack of scruples and standards. WE KNOW the Herald Sun puts out a screed for the people in the community who are unencumbered with excess intellectualism.<br />
Yet you would have Crikey go down the gurgler because a writer expressed a point of view contrary to your own. You sound like a fledgling Rupert Murdoch yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Balderstone</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31645</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Balderstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure I get your point regarding me , Tom (McLoughlin) . Yes, I was an adviser - and proud of it - for Labor Ministers/Prime Ministers  Richardson, Hawke and Keating  , for a total of about 8 years. So what ? (inter alia, hardly &quot;life-long&quot; - I was a journo for longer, and have also been a self-employed consultant for longer) .  I  also worked  (nearly always part-time) for Peter Garrett for a couple of years too, before he became a Minister . So what?  

Much more relevantly, I just happen to have personal views, and knowledge of the processes and political realities. 

So how&#039;s this for a novel idea ?  Let&#039;s  stick to the substance of the issue, rather than going down the Sparrow path of cheap shots, suggesting my opinions somehow don&#039;t weigh as much because I was an adviser to Labor pollies. By the way, I have also advised - still do - lots of other people and lots of other organisations . Cheers, and enjoy your  day !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure I get your point regarding me , Tom (McLoughlin) . Yes, I was an adviser - and proud of it - for Labor Ministers/Prime Ministers  Richardson, Hawke and Keating  , for a total of about 8 years. So what ? (inter alia, hardly &#8220;life-long&#8221; - I was a journo for longer, and have also been a self-employed consultant for longer) .  I  also worked  (nearly always part-time) for Peter Garrett for a couple of years too, before he became a Minister . So what?  </p>
<p>Much more relevantly, I just happen to have personal views, and knowledge of the processes and political realities. </p>
<p>So how&#8217;s this for a novel idea ?  Let&#8217;s  stick to the substance of the issue, rather than going down the Sparrow path of cheap shots, suggesting my opinions somehow don&#8217;t weigh as much because I was an adviser to Labor pollies. By the way, I have also advised - still do - lots of other people and lots of other organisations . Cheers, and enjoy your  day !</p>
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		<title>By: David Sanderson</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31638</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sanderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, your conspiracy theory mind is in over-drive. Any post that has a link automatically goes through the moderation process - it has nothing to do with BK.

Your speculations about a Bellevue Hill photographer are totally random, as a 90&#039;s teenager might say. 

Enjoy your vocation although I doubt you will have a queue of people at your door demanding to take it off you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, your conspiracy theory mind is in over-drive. Any post that has a link automatically goes through the moderation process - it has nothing to do with BK.</p>
<p>Your speculations about a Bellevue Hill photographer are totally random, as a 90&#8217;s teenager might say. </p>
<p>Enjoy your vocation although I doubt you will have a queue of people at your door demanding to take it off you.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31636</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps worse than corruption is an ingrained tendency to believe whatever rubbish suits your own peculiar prejudices, regardless of the bountiful facts to the contrary.&quot;

So wrote Dave Sanderson!!

And doesn&#039;t he let his peculiar prejudices show! His ceaseless cringeing insults to anyone who has an opposing view does Crikey no service at all. He writes unashamedly about mediocre minds - a bit of self-examination would be a valuable exercise.

Nevertheless, I have to say that the exchange that has followed BK&#039;s piece has been most interesting and thought provoking - except for DS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Perhaps worse than corruption is an ingrained tendency to believe whatever rubbish suits your own peculiar prejudices, regardless of the bountiful facts to the contrary.&#8221;</p>
<p>So wrote Dave Sanderson!!</p>
<p>And doesn&#8217;t he let his peculiar prejudices show! His ceaseless cringeing insults to anyone who has an opposing view does Crikey no service at all. He writes unashamedly about mediocre minds - a bit of self-examination would be a valuable exercise.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I have to say that the exchange that has followed BK&#8217;s piece has been most interesting and thought provoking - except for DS.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Blackall</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/16/leave-peter-garrett-alone/#comment-31635</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoffrey Fawthrop, you have got it right in one respect: biological fathers are rarely involved. How about having a go at the absent fathers, not staying around to take responsibility? Single mothers usually do a good job under difficult circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Fawthrop, you have got it right in one respect: biological fathers are rarely involved. How about having a go at the absent fathers, not staying around to take responsibility? Single mothers usually do a good job under difficult circumstances.</p>
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