Comments on: Why investigative journalism needs … investigating http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:14:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mr Squid http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/#comment-31178 Mr Squid Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:57:01 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/#comment-31178 ZJT, how does 'having worked in ... ' relate grammatically to 'how can you compare ...'? only a newscrap ignoramus could write something like that. and as for the silly comment that 'even the most tabloid of (newscrap) papers here do not pay for stories, excuse me? the photos for the most typical newscrap lie of recent times - the pauline hanson story - were paid for! newscrap journalism here is as dishonest, self-serving, hypocrital and ridiculous as the recent speech by john hartigan, a former editor of the telegraph, which published the deliberate lies about hanson. ZJT, how does ‘having worked in … ’ relate grammatically to ‘how can you compare …’? only a newscrap ignoramus could write something like that.

and as for the silly comment that ‘even the most tabloid of (newscrap) papers here do not pay for stories, excuse me?

the photos for the most typical newscrap lie of recent times - the pauline hanson story - were paid for!

newscrap journalism here is as dishonest, self-serving, hypocrital and ridiculous as the recent speech by john hartigan, a former editor of the telegraph, which published the deliberate lies about hanson.

]]> By: zayjaytay http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/#comment-31176 zayjaytay Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:29:20 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/#comment-31176 Mr Squid, what a grossly uninformed and flawed comment. Having worked at newspapers in London and Australia, how you can compare the News the World with Australian News Ltd titles is beyond me. Even the most tabloid of News Ltd papers here do not pay for stories. Even among the British press the NoW is out there in a league of its own in terms of sleaze and tactics. Is anyone really surprised that they pay private investigators? Please. Mr Squid, what a grossly uninformed and flawed comment.
Having worked at newspapers in London and Australia, how you can compare the News the World with Australian News Ltd titles is beyond me.
Even the most tabloid of News Ltd papers here do not pay for stories.
Even among the British press the NoW is out there in a league of its own in terms of sleaze and tactics. Is anyone really surprised that they pay private investigators? Please.

]]> By: Tom McLoughlin http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/#comment-31153 Tom McLoughlin Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:35:34 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/#comment-31153 The chutzpah surely starts with the corporation's name. It's Orwellian double think - news, right wing fantasy, news, right wing fantasy. Served up every day, day after day, it works it's way into the brain like that sticky space dust into the first Moon shot. This 'news' is a bit like JRR Tolkien's writing technique whereby he outlines various descriptive realism and then inserts major fantasy elements which sail through because we have already suspended disbelief: The detail of knuckle dragging foul breathed trolls in tunnels sniffing out the Hobbit, creatures that never existed except perhaps at Holt St?. In Murdoch's case it's calling it "News" then publishing cartoon like facsimiles of complex reality. Don't get me wrong. I enjoy cartoon books mostly, but I don't believe them. If only most conservatives understood this about their favourite reading fodder. But then privilege has to believe in 'fair and balanced' to justify their advantage. The reverse is just too psychologically painful to contemplate: That they don't have any particular merit, just luck and their inheritance, and of course their prejudice. Tomorrow can we deconstruct Fairfax rabble? The chutzpah surely starts with the corporation’s name. It’s Orwellian double think - news, right wing fantasy, news, right wing fantasy. Served up every day, day after day, it works it’s way into the brain like that sticky space dust into the first Moon shot.

This ‘news’ is a bit like JRR Tolkien’s writing technique whereby he outlines various descriptive realism and then inserts major fantasy elements which sail through because we have already suspended disbelief: The detail of knuckle dragging foul breathed trolls in tunnels sniffing out the Hobbit, creatures that never existed except perhaps at Holt St?. In Murdoch’s case it’s calling it “News” then publishing cartoon like facsimiles of complex reality.

Don’t get me wrong. I enjoy cartoon books mostly, but I don’t believe them. If only most conservatives understood this about their favourite reading fodder. But then privilege has to believe in ‘fair and balanced’ to justify their advantage. The reverse is just too psychologically painful to contemplate: That they don’t have any particular merit, just luck and their inheritance, and of course their prejudice.

Tomorrow can we deconstruct Fairfax rabble?

]]> By: Ken Benson http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/#comment-31149 Ken Benson Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:27:39 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/#comment-31149 Ah Mr.Squid, back with another thought provoking piece, well written...you'd think News was behind every dirty trick in this country. Maybe worthwhile separating the opinion pieces from news stories for starters...and remember this is Australia not England.....don't visit any maybe trangressions in one country onto another did you ever stop to think how much Crikey has stepped up their anti-News campaign since the Punch started? This constant tirade is starting to wear a little thin isn't it ? No vendetta there...of course not....although there's probably 7 stories in today alone...obviously not much else happening in the world... PS Keith is not my real name...I'd like to see that myself, not likely sadly, easy to go the other way ...and by hte way you're already paying that premium... Ah Mr.Squid, back with another thought provoking piece, well written…you’d think News was behind every dirty trick in this country. Maybe worthwhile separating the opinion pieces from news stories for starters…and remember this is Australia not England…..don’t visit any maybe trangressions in one country onto another

did you ever stop to think how much Crikey has stepped up their anti-News campaign since the Punch started? This constant tirade is starting to wear a little thin isn’t it ? No vendetta there…of course not….although there’s probably 7 stories in today alone…obviously not much else happening in the world…

PS Keith is not my real name…I’d like to see that myself, not likely sadly, easy to go the other way …and by hte way you’re already paying that premium…

]]> By: Keith is not my real name http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/#comment-31111 Keith is not my real name Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:54:35 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/#comment-31111 <blockquote>you’ll never see in a Murdoch tabloid it is a genuine piece of investigative journalism into investigative journalism</blockquote> Just a thought, how about YOU do it. I'd pay a premium for that

you’ll never see in a Murdoch tabloid it is a genuine piece of investigative journalism into investigative journalism

Just a thought, how about YOU do it. I’d pay a premium for that

]]> By: Mr Squid http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/#comment-31084 Mr Squid Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:53:15 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/14/investigative-journalism-tabloid-style-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/#comment-31084 this is newscrap writ large. it's the sleazy and slimy reality behind the the australian, the telegraph, and every other resident of murdoch's augean stable. this is newscrap writ large. it’s the sleazy and slimy reality behind the the australian, the telegraph, and every other resident of murdoch’s augean stable.

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