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	<title>Comments on: Did Harper&#8217;s Christianity influence his wage decision?</title>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone recall ancient history when we had a &#039;born-to-rule&#039; PM whose status greed gave us a constitutional crisis (aka civil coup) and the unoriginal (how typical of him) phrase &quot;Life wasn&#039;t meant to be easy&quot; - nobody ever thought to ask sez who and for who?&quot;
His only other contribution to history was a loathesome little meretricious mediocrity made Treasurer in his first term because few others of  his side would take the humiliation that entailed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone recall ancient history when we had a &#8216;born-to-rule&#8217; PM whose status greed gave us a constitutional crisis (aka civil coup) and the unoriginal (how typical of him) phrase &#8220;Life wasn&#8217;t meant to be easy&#8221; - nobody ever thought to ask sez who and for who?&#8221;<br />
His only other contribution to history was a loathesome little meretricious mediocrity made Treasurer in his first term because few others of  his side would take the humiliation that entailed.</p>
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		<title>By: Beverley Kilsby</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/08/rundle-did-harpers-christianity-influence-his-wage-decision/#comment-30707</link>
		<dc:creator>Beverley Kilsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair  work fair pay, this is not all ways like it in this day and age some poor suckers,
hardly get anything, some are to scared to get out of their comfort  zone, and try at something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair  work fair pay, this is not all ways like it in this day and age some poor suckers,<br />
hardly get anything, some are to scared to get out of their comfort  zone, and try at something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe smieth</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/08/rundle-did-harpers-christianity-influence-his-wage-decision/#comment-30696</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe smieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this has less to do with their religious beliefs then with the fact that the members of the &quot;Fair Pay&quot; Commission are shortly to be out of their jobs and wish to curry favour with potential future employers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this has less to do with their religious beliefs then with the fact that the members of the &#8220;Fair Pay&#8221; Commission are shortly to be out of their jobs and wish to curry favour with potential future employers.</p>
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		<title>By: Euan J Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/08/rundle-did-harpers-christianity-influence-his-wage-decision/#comment-30692</link>
		<dc:creator>Euan J Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has this guy, Harper, not heard of the Separation-of-powers?  But then again we shouldn’t be surprised by the decision the Fair Pay Commission – rather Orwellian name- was a creature of the former Howard Liberal Government, designed to block wage increases for workers. Thank god it is being abolished and taken over by FairWork Australia, another Orwellian named institution. What is wrong with calling it the industrial Relations Court? Or something else along those lines?  

Harpers rejection of a pay increase is de-flationary as it will remove spending power from workers, thus reducing the amount of money in the economy. It is a decision straight out of the text book on how to prolong an economic recession, and that decision is exactly what Governments should not do in the middle of a recession.  Doesn’t Harper and all his other God-Bothers realise that Laisser-faire economics theory went out the window when the likes of Lehman Brothers and other like them went bust.  The Government should immediately empower the new commission Fair Work Australia, to re-examine the decision so as workers can enjoy a slight increase in their wages and standard of living.

Euan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has this guy, Harper, not heard of the Separation-of-powers?  But then again we shouldn’t be surprised by the decision the Fair Pay Commission – rather Orwellian name- was a creature of the former Howard Liberal Government, designed to block wage increases for workers. Thank god it is being abolished and taken over by FairWork Australia, another Orwellian named institution. What is wrong with calling it the industrial Relations Court? Or something else along those lines?  </p>
<p>Harpers rejection of a pay increase is de-flationary as it will remove spending power from workers, thus reducing the amount of money in the economy. It is a decision straight out of the text book on how to prolong an economic recession, and that decision is exactly what Governments should not do in the middle of a recession.  Doesn’t Harper and all his other God-Bothers realise that Laisser-faire economics theory went out the window when the likes of Lehman Brothers and other like them went bust.  The Government should immediately empower the new commission Fair Work Australia, to re-examine the decision so as workers can enjoy a slight increase in their wages and standard of living.</p>
<p>Euan</p>
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		<title>By: Liz45</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/08/rundle-did-harpers-christianity-influence-his-wage-decision/#comment-30686</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed! I&#039;d like Harper and his ilk to answer a simple question. &#039;If you live on much more than $14 per hour, how do you think others survive on less? &#039; The god-botherers drive me nuts, as they arrogantly assume that those on the bottom on the pile get their essentials from some other quarter, or their so-called christian principles stop with the lowest paid? It&#039;s time someone told them the truth - they have to pay rent and buy food like them. The recent tax cuts didn&#039;t help anyone on $45,000 or less either. This is just ramming the truth home very painfully - again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed! I&#8217;d like Harper and his ilk to answer a simple question. &#8216;If you live on much more than $14 per hour, how do you think others survive on less? &#8217; The god-botherers drive me nuts, as they arrogantly assume that those on the bottom on the pile get their essentials from some other quarter, or their so-called christian principles stop with the lowest paid? It&#8217;s time someone told them the truth - they have to pay rent and buy food like them. The recent tax cuts didn&#8217;t help anyone on $45,000 or less either. This is just ramming the truth home very painfully - again!</p>
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		<title>By: David1</title>
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		<dc:creator>David1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That rat Howard, when will we ever be completely rid of him. His appointments are still influencing peoples lives and not for the betterment of them. Paddy summed that prized wanker Harper up perfectly,and the freak Feilding is sitting in the wings preparing to unleash his goodness upon us next month. Arghhhh is there no end to them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That rat Howard, when will we ever be completely rid of him. His appointments are still influencing peoples lives and not for the betterment of them. Paddy summed that prized wanker Harper up perfectly,and the freak Feilding is sitting in the wings preparing to unleash his goodness upon us next month. Arghhhh is there no end to them?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Scruby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Scruby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go you good thing Guy,
The more people like you that &#039;out&#039; superstitious pricks like him,the better we&#039;ll all be.

Onward Atheist Soldiers..when are they going to realise there&#039;s no-one up there and it&#039;s a croc of crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go you good thing Guy,<br />
The more people like you that &#8216;out&#8217; superstitious pricks like him,the better we&#8217;ll all be.</p>
<p>Onward Atheist Soldiers..when are they going to realise there&#8217;s no-one up there and it&#8217;s a croc of crap.</p>
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		<title>By: paddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ta for this piece Guy.
I must admit, when I first saw the TV footage of Harper delivering his loaves  and fishes spiel, I was instantly reminded of  another professor. Namely David Flint.

I still can&#039;t quite believe, that anyone could be so smug, self righteous and pompous at the same time. 
The good professor would be perfectly at home in some darkly humorous Monty Python sketch. 
But for pity&#039;s sake, let&#039;s not give him control of the punishment detail for the undeserving poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ta for this piece Guy.<br />
I must admit, when I first saw the TV footage of Harper delivering his loaves  and fishes spiel, I was instantly reminded of  another professor. Namely David Flint.</p>
<p>I still can&#8217;t quite believe, that anyone could be so smug, self righteous and pompous at the same time.<br />
The good professor would be perfectly at home in some darkly humorous Monty Python sketch.<br />
But for pity&#8217;s sake, let&#8217;s not give him control of the punishment detail for the undeserving poor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Reiher</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/08/rundle-did-harpers-christianity-influence-his-wage-decision/#comment-30638</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Reiher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heathdon has a point. It is not the religion. It is the follower. It is how people who say they follow a religion, actually put it into practice (or don&#039;t). 

Some people who follow the very same religion as Mr Harper would interpret that religion as saying &quot;go the extra mile for the poor&quot;. And &quot;redistribute income so that there is more equality in a community.&quot; 

For those interested in what the good book says, such a view could be found in various places:

- Paul&#039;s comments: &quot;Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that they might be equality. At the present time, your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be equality. As it is written, &#039;He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little.&#039;&quot; (II Corinthians 8:13-15). 

- Or the Apostle John: &quot;If anyone has material possessions and sees is brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?&quot; (I John 3:17).   

Of course the trouble with quoting the Christian scriptures, is that people of a different persuasion will find some other statement to quote, and use that to prop up their predetermined view. Despite that, in this case, there is an argument that says there are about 2000 references in the Bible that exhort us to care for those less well of that ourselves. 

I read Ash Barker&#039;s book &quot;Make Poverty Personal&quot; recently. Such a book would actually encourage Mr Harper to do more for those less well off. 

If Mr Harper&#039;s religion is behind his decision, I pity him and would disagree with his lack of application of that religion. 

But my gut tells me that Harper&#039;s decision is more to do with conservative economics and class, than with religion. We all know that most people who profess religion don&#039;t really let it affect their daily life! Everything else that is drilled into us over a lifetime, directs us more. If we pretend that somehow our actions are controlled by our religious convictions, I would suggest we are seriously deluded! There just aren&#039;t many Mother Theresa&#039;s in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heathdon has a point. It is not the religion. It is the follower. It is how people who say they follow a religion, actually put it into practice (or don&#8217;t). </p>
<p>Some people who follow the very same religion as Mr Harper would interpret that religion as saying &#8220;go the extra mile for the poor&#8221;. And &#8220;redistribute income so that there is more equality in a community.&#8221; </p>
<p>For those interested in what the good book says, such a view could be found in various places:</p>
<p>- Paul&#8217;s comments: &#8220;Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that they might be equality. At the present time, your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be equality. As it is written, &#8216;He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little.&#8217;&#8221; (II Corinthians 8:13-15). </p>
<p>- Or the Apostle John: &#8220;If anyone has material possessions and sees is brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?&#8221; (I John 3:17).   </p>
<p>Of course the trouble with quoting the Christian scriptures, is that people of a different persuasion will find some other statement to quote, and use that to prop up their predetermined view. Despite that, in this case, there is an argument that says there are about 2000 references in the Bible that exhort us to care for those less well of that ourselves. </p>
<p>I read Ash Barker&#8217;s book &#8220;Make Poverty Personal&#8221; recently. Such a book would actually encourage Mr Harper to do more for those less well off. </p>
<p>If Mr Harper&#8217;s religion is behind his decision, I pity him and would disagree with his lack of application of that religion. </p>
<p>But my gut tells me that Harper&#8217;s decision is more to do with conservative economics and class, than with religion. We all know that most people who profess religion don&#8217;t really let it affect their daily life! Everything else that is drilled into us over a lifetime, directs us more. If we pretend that somehow our actions are controlled by our religious convictions, I would suggest we are seriously deluded! There just aren&#8217;t many Mother Theresa&#8217;s in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: sean bedlam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean bedlam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The empty materialism of the poor, eh?  God bless that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The empty materialism of the poor, eh?  God bless that.</p>
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		<title>By: Heathdon McGregor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heathdon McGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When politics and religion lie together they both get up feeling dirty. I suppose we can eat cake while waiting for the pie in the sky when we die. I hope his fences are built high.

So after twenty five years of trickle down economy the minimum wagers are to foot the bill for ceos(bailed out by banks), speculators(Mr Groves friends are rich) and plain inadequate businesspeople. 

My mother used to say &quot;he thinks the world owes him a living&quot; I think too many of todays leaders think that profits are the norm not the result of good conditions and hard work and most of all luck.

I dont want to attach too much of the Professors seeming arrogance to his religion as religion causes both good and bad reactions in its followers. I blame the follower not the religion. I hope the next time he eats a weeks worth of minimum wages at the flower drum he chokes on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When politics and religion lie together they both get up feeling dirty. I suppose we can eat cake while waiting for the pie in the sky when we die. I hope his fences are built high.</p>
<p>So after twenty five years of trickle down economy the minimum wagers are to foot the bill for ceos(bailed out by banks), speculators(Mr Groves friends are rich) and plain inadequate businesspeople. </p>
<p>My mother used to say &#8220;he thinks the world owes him a living&#8221; I think too many of todays leaders think that profits are the norm not the result of good conditions and hard work and most of all luck.</p>
<p>I dont want to attach too much of the Professors seeming arrogance to his religion as religion causes both good and bad reactions in its followers. I blame the follower not the religion. I hope the next time he eats a weeks worth of minimum wages at the flower drum he chokes on it.</p>
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