Comments on: How the US is brewing imperialism with disengagement http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/07/rundle-how-the-us-is-brewing-imperialism-with-disengagement/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:52:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: warwick fry http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/07/rundle-how-the-us-is-brewing-imperialism-with-disengagement/#comment-30942 warwick fry Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:23:01 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/07/rundle-how-the-us-is-brewing-imperialism-with-disengagement/#comment-30942 Furthermore: (erhemm) Noone is asking Obama to 'dictate terms'. (sorry Guy ... distorted discourse there - it shows). Of course evidence of US involvement would not show - they have had plenty of experience in that area - except perhaps for the invasion of Grenada. "the event is a mess of populism, social movements, and fundamental self-re-definition by a country" Why is it a 'mess' ? The social movements are organised - always have been! You are correct about the 'redefinition' but it has been a long time coming. Noone is demanding that you be an apologist for the US administration. Are they? Furthermore: (erhemm)

Noone is asking Obama to ‘dictate terms’.

(sorry Guy … distorted discourse there - it shows).

Of course evidence of US involvement would not show - they have had plenty of experience in that area - except perhaps for the invasion of Grenada.

“the event is a mess of populism, social movements, and fundamental self-re-definition by a country”

Why is it a ‘mess’ ? The social movements are organised - always have been! You are correct about the ‘redefinition’ but it has been a long time coming.

Noone is demanding that you be an apologist for the US administration. Are they?

]]> By: warwick fry http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/07/rundle-how-the-us-is-brewing-imperialism-with-disengagement/#comment-30940 warwick fry Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:42:19 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/07/rundle-how-the-us-is-brewing-imperialism-with-disengagement/#comment-30940 Guy should have a look at what Telesur is saying about the coup (the only network that is actually giving it coverage) and drop a few preconceptions long enough to hear/listen to President Hugo Chavez point about the 'negotiations' in Costa Rica, and what the US could have, or might still do - like maybe shut down their military base in Palmerola (okay ... it's called something else now, but it has been there since the 1980s and there are still 600 US troops there). As for the contested 'legality' of the coup - even one of the generals has now admitted that it was of dubious legality but 'they had to do it to protect democracy'. And 16 Parliamentarians have walked out of the House of Assembly to dissociate themselves from the coupsters. The US administration is definitely dragging the chains here. They were a week after everyone else to withdraw their ambassador and impose sanctions. They could send a loud, clear message to the coupsters ('golpistas') - but they don't Talk about negotiation is a furfy. There is absolutely nothing to negotiate. The strategy of the resistance and Zelaya supporters is to give the 'golpistas' a way out when (not if) President Zelaya returns. It is recognised that with people like that, backing them up against the wall could make them even more dangerous to the unarmed people. Guy should have a look at what Telesur is saying about the coup (the only network that is actually giving it coverage) and drop a few preconceptions long enough to hear/listen to President Hugo Chavez point about the ‘negotiations’ in Costa Rica, and what the US could have, or might still do - like maybe shut down their military base in Palmerola (okay … it’s called something else now, but it has been there since the 1980s and there are still 600 US troops there).

As for the contested ‘legality’ of the coup - even one of the generals has now admitted that it was of dubious legality but ‘they had to do it to protect democracy’.

And 16 Parliamentarians have walked out of the House of Assembly to dissociate themselves from the coupsters.

The US administration is definitely dragging the chains here. They were a week after everyone else to withdraw their ambassador and impose sanctions.

They could send a loud, clear message to the coupsters (‘golpistas’) -

but they don’t

Talk about negotiation is a furfy. There is absolutely nothing to negotiate. The strategy of the resistance and Zelaya supporters is to give the ‘golpistas’ a way out when (not if) President Zelaya returns. It is recognised that with people like that, backing them up against the wall could make them even more dangerous to the unarmed people.

]]> By: AR http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/07/rundle-how-the-us-is-brewing-imperialism-with-disengagement/#comment-30612 AR Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:59:50 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/07/rundle-how-the-us-is-brewing-imperialism-with-disengagement/#comment-30612 "BIDEN: Look, we cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do when ...". If ONLY it were true! What's the tally since WWII? Over 32 coups, interventions, attacks, destabilsation, invasions, occupations etc and counting. “BIDEN: Look, we cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do when …”.
If ONLY it were true! What’s the tally since WWII? Over 32 coups, interventions, attacks, destabilsation, invasions, occupations etc and counting.

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