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	<title>Comments on: GFC: just an excuse to raid retirees&#8217; nest eggs</title>
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		<title>By: Gary Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lemme explain

da banks force da companies to raise more money coz their fincial position is no good
then da companies get their friends da fund managers to to buy their shares using da retirees money which is invested with them    its a win win for everybody but da retirees

da summarry is dat da retirees are left with a pile of worthless shares andf da banks win again....wake in fright my friends coz da whole fing is one giant ponzi scheme known as babylon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lemme explain</p>
<p>da banks force da companies to raise more money coz their fincial position is no good<br />
then da companies get their friends da fund managers to to buy their shares using da retirees money which is invested with them    its a win win for everybody but da retirees</p>
<p>da summarry is dat da retirees are left with a pile of worthless shares andf da banks win again&#8230;.wake in fright my friends coz da whole fing is one giant ponzi scheme known as babylon</p>
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		<title>By: dave hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea .. i don&#039;t really understand what i have read 3 times .. can you please write and explain how this all works  (in the email version) .. most of us would log on to crikey once in a blue moon .. we scan the email and that is all we have time to do .. guardian for the world .. crikey for oz (canned the 7&#039;30 report ages ago - time for a big change there)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea .. i don&#8217;t really understand what i have read 3 times .. can you please write and explain how this all works  (in the email version) .. most of us would log on to crikey once in a blue moon .. we scan the email and that is all we have time to do .. guardian for the world .. crikey for oz (canned the 7&#8217;30 report ages ago - time for a big change there)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are people surprised? Of course the banks will do this because this is what they have to do. Banks are the ones who have been charged with keeping the money supply going by making loans. They are being encouraged to make loans but at the same time they are being told they must not risk money. Of course they have get companies to raise more capital so that their loans are less at risk.  This is NOT a case of the banks profiteering it is a case of the banks doing what society expects of them.

The system is designed to go from booms to busts. If you were sitting down from scratch to design a system that is inherently unstable and essentially random in its outputs you would come up with the current financial system.

It is unstable because to increase the money supply a bank (or someone) must make a loan. To make a loan you need an asset against which to guarantee the loan so the more assets you have the more loans can be made to you. Thus the more your assets increase in notional value the more loans you have. Now once your assets start to drop in value the fewer loans you can have and this will in turn reduce the value of your assets which in turn will reduce the number of loans you  can have.

Thus we increase loans when asset prices increase and this in turn increases the money supply.  This is called positive feedback and we all know that such systems are essentially random in behaviour because when we decrease loans we decrease asset prices which reduces the money supply. How far up the money supply goes and how far down it goes is  unpredictable. It is one of those systems where we have the &quot;butterfly effect&quot; where small events have big consequences.

A simple solution to the problem is to remove the link between money supply and loans. Let us increase the money supply without increasing loans and the problem will be solved - provided we do something sensible with the increased money supply. One sensible thing is to use  the extra money to build renewable energy plants which immediately become profitable if they are built with zero interest capital that only needs to be paid back when the plants make a profit. This will not be the end of capitalism as we know it but it will enable the banks to do what everyone things they now do. That is, take deposits and lend them out. That is what banks are good at. They are not an appropriate mechanism to increase the total supply of money as history has repeatedly shown.

Islamic banking does this and that would be a way of fixing the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are people surprised? Of course the banks will do this because this is what they have to do. Banks are the ones who have been charged with keeping the money supply going by making loans. They are being encouraged to make loans but at the same time they are being told they must not risk money. Of course they have get companies to raise more capital so that their loans are less at risk.  This is NOT a case of the banks profiteering it is a case of the banks doing what society expects of them.</p>
<p>The system is designed to go from booms to busts. If you were sitting down from scratch to design a system that is inherently unstable and essentially random in its outputs you would come up with the current financial system.</p>
<p>It is unstable because to increase the money supply a bank (or someone) must make a loan. To make a loan you need an asset against which to guarantee the loan so the more assets you have the more loans can be made to you. Thus the more your assets increase in notional value the more loans you have. Now once your assets start to drop in value the fewer loans you can have and this will in turn reduce the value of your assets which in turn will reduce the number of loans you  can have.</p>
<p>Thus we increase loans when asset prices increase and this in turn increases the money supply.  This is called positive feedback and we all know that such systems are essentially random in behaviour because when we decrease loans we decrease asset prices which reduces the money supply. How far up the money supply goes and how far down it goes is  unpredictable. It is one of those systems where we have the &#8220;butterfly effect&#8221; where small events have big consequences.</p>
<p>A simple solution to the problem is to remove the link between money supply and loans. Let us increase the money supply without increasing loans and the problem will be solved - provided we do something sensible with the increased money supply. One sensible thing is to use  the extra money to build renewable energy plants which immediately become profitable if they are built with zero interest capital that only needs to be paid back when the plants make a profit. This will not be the end of capitalism as we know it but it will enable the banks to do what everyone things they now do. That is, take deposits and lend them out. That is what banks are good at. They are not an appropriate mechanism to increase the total supply of money as history has repeatedly shown.</p>
<p>Islamic banking does this and that would be a way of fixing the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look I own commercial property and I am very politically active but I don’t really understand what I have just read twice ! But I did visit the NSW  government web site yesterday in place at my expense to inform me  about T CORP.  Most of the links I clicked were dead ends.   Last night I watched the 7 30 Report losses to ratepayers,  people like me may be 2 billion dollars.  Tell me please that T CORP the NSW government did not invest in derivatives and Collateralised  Debt Obligations 
BTW I have not renewed my subscription because you seem to have morphed into main stream media !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look I own commercial property and I am very politically active but I don’t really understand what I have just read twice ! But I did visit the NSW  government web site yesterday in place at my expense to inform me  about T CORP.  Most of the links I clicked were dead ends.   Last night I watched the 7 30 Report losses to ratepayers,  people like me may be 2 billion dollars.  Tell me please that T CORP the NSW government did not invest in derivatives and Collateralised  Debt Obligations<br />
BTW I have not renewed my subscription because you seem to have morphed into main stream media !</p>
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