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		<title>By: glennfloyd</title>
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		<title>By: glennfloyd</title>
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		<title>By: glennfloyd</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz45 is on the money, the only issue at law is UN inspections. Once Iraq formally agreed on the 16 September 2002 to in writing to the UN for full unhinndered UN inspections, that legal compliance set a mandatory legal obligation to inspect and determine if the weapons allegation was factual. The allegation could have been proven true or untrue without killing one child, woman, man. There was a legal obligation to inspect. We have brief Of Evidence of war crimes against John Winston Howard with the International Criminal Court (ICC) now.

Violation of the Rule of Law By The Iraq War See http://www.iccaction.com 

FORMER LORD AND CHIEF JUSTICE LORD BINGHAM STATES THE IRAQ WAR &#039;A SERIOUS VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW&#039;
Press link&gt;&gt;  http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/nov2008/bing-n27.shtml
 
Therefore, this formal Brief of Evidence is a test case of the legality of the Iraq war by the independent examination of the courts.

 
The ICC Prosecutor is currently examining our Final Brief 425 of 13 June 2008 against John Winston Howard to determine if it should go to Pre Trial Chamber for investigation for recommendation of war crimes prosecution.

Download ICC Brief of Evidence 425 Press link &gt;&gt;  http://www.iccaction.com/ICC BRIEF JUNE 13 2008.doc

This Brief of Evidence is declared by an Arbitrator of the International Society of Criminology:- -&quot;a strong, constructive prima facie case, demanding action and a response&quot;.

It is a war crime to bomb densely civilian populated major cities. 

Massive civilian deaths were known in advance to result by this major attack.

The attack has been declared ‘illegal’ by international legal experts because:

· Iraq fully complied with all demands under all U.N. Resolutions

· Iraq allowed full inspections anywhere, which made the attack illegal

· Iraq did not threaten to attack any country

· The U.N. formally disapproved of the attack

· Iraq was unable to protect its densely civilian populated major cities against such a lethal attack

FOREWORD
Australia&#039;s Days of Shame
 
31 March 2003 Glenn Floyd 2004 Senate Candidate (with a War Crimes Amendment Bill platform) http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2004/guide/svic.htm 

The Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard, has now descended to the level of aggressive murderous despot, to take his place among infamous others in humanity as a &#039;butcher of innocents&#039;. Not in this Australian citizen&#039;s name has John Howard, without provocation, attacked, killed and maimed innocents, destroyed property and obliterated societies far away from us; children have now died at his hand, when there was an option. Sleep well John Howard, sleep well. 

Now elevated by his own ego to the most brazenly sycophantic leader this nation has known, he has disgraced the high office of Prime Minister and shamed all Australians, as never before witnessed in our political or national history. This pathetic Vaudevillian flaunts his pathological inadequacy in a horrifying male ménage á trois bloodlust. 

John Howard has now and in perpetuity ranked our nation among those who have attacked and invaded another state without its attacking us, the behavior of which the United Nations and our democratic and legal and social institutions refute as illegitimate and fully abhor. He has overridden the U.N. &#039;rule of law&#039;. 

Australia has had its innocence taken by a political opportunist who would now stoop to the most evil behavior for his own political fortunes. This man, who disrespectfully trivializes his heinous actions by uttering the crass apocryphal statement that watching war movies upsets him, now kills people, kills innocents. Not in our name Mr. Howard, not in our name. 

Had we (or any other allied nation) suffered an attack, been at risk from an invading force, or seen Iraq in a position to harm, there may have been another perspective. However, Iraq has been utterly broken at the West&#039;s hand and it&#039;s threat potential lied about through propaganda. 

Worse, the U.N. had the very rare unanimous co-operation of every nation and the full Security Council. We were in Baghdad, and our teams were not hindered anywhere. 

There was an option. The matter was being managed with honour and integrity and further stronger unanimous resolutions could have been implemented without one innocent losing their life. But against the United Nation&#039;s honourable stand, John Howard and the troika of death chose to kill. Now the killing troika brag they are close to Baghdad. We were in Baghdad and this war is illegal. 

A great and solemn bell of moral impropriety now tolls for us across our once fair land; and in our hearts, and in our parliament, forever. Australians have never known such days of shame. 

Proud citizens of Australia, prepare for the largest world protests and major world peace marches in history against this destructive and horrific unleashing of the weapons of mass destruction of Bush, Blair and Howard. Come together in all your cities. It took five years of protest to stop the agreed immoral killing of the Vietnam war through just such goodwill. All the cities of Australia must be brought to a standstill and shut down in the most peaceful protests ever seen - the people will he heard. We can then, honourably and peacefully, hand this matter back to the United Nations. 

We support and fully encourage all armed services personnel in now taking conscientious objection to this illegal and vile war which is going to be loathed a thousand times greater than Vietnam. All conscientious objectors will be given a civic welcome in Australian cities for taking the strong courage and honour of their moral convictions by utterly deploring John Howard&#039;s war.

Glenn Floyd
Director  ICC Action www.iccaction.com 
0407 861 056
All Correspondence: P/O Box 997 North Melbourne 3051</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz45 is on the money, the only issue at law is UN inspections. Once Iraq formally agreed on the 16 September 2002 to in writing to the UN for full unhinndered UN inspections, that legal compliance set a mandatory legal obligation to inspect and determine if the weapons allegation was factual. The allegation could have been proven true or untrue without killing one child, woman, man. There was a legal obligation to inspect. We have brief Of Evidence of war crimes against John Winston Howard with the International Criminal Court (ICC) now.</p>
<p>Violation of the Rule of Law By The Iraq War See <a href="http://www.iccaction.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.iccaction.com</a> </p>
<p>FORMER LORD AND CHIEF JUSTICE LORD BINGHAM STATES THE IRAQ WAR &#8216;A SERIOUS VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW&#8217;<br />
Press link&gt;&gt;  <a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/nov2008/bing-n27.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/nov2008/bing-n27.shtml</a></p>
<p>Therefore, this formal Brief of Evidence is a test case of the legality of the Iraq war by the independent examination of the courts.</p>
<p>The ICC Prosecutor is currently examining our Final Brief 425 of 13 June 2008 against John Winston Howard to determine if it should go to Pre Trial Chamber for investigation for recommendation of war crimes prosecution.</p>
<p>Download ICC Brief of Evidence 425 Press link &gt;&gt;  <a href="http://www.iccaction.com/ICC" rel="nofollow">http://www.iccaction.com/ICC</a> BRIEF JUNE 13 2008.doc</p>
<p>This Brief of Evidence is declared by an Arbitrator of the International Society of Criminology:- -&#8220;a strong, constructive prima facie case, demanding action and a response&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is a war crime to bomb densely civilian populated major cities. </p>
<p>Massive civilian deaths were known in advance to result by this major attack.</p>
<p>The attack has been declared ‘illegal’ by international legal experts because:</p>
<p>· Iraq fully complied with all demands under all U.N. Resolutions</p>
<p>· Iraq allowed full inspections anywhere, which made the attack illegal</p>
<p>· Iraq did not threaten to attack any country</p>
<p>· The U.N. formally disapproved of the attack</p>
<p>· Iraq was unable to protect its densely civilian populated major cities against such a lethal attack</p>
<p>FOREWORD<br />
Australia&#8217;s Days of Shame</p>
<p>31 March 2003 Glenn Floyd 2004 Senate Candidate (with a War Crimes Amendment Bill platform) <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2004/guide/svic.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2004/guide/svic.htm</a> </p>
<p>The Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard, has now descended to the level of aggressive murderous despot, to take his place among infamous others in humanity as a &#8216;butcher of innocents&#8217;. Not in this Australian citizen&#8217;s name has John Howard, without provocation, attacked, killed and maimed innocents, destroyed property and obliterated societies far away from us; children have now died at his hand, when there was an option. Sleep well John Howard, sleep well. </p>
<p>Now elevated by his own ego to the most brazenly sycophantic leader this nation has known, he has disgraced the high office of Prime Minister and shamed all Australians, as never before witnessed in our political or national history. This pathetic Vaudevillian flaunts his pathological inadequacy in a horrifying male ménage á trois bloodlust. </p>
<p>John Howard has now and in perpetuity ranked our nation among those who have attacked and invaded another state without its attacking us, the behavior of which the United Nations and our democratic and legal and social institutions refute as illegitimate and fully abhor. He has overridden the U.N. &#8216;rule of law&#8217;. </p>
<p>Australia has had its innocence taken by a political opportunist who would now stoop to the most evil behavior for his own political fortunes. This man, who disrespectfully trivializes his heinous actions by uttering the crass apocryphal statement that watching war movies upsets him, now kills people, kills innocents. Not in our name Mr. Howard, not in our name. </p>
<p>Had we (or any other allied nation) suffered an attack, been at risk from an invading force, or seen Iraq in a position to harm, there may have been another perspective. However, Iraq has been utterly broken at the West&#8217;s hand and it&#8217;s threat potential lied about through propaganda. </p>
<p>Worse, the U.N. had the very rare unanimous co-operation of every nation and the full Security Council. We were in Baghdad, and our teams were not hindered anywhere. </p>
<p>There was an option. The matter was being managed with honour and integrity and further stronger unanimous resolutions could have been implemented without one innocent losing their life. But against the United Nation&#8217;s honourable stand, John Howard and the troika of death chose to kill. Now the killing troika brag they are close to Baghdad. We were in Baghdad and this war is illegal. </p>
<p>A great and solemn bell of moral impropriety now tolls for us across our once fair land; and in our hearts, and in our parliament, forever. Australians have never known such days of shame. </p>
<p>Proud citizens of Australia, prepare for the largest world protests and major world peace marches in history against this destructive and horrific unleashing of the weapons of mass destruction of Bush, Blair and Howard. Come together in all your cities. It took five years of protest to stop the agreed immoral killing of the Vietnam war through just such goodwill. All the cities of Australia must be brought to a standstill and shut down in the most peaceful protests ever seen - the people will he heard. We can then, honourably and peacefully, hand this matter back to the United Nations. </p>
<p>We support and fully encourage all armed services personnel in now taking conscientious objection to this illegal and vile war which is going to be loathed a thousand times greater than Vietnam. All conscientious objectors will be given a civic welcome in Australian cities for taking the strong courage and honour of their moral convictions by utterly deploring John Howard&#8217;s war.</p>
<p>Glenn Floyd<br />
Director  ICC Action <a href="http://www.iccaction.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.iccaction.com</a><br />
0407 861 056<br />
All Correspondence: P/O Box 997 North Melbourne 3051</p>
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		<title>By: John Bennetts</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bennetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps worst of all was the destruction of non-military assets upon which society depends so very much.  In addition to the schools, hospitals an d factories etc mentioned above, can be added the dams and water distribution systems and bridges.  

Imagine an Australia without these same infrastructures.  No way to educate, feed and keep healthy and sheltered the majority of the population.  Forcing many to relocate from their homes, towns, cities and workplaces of generations.  

I feel that Australia will be judged very poorly indeed by the caring citizens of the remainder of the world for that which has been carried out by jwh and associates in our name.  Our only way to avoid pariah status in this small world is for Australians, as one nation, to demand and obtain proper investigations of the root causes of this debacle and for our children to be taught how to avoid repetition and to overcome the inherited guilt which those of my baby-boomer generation cannot now atone.

The current government certainly is not without guilt in these matters, as some have commented above.  Consider also our feeble actions thus far re greenhouse gas reduction, despite ours being the largest per-capita generator.

There is much work yet to be done.  An appropriate starting place would be for the Commonwealth resources put into the study and preparation for war to be matched, dollar for dollar, by resources for the study and achievement of lasting peace, without which our race is, sadly, doomed.  And I am not joking or exaggerating!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps worst of all was the destruction of non-military assets upon which society depends so very much.  In addition to the schools, hospitals an d factories etc mentioned above, can be added the dams and water distribution systems and bridges.  </p>
<p>Imagine an Australia without these same infrastructures.  No way to educate, feed and keep healthy and sheltered the majority of the population.  Forcing many to relocate from their homes, towns, cities and workplaces of generations.  </p>
<p>I feel that Australia will be judged very poorly indeed by the caring citizens of the remainder of the world for that which has been carried out by jwh and associates in our name.  Our only way to avoid pariah status in this small world is for Australians, as one nation, to demand and obtain proper investigations of the root causes of this debacle and for our children to be taught how to avoid repetition and to overcome the inherited guilt which those of my baby-boomer generation cannot now atone.</p>
<p>The current government certainly is not without guilt in these matters, as some have commented above.  Consider also our feeble actions thus far re greenhouse gas reduction, despite ours being the largest per-capita generator.</p>
<p>There is much work yet to be done.  An appropriate starting place would be for the Commonwealth resources put into the study and preparation for war to be matched, dollar for dollar, by resources for the study and achievement of lasting peace, without which our race is, sadly, doomed.  And I am not joking or exaggerating!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all knew we were being lied to.  We all marched in protest and were dismissed as rabble.  We hoped and prayed that war would be the last option and yet the Bush with his mates, Howard and Blair just charged on in with good old US know how.  Shock and awe, great TV images. Except the camera crews were imbedded and we only saw what the military wanted us to see.  Few screaming children and no shots of coffins coming home draped in the flag of the world&#039;s great democracy. 
Well what a surprise that it was all a terrible mistake.  A mistake that has cost a million lives and trillions of dollars.  A mistake that has played into the hands of international terrorism and drowned the moral integrity of the west in a cesspit.  Yet there seems some doubt whether to investigate what were,  clearly in the minds so many average citizens,  war crimes. 
We have all been uplifted by the turn of events in both the US and Australia where we have gone back to our quiet lives, safe in the belief that the maniacs have had there day and the good guys have taken over high office. But to let this catastrophy pass by without the most scrupulous examination  would be a grave historic mistake. Many 24 hour news cycles have now passed by but the sudden upturn in violence in Iraq reminds us that bad things took place there for which some people were criminally culpable.
If there are no charges to answer, something I very much doubt, fine.  But there is a seriously smoking gun that needs to be seriously investigated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all knew we were being lied to.  We all marched in protest and were dismissed as rabble.  We hoped and prayed that war would be the last option and yet the Bush with his mates, Howard and Blair just charged on in with good old US know how.  Shock and awe, great TV images. Except the camera crews were imbedded and we only saw what the military wanted us to see.  Few screaming children and no shots of coffins coming home draped in the flag of the world&#8217;s great democracy.<br />
Well what a surprise that it was all a terrible mistake.  A mistake that has cost a million lives and trillions of dollars.  A mistake that has played into the hands of international terrorism and drowned the moral integrity of the west in a cesspit.  Yet there seems some doubt whether to investigate what were,  clearly in the minds so many average citizens,  war crimes.<br />
We have all been uplifted by the turn of events in both the US and Australia where we have gone back to our quiet lives, safe in the belief that the maniacs have had there day and the good guys have taken over high office. But to let this catastrophy pass by without the most scrupulous examination  would be a grave historic mistake. Many 24 hour news cycles have now passed by but the sudden upturn in violence in Iraq reminds us that bad things took place there for which some people were criminally culpable.<br />
If there are no charges to answer, something I very much doubt, fine.  But there is a seriously smoking gun that needs to be seriously investigated.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz45</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Stephen and Michael. I wrote to Howard prior to the invasion of Iraq. I implored him to allow the weapons inspectors to complete their task/s(I realized later, that none of them were interested in weapons&#039; inspectors, in fact, they didn&#039;t like the information they already had - that Saddam was no threat to his neighbours, let alone the West - both Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice stated this early in 2001) and that the people of Iraq had already suffered enough etc. 

That the US, Britain and Australia not only allowed Saddam to treat his people in a horrific manner, they took action in the UN to not allow him to be sanctioned - I assume that Britain and Australia voted accordingly or agreed. I don&#039;t recall any Australian politicians (not in the major parties anyway) speaking out against Saddam either in the parliament or outside it.

Reading, From Afghanistan to Iraq - Joining the dots with Oil, it all becomes clear as to the reason/s why both Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded. The death toll in Afghanistan hasn&#039;t been divulged, but it&#039;s suspected that it could be high as that of Iraq - over 1 million 300 hundred thousand, and rising. I&#039;ve also read of the after the initial invasion of Iraq, the US used the same tactics as it used in Vietnam and then in Central America in the 1980&#039;s. The same person who took charge in El Salvador was sent to Iraq - and it was about that time that the violence of both major groups took place. It could be argued, that it was a deliberate method of the US - get them killing each other, then they step in and tell each side, that their presence was vital to their survival?

More than half the kids in Iraq are malnourished and suffering from psychological trauma. The kids in Afghanistan likewise; and the stats re kids who&#039;ve lost one or both parents is disgracefully high. The kids in Palestine likewise, and we, by our blindly following the US are also responsible for them as well. 

The reply from Howard was as you&#039;d imagine - full of crap! I marched in protest on Feb 16, and anytime I&#039;ve had the chance since. It&#039;s beyond appalling, that Rudd has put more troups in Afghanistan, and I know that many Australian businesses (including BHP Billiton) have been responsible for the lust for oil and other business &#039;interests&#039; in Iraq. Even the &#039;seed&#039; industry has been taken over by the US. The use of seeds in agriculture in Iraq goes back hundreds of years. Each year the new seeds are planted etc, much the same as here. Thanks to the US, they&#039;ve patented many, and now those farmers will have to pay prior to planting new seasons&#039; crops. This is just another area of their lives, where Paul Bremmer&#039;s new &#039;constitution&#039; has and will ensure, that the people of Iraq will be deprived billions - particularly where it concerns existing oil wells and any new ones. These agreements will probably be in operation for 30 years. Iraq, like all other oil producing countries nationalized its oil industry - the US, Britain and with our concurrence have changed all that. A good website is www.handsoffiraqioil.com  It explains all!

The new US Embassy in Iraq cost millions. It&#039;s like a small city - self sufficient in every way. I&#039;m sure there&#039;ll be no problems with clean water, sewerage and electricity that the masses have to deal with. My understanding, is that the land was just taken over by the US, and no Iraqi was asked. This is against the Geneva Conventions re the responsiblity of occupiers. Why was this built, and are we being lied to re the continued &#039;occupation&#039; or &#039;presence&#039; of US military personnel in Iraq? Why were the journalists, unionists and workers targeted by the occupiers, what was our role in this? I shudder to think. How many schools, hospitals, sewerage treatment works, power stations have been destroyed, and when and by whom will they be rebuilt? I don&#039;t think that Iraqi oil money should pay for this. The illegal invaders/occupiers should be made to pay?

I&#039;d like to see Bush/Blair/Howard charged with war crimes. I&#039;d also like to see Howard, Ruddick, Downer and other relevant ministers charged under International Law re treatment of asylum seekers. I&#039;d like to see Sharmon Stone and her parliamentary mates warned by the International Criminal Court of what their fate could be if they persist with their present stance. I feel immense shame, that while raving on about democracy ad nauseum, our national government is just as guilty as Bush/Blair and those who continue the horror in both countries. 

STEPHEN - &quot;There is no one in Australian public life who has stooped so low as JWH , along with his ministers, government and supporters.&quot;    Indeed!

MICHAEL - &quot;For how much longer can we pretend that we are the goodies when demonstrably we are the criminals.&quot;  Sadly, yes!

Lest We Forget! 
I&#039;m damned sure I won&#039;t!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Stephen and Michael. I wrote to Howard prior to the invasion of Iraq. I implored him to allow the weapons inspectors to complete their task/s(I realized later, that none of them were interested in weapons&#8217; inspectors, in fact, they didn&#8217;t like the information they already had - that Saddam was no threat to his neighbours, let alone the West - both Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice stated this early in 2001) and that the people of Iraq had already suffered enough etc. </p>
<p>That the US, Britain and Australia not only allowed Saddam to treat his people in a horrific manner, they took action in the UN to not allow him to be sanctioned - I assume that Britain and Australia voted accordingly or agreed. I don&#8217;t recall any Australian politicians (not in the major parties anyway) speaking out against Saddam either in the parliament or outside it.</p>
<p>Reading, From Afghanistan to Iraq - Joining the dots with Oil, it all becomes clear as to the reason/s why both Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded. The death toll in Afghanistan hasn&#8217;t been divulged, but it&#8217;s suspected that it could be high as that of Iraq - over 1 million 300 hundred thousand, and rising. I&#8217;ve also read of the after the initial invasion of Iraq, the US used the same tactics as it used in Vietnam and then in Central America in the 1980&#8217;s. The same person who took charge in El Salvador was sent to Iraq - and it was about that time that the violence of both major groups took place. It could be argued, that it was a deliberate method of the US - get them killing each other, then they step in and tell each side, that their presence was vital to their survival?</p>
<p>More than half the kids in Iraq are malnourished and suffering from psychological trauma. The kids in Afghanistan likewise; and the stats re kids who&#8217;ve lost one or both parents is disgracefully high. The kids in Palestine likewise, and we, by our blindly following the US are also responsible for them as well. </p>
<p>The reply from Howard was as you&#8217;d imagine - full of crap! I marched in protest on Feb 16, and anytime I&#8217;ve had the chance since. It&#8217;s beyond appalling, that Rudd has put more troups in Afghanistan, and I know that many Australian businesses (including BHP Billiton) have been responsible for the lust for oil and other business &#8216;interests&#8217; in Iraq. Even the &#8216;seed&#8217; industry has been taken over by the US. The use of seeds in agriculture in Iraq goes back hundreds of years. Each year the new seeds are planted etc, much the same as here. Thanks to the US, they&#8217;ve patented many, and now those farmers will have to pay prior to planting new seasons&#8217; crops. This is just another area of their lives, where Paul Bremmer&#8217;s new &#8216;constitution&#8217; has and will ensure, that the people of Iraq will be deprived billions - particularly where it concerns existing oil wells and any new ones. These agreements will probably be in operation for 30 years. Iraq, like all other oil producing countries nationalized its oil industry - the US, Britain and with our concurrence have changed all that. A good website is <a href="http://www.handsoffiraqioil.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.handsoffiraqioil.com</a>  It explains all!</p>
<p>The new US Embassy in Iraq cost millions. It&#8217;s like a small city - self sufficient in every way. I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;ll be no problems with clean water, sewerage and electricity that the masses have to deal with. My understanding, is that the land was just taken over by the US, and no Iraqi was asked. This is against the Geneva Conventions re the responsiblity of occupiers. Why was this built, and are we being lied to re the continued &#8216;occupation&#8217; or &#8216;presence&#8217; of US military personnel in Iraq? Why were the journalists, unionists and workers targeted by the occupiers, what was our role in this? I shudder to think. How many schools, hospitals, sewerage treatment works, power stations have been destroyed, and when and by whom will they be rebuilt? I don&#8217;t think that Iraqi oil money should pay for this. The illegal invaders/occupiers should be made to pay?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see Bush/Blair/Howard charged with war crimes. I&#8217;d also like to see Howard, Ruddick, Downer and other relevant ministers charged under International Law re treatment of asylum seekers. I&#8217;d like to see Sharmon Stone and her parliamentary mates warned by the International Criminal Court of what their fate could be if they persist with their present stance. I feel immense shame, that while raving on about democracy ad nauseum, our national government is just as guilty as Bush/Blair and those who continue the horror in both countries. </p>
<p>STEPHEN - &#8220;There is no one in Australian public life who has stooped so low as JWH , along with his ministers, government and supporters.&#8221;    Indeed!</p>
<p>MICHAEL - &#8220;For how much longer can we pretend that we are the goodies when demonstrably we are the criminals.&#8221;  Sadly, yes!</p>
<p>Lest We Forget!<br />
I&#8217;m damned sure I won&#8217;t!</p>
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		<title>By: michael crook</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael crook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The invasion of Iraq was a war crime and all who decided to participate even down to the soldiers who fired the guns are war criminals. There are now a million dead Iraqi civilians, 5 million seriously injured,  along with 2.8 million internally displaced and 2 million external refugees. Looks a lot like we have perpetraded a genocide here. For how much longer can we pretend that we are the goodies when demonstrably we are the criminals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The invasion of Iraq was a war crime and all who decided to participate even down to the soldiers who fired the guns are war criminals. There are now a million dead Iraqi civilians, 5 million seriously injured,  along with 2.8 million internally displaced and 2 million external refugees. Looks a lot like we have perpetraded a genocide here. For how much longer can we pretend that we are the goodies when demonstrably we are the criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always felt in my water that the nerdy twerp was a war criminal, I think Australia deserves to know the facts about the war. 
He is also a child abuser, I don&#039;t know what else you&#039;d call someone who locks up children without charging them until they are mentally scared for life and watch their parents suicide or self harm. Many of them attempting to escape conflict he helped create.
There is no one in Australian public life who has stooped so low as JWH , along with his ministers, government and supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always felt in my water that the nerdy twerp was a war criminal, I think Australia deserves to know the facts about the war.<br />
He is also a child abuser, I don&#8217;t know what else you&#8217;d call someone who locks up children without charging them until they are mentally scared for life and watch their parents suicide or self harm. Many of them attempting to escape conflict he helped create.<br />
There is no one in Australian public life who has stooped so low as JWH , along with his ministers, government and supporters.</p>
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