Australia’s refugee problem has attracted global attention. This from the New York Times.
Turnbull admits he has no case against Rudd
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Breaking: Turnbull has admitted that there is no case for Prime Minister Rudd to answer. “The case that Mr Rudd misled the house about the communication is not sustained,” he told AM this morning. Australian Federal Police have confirmed the email at the centre of the Utegate affair is a fake. “A preliminary forensic investigation of computers located at a premises in Calwell and at the offices of the Department of Treasury has been undertaken,” the AFP says in a statement. “Preliminary results of those forensic examinations indicate that the email referred to at the centre of this investigation has been created by a person or persons other than the purported author of the email. “A 42 year-old Calwell man has been interviewed by the AFP in relation to this matter and it will be alleged that the interview is consistent with preliminary forensic advice.” Earlier: Bernard Keane writes: Parliament has kicked off its consideration of the John Grant affair with standing orders being suspended to allow a debate over the fake emails and treatment afforded car dealer John Grant. The debate commenced as the ABC broke the news that the house of Treasury official Godwin Grech had been raided by Federal Police and that a faked email had been found within Treasury’s system. Word of the raid appeared to be slow to filter onto the floor of Parliament. Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey, apparently not understanding the meaning of the ABC report, commenced his speech by declaring that it showed that the Prime Minister was wrong when he said there was no email in Treasury. Malcolm Turnbull himself, who led the Opposition attack, gave a poor performance and appeared distracted, lacking his usual forensic focus, and spent much of Hockey’s speech sitting staring at the Dispatch Box. Both Kevin Rudd and Wayne Swan gave aggressive performances, with Rudd also singling out News Ltd for special criticism, particularly of Steve Lewis and the Telegraph’s decision to run with the faked email on Saturday morning. Swan also gave a solid defence of the attacks on him, again rejecting the claim that he had singled Grant out for special treatment and claiming he had provided similar treatment for car dealers represented by Nationals MP Kay Hull. The tenor of the battle could be gauged from the respective backbenches. ALP members were loud and in good voice, while nearly all of the Opposition sat quietly. The most recent breaking news is, according to The Punch, that the AFP are investigating links in the affair between Treasury and Malcolm Turnbull’s office. If there’s anything to that, it will be goodnight Malcolm. This could have all gone so differently if Turnbull had shown some restraint. Bizarrely the online face of The Australian appears in denial of the reality of these unfolding events, insisting that the issue, in its latest reports, dwells entirely on debate over Swann’s role ignoring what is happening in the real world outside parliament. |
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Whatever happens after today, Turnbull has once and for all exposed his total unsuitability for a life as a leading politician. The whole tone of the Opposition’s attempted attack on Rudd and Swan has swung competely to Swan. That leaves Turnbull completely out on a limb. He was the one leading the attack over the email, he was the one accusing the PM and the Treasurer of being liars. Today not even a censure motion against the PM. Nothing. Now the email is a scam. The Feds have found it on the poor jittery Godwin Grech’s home computer. No bloody wonder he was jittery and looking a ruined man. He was well aware the phony email was on his home hard drive. Over the weekend Turnbull and Hockey were defending this unfortunate individual. Let us see now how they defend him. Sen Abetz who I have made reference to many times on this matter is another who should be wondering what the Feds will turn up next. He quoted verbatim from the supposed email at the Senate hearing before the spam document was printed by News Ltd. But according to Turnbull none of his team had any knowledge of the contents, before last Saturday morning. His words this morning on radio.
It appears the Police will now check members of the oppositions computers. The path slowly seems to be leading in a predictable direction. And it certainly isn’t in the Govts direction.
Rudd and Swan are GUILTY.
This issue is NOT about an email, it is about the fraud on seret backroom deals and favours and liars covering their ar*ces.
Labour and Kevin ‘bully’ Rude’s private paid PR spin team can put all the smokes and screen diversion tricks up, coz Kevin ‘BULLY’ RUDE knows he is a goner and his reptutation shot…. he cried communist red tears last night, coz his globalist dream of being head of the United Nations Security Council is slippin away
RUDE and his Canberra flat mate of 10 years aka ‘Australian Treasurer’ Wayne Swan are in deep deep trouble over a scandal of favours for business dealings that could see both of them SACKED from Parliament, it has been labled as ‘Utegate’.
In Kevin Rudd’s bid to dodge fire, deflect and confuse the media reporting on the truth, he is firing furfy’s back at the main accuser Turnbull and getting his team to throw curve balls that looks like keystone cops with contradictory statements of fact and fiction.
This is the Scandal of the Century as it involes LIES, DECEPTION, COVER UPS, FRAUD and PROPAGANDA SPIN at its Ruddy Best.
RuddIsACommunist, you are a fool and need help. What drivel. But surely a great indication of the Liberal party, desperate and in denial. Someone take this poor person by the hand and lead away back to the world of oblivion he/she obviously live in.
David1
You are are but a troll propagating the truth. I bet you believe in Global Warming and think that Humans are the cause of it, and that Obama is the new messiah and we should sell out all OZ recources to China for a penny.
YOUR ad hominem does not cover up the reality that Rudd and Swan are GUILTY.
This issue is NOT about an email, it is about the fraud on secret backroom deals and favours and liars covering their ar*ces.
Labour and Kevin ‘bully’ Rude’s private paid PR spin team can put all the smokes and screen diversion tricks up, coz Kevin ‘BULLY’ RUDE knows he is a goner and his reptutation shot…. he cried communist red tears last night, coz his globalist dream of being head of the United Nations Security Council is slippin away
Rude and his Canberra flat mate of 10 years aka ‘Australian Treasurer’ Wayne Swan are in deep deep trouble over a scandal of favours for business dealings that could see both of them SACKED from Parliament, it has been labled as ‘Utegate’.
In Kevin Rudd’s bid to dodge fire, deflect and confuse the media reporting on the truth, he is firing furfy’s back at the main accuser Turnbull and getting his team to throw curve balls that looks like keystone cops with contradictory statements of fact and fiction.
One of them will go - Kevin Rudd or Wayne Swan.
It may be a dead swan song final curtain call to take the fall for his Kevin bloody Rude.
This is the Scandal of the Century as it involes LIES, DECEPTION, COVER UPS, FRAUD and PROPAGANDA SPIN at its Ruddy Best.
While RuddisACommunist may certainly be a fool but he did get one thing right, this is about lies, deception, cover ups and most excitingly fraud. The Murdoch Press lawyers must be besides themselves and if Malcolm’s gone that would leave Julie in charge of HM opposition(scary thought if you think about it too long). Poor Pete Costello if he’d only waited a week or two more he would have had it all to himself…
Did Costello sniff this before he retired?….and may he be planning a dramatic re-entrance once the dust has settled to assume absolute and unopposed control??
First we had Senator Heffernan making vile allegations against Justice Michael Kirby based on false documentation, then apologising. Now we have the Liberals making more smoke-and-mirror allegations, again based on what is starting to appear as yet more false documentation. They’re losing / have lost the credibility that Opposition parties desperately need. An alternative government party? No way!
Ruddisacommunist is accurate in identifying the characteristics of lies, deception, coverups, fraud, propaganda and spin - but fails to identify the Liberals’ involvement (gullible or otherwise).
*AHEM* - let’s please not feed the trolls.
Godwin Grech is a shoe-in for the role of Golum should a re-make of Lord of the Rings ever go into production
@ BUZZ et all
You keep failing to address the issue of the little cover up / misrepresentation to parliament about the Car dealer mate of Kevin Rude in QLD and Swanies help.
Rudd and Swan are GUILTY.
This issue is NOT about an email, it is about the fraud on secret backroom deals and favours and liars covering their ar*ces.
Labour and Kevin ‘bully’ Rude’s private paid PR spin team can put all the smokes and screen diversion tricks up, coz Kevin ‘BULLY’ RUDE knows he is a goner and his reptutation shot…. he cried communist red tears last night, coz his globalist dream of being head of the United Nations Security Council is slippin away
Rude and his Canberra flat mate of 10 years aka ‘Australian Treasurer’ Wayne Swan are in deep deep trouble over a scandal of favours for business dealings that could see both of them SACKED from Parliament, it has been labled as ‘Utegate’.
In Kevin Rudd’s bid to dodge fire, deflect and confuse the media reporting on the truth, he is firing furfy’s back at the main accuser Turnbull and getting his team to throw curve balls that looks like keystone cops with contradictory statements of fact and fiction.
One of them will go - Kevin Rudd or Wayne Swan.
It may be a dead swan song final curtain call to take the fall for his Kevin bloody Rude.
This is the Scandal of the Century as it involes LIES, DECEPTION, COVER UPS, FRAUD and PROPAGANDA SPIN at its Ruddy Best.
….and RUDDISACOMMUNIST as winnie the poo
RuddIsACommunist, I repeat you are a fool. Every time you add words bears that out.
“LIES, DECEPTION, COVER UPS, FRAUD and PROPAGANDA SPIN” … is politics as per bloody usual AFAIK.
RuddIsACommunist, can you have a go at the Greens, too, cos they are surely a deeper shade of Pink.
How about religion? Where do you stand on that? Vehement Christian?
Women in the workforce? Voting rights for blacks?
Good heavens old chap, there sure are plenty of issues in this modern age, eh?
Anyway, thanks for some great laughs. Are you here all afternoon?
First line of attack is ad hominem to avoid the issue.
Kevin Rude must have a lot of people on his books trolling these websites attacking anyone who brings issue to forefront, is he using taxpayers money or his wife’s money?
Do you get paid by the word or hour?
Favours were done for Kevin Rude’s car saleman’s mate, handled by Swanie.
I thought this was about Wayne Swan misleading the parliament after denying he gave TLC attention to a constituent of Rudd’s? Separate to that is the fake email that sent Malcolm Turnbull on a false trail of supposition and accusation (as a lawyer?) before checking his evidence. On the first count I’ve no doubt Swan gave preferential treatment to Grant and on the second I somehow think the Liberal Party with Costello in the background has tried to sabotage Malcolm.
I’m guessing that Ruddisacommunist is our old friend AnnofWA
the random capitalisation is a giveway
Ruddisacommunist: Why go to all the trouble of pretending to be a vulgar, common person with little or no education… Unless you are a vulgar etc…..
“You are are but a troll propagating the truth.”
I think someone needs to buy a dictionary. I also think I can hear the waaambulance from here.
Turnbull’s lack of morality has-until he entered politics-has been carefully hidden-No wonder he made so much money he was prepared to lie himself into the ground. Now he is leader of the Opposition he has no compunction about being a party to a cheap and squalid scam which has succeeded in tarnishing himself. That a man of such ambition should resort to such a piddling scam is ludicrous, tasteless, artless, and-quite frankly contemptible. (Oh Christ a Nasho is braying his head off).
Perhaps he is merely a wind-up doll. He sat through the parliamentary bun-fight staring at the dispatch box. At some stage he got to his feet, did a long rant then sat down again.
Oh er. Just heard Anthony Albanese urging Malcolm Turnbull’s Party to bring back the Member for Higgins. Multiple silences.
Here I am wishing I voted for the Liberals just so I could threaten never to vote for them again.
Ruddisacommunist: As the backroom deals and special favours that Turnbull has been going on about were based on an email that is now apparently known to be a fake, is there not reason to reconsider whether or not they are factual? Even your monniker indicates a certain bias… that shall we say, limits your credibility on this.
The thing I wonder about is why Gordon Grech had this email on his home computer and not at work? Why wasn’t it brought to the attention of the relevant authorities when the issue was first raised, and certainly by the time they were hunting for this specific mail? I look forward to hearing more about this over the coming week.
there is something distinctly Dickensian about Godwin Grech, both in his name and his mannerisms.
he seems ever so ‘umble
“The thing I wonder about is why Gordon Grech had this email on his home computer and not at work? “
There’s been an amazing demonstration over the weekend of how much people do NOT understand how emails work. Mind you, after what Turnbull did to the internet in .au by agreeing to sell OzEmail to Worldcom (which promptly went bust), it’s hardly surprising to anyone in the industry that he doesn’t know how SMTP works.
It’s as if people have never received a phishing or spam email to their private accounts, never heard of the Palin email hack… and so on. As for the emails? *SHOW ME THE HEADERS AND PGP SIGBLOCK* (I not that the PDF’s on The Oz aren’t showing them). Sure, all that can be manipulated by a cracker or someone with unauthorised access to the physical computer, but that is a little harder than your standard phish.
I rather think RuddIsACommunist desist from the rant and instead put up some substantive explaination as exactly to what back room deal or what back room favor has actually been given to Mr Grant?
I also suggest that as Mr Turnbull and the opposition have gat so much heat over an email about which they now apparently knew of only from unsubstantiated reporting in the media and which is now apparently a fake, perhaps RuddIsACommunist could consider that the LIES, DECEPTION, COVER UPS, FRAUD and PROPAGANDA SPIN are all so much TURN-BULL!
There there RuddIsACommunist take your pills (the pink ones work best) and sit quietly and it will all be better in the morning.
Howard would have easily gotten away with this little bit of sleaze, and somehow managed to twist it into an attack on Labor . Turnbull is an amateur at this typical Liberal Party sleaze tactic and should pay the price, leaving his position open to be filled by a liberal party politician more skilled in the arts of lying, clumsy deceit and sabotage.
Any suggestions Spike? perhaps RuddIsACommunist would like the opportunity, seems to have all the relevant qualifications, might take a while though , join the libs party , get preselected in a safe seat, get elected, worm you way up through the ranks and then…..God willing I’ll be long dead by then
Talking of sleaze, deceit etc I note in the House this afternoon the Govt has reintroduced the cocopos legislation and surprise surprise the opposition are going to vote for it. Not support it but vote for it. Subtle difference apparently. Poor old Sen Feilding, left out on a limb with Zenaphont all by their lonesome. What the waste of time and money opposing it in the the first instance proves, is yet another act of stupidity on the part of the Coalition. Someone has got it in for Turnbull and it is coming from his own troops.
This is a great time to be enjoying some annual leave, most interesting.
Ruddisacommunist is good fun eh? This is what happens when you close the institutions and push the loonies out on the street and trust they will take their meds.
My problem in this is how inneffective the “corrupt” PM and treasurer were. Such is ther majesty of their office, so feared are they by treasury thatinsteadof giving him money he got bloody nothing. Sent on his way. I think they should resign for their lack of clout its embarassing.
It is perfectly normal for people to ring Mps and anyone else they can think of if their business is going down the toilet and they need help. It’s not like when John Howard cooked up a sweetheart deal for his brother over National Textiles or when Manildra got a nice deal out of Howard’s office Or the AWB; now we’re talkin corruption.
Swanny looks safe but poor old Malcolm looks like he has blown his feet off and Joe Hockey may have suffered collateral damage as well.
@RUDDISACOMMUNIST, posted elsewhere on Crickey today (from Pink Panther):
Inspector Turnbull: What is your name?
Rudd: I am Kevin, the Prime Minster.
Inspector Turnbull: And what is it you do?
Rudd: I’m the Prime Minister
Inspector Turnbull: Why didn’t you say that in the first place?
Rudd: I did
Inspector Turnbull: Don’t be funny with me, monsieur. This is a very serious matter…and everyone in this room is under the suspicions. And there is a very good chance that someone in this room…knows more about the email than he is telling.
Rudd: Email?
Inspector Turnbull: What was that you said?
Rudd: I said Email.
Inspector Turnbull: What email?
Rudd: Well, I don’t know. You said email.
Inspector Turnbull: I said email? You said email!
Rudd: No, I said email because you said email!
Inspector Turnbull: I said email?
Rudd: You said someone in this room…knows more about the email than he’s telling.
Inspector Turnbull: Now listen…What was your name?
Rudd: Kevin.
Inspector Turnbull: The Treasurer.
Rudd: Prime Minister.
Inspector Turnbull: Ah, now we are getting somewhere!
PS people still bleating about Grant’s preferential treatment. But what did he get? Nothing. And it seems many other dealers were getting a rails run as they sought to keep their dealerships open. This was not happening in normal times. According to the finance journalists it was the end of the world as we know it.
GEORGE that was fabulous!!
Oh I hope Turnbull has learnt not to taddle-tail.
Now, back to some REAL news?
Well Robert Phillips, let’s just say that Joe Hockey could be our next PM
Would it be too cynical too suggest that Turnbull was outmanouvered by somebody in his own party with leadership ambitions?
David1, Libs not wanting to risk a double dissolution all of a sudden? Can’t imagine why.
While former Costello (then Turnbull) staffer Paul Lindwall has now denied a role in this, I think it remains to be seen. He worked at Treasury, knows Gollum Grech, and I don’t know about any of you, but I reckon this is better than the soaps (not that I watch them).
As a web designer involved with bulk mailing I know how easy it is to send an email that has a false sender/return address. That hasn’t come out yet with the email supposedly sent from Treasury, but it shouldn’t be too difficult to trace the IP if that is how it was done - to fool Grech into believing it was an email sent directly to his home from the PM’s office. With a program like MaxBulkMailer, you manually input the sender/reply-to address that appears on the email and can basically put whatever addy you like. Then you only put Grech’s email address in the recipient list.
I think Grech has been set up.
I agree Pedro. As a profession systems administrator and security consultant, there’s definitely something phishy about it all.
This is surely a crafty set up of Malcolm Turnbull by the crafty Gubmint.
Plant a juicy email that is obviously false and would be discovered, and use it as bait to draw the opposition into making utter gooses of themselves.
This is surely a crafty set up of Malcolm Turnbull by the crafty Gubmint.
Very Long Bow there, Rob Kruger.
Let’s be realistic here. Paul Lindwall, Turnbull staffer until the end of May (coincidence?) sends an email from his Treasury pc through a bulk email or email falsifier program to Mr Grech at his home address. The IP address of the originating email can be traced - every pc/Mac has a unique ID. It’s traced back to Treasury. Ding, ding!!
Why did the AFP go straight to Treasury after finding the email on Grech’s home computer?
You just can’t sent anonymous emails without being traced back to your original sending location. If it’s a government computer they will be able to trace any mails sent through a CD-loaded program that wasn’t even installed.
Joe Hockey is the one coming out on top here. he seems so nice and cuddly, but I reckon he’s as ruthless and scheming as Howard.
I think people are missing the point: this issue is a Murdoch gutter press circulation-building concotion, which managed to suck in an Opposition not fit to hold the office.
Australia needs to look at the role of newscrap, and its acolytes in the ABC, in promoting this sordid and despicable affair.
Newscrap, ably abetted by its pathetic parrots in Brissenden and Uhlmann on the ABC, has proved in this (who really needed proof after its Pauline Hanson lies) that it is utterly lacking in professionalism and competence, integrity and honesty, and journalistic ethics, not to mention any form of basic morality.
Australia’s media is contemptible. No wonder journalists rank lower than used car salesmen and politicians themselves in public opinion polls.
Stay on topic, Mr Squid! The Murdoch press are no doubt in the pocket of the Neocons like Turnbull, but this thread is about Turnbull’s office being linked directly to the Utegate scandal.
Do you have anything relevant to add to the thread??
Turnbull is now saying that Swan should apologise because the fake email originated in Treasury. The man is an idiot because he thinks we are idiots who will swallow whole whatever sophistry he comes up with.
He will not make it to the next election.
Great stuff George….they wouldn’t dare give the Govt a sniff of a dbl dissolution at the moment Spike….I suspect Turnbull will want whoever did this to him. He can be a very bad bad man and a vicious enemy. Someone best be very careful, it will come out eventually and if mal has to fall on his sword he will take others with him. This Opposition is a disgrace and how anyone can possibly stick up for them is unbeleivable…I read some of the contributions to Lewis column in the Tele and it verges on the insane some of the stupid contributions supporting the Libs, they just dont want to see what is staring them fair in the face.
Incidently dont know how many here see the absurd polls run by Sky News. I mailed them asking why they do not show how many vote in their silly biased questions. Biased because the socio eco group that would subscribe to Foxtel and watch Sky News would be in the main the more affluent segment of society, Lib supporters. Of course if you ask their news editor something that actually points out a perceived anomoly in their transmission, silence prvails. I asked why they do not do surveys to gauge the number of viewers, age groups, time zones they are watched. Nothing in reply, which sums up their arrogant attitude. Being a Murdoch owned company of course what more can one expect but arrogance and up yours mate.
Well said, David Sanderson.
The Liberals have the Born To Rule: Convict. attitude. It’s that simple here.
Malcolm is an effective litigation lawyer, but a totally dud politician.
Litigation lawyers don’t make good pollies IMHO.
Does anyone seriously believe that Grech acted alone in this matter? Any reasonable understanding would assume that the involvement of at least an Liberal apparatchik, and possibly others higher up the food chain, was highly likely. A good hard look at Abetz, for example, is highly warranted.
The pattern of fraudulent behavior we are seeing from various Liberal politicians and their various hangers-on is evidence of how far Howard degraded the political morality of his party. The shabbiness that was Howard’s hallmark has become the hallmark of the party he once utterly dominated.
Who else believes the 2 major parties’ meltdown over “integrity” is incredibly ironic?
I think they may have invented the next peoples’ festival theme: We’ve had Sydney Writers Festival., and Sydney Film Festival. Now we are having the Tipping Point Denial Festival ….meaning the two major parties are busy talking about themselves endlessly and effectively useless. Who else is not surprised at this timing with climate running on a parallel track?
This ‘narcisistic rage’, to borrow a phrase from Australian Story tonight, is quite the profound example of sublimation of their failure on the issue of their lifetime (and their childrens’ life too).
They really, really just don’t get it.
Oh and for those Harry Potter fans like me: Godwin Grech might be a Dickensian name but his literary likeness is very modern indeed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobby_the_house_elf#Dobby
Oh dear… legitimate emails now made available from the Treasurer’s office showing that John Grant was not unique in contact between Government and car dealers.
Bye bye Malcolm.
Nobody is going to come out of Ute-gate smelling of anything else but shit. But as Pedro said, litigation lawyers are the art form of deceit. Malcolm Turnbull gets caught out in a squalid scam linked by an employee of Rupert Murdoch. Voilá blame the Prime Minister. Then he alters course. Blame Wayne Swan, apparently because the email was written by someone possibly working in Treasury. Why?
Because the syntax is similar. WTF? Why doesn’t he go back to making money? Better than making a horse’s arse out of himself.
Is it all to divert the public’s attention away from appalling ignoring of ETS and the bill before the house at present?
What a way to run a country.
Gretch an ex-Hockey staffer. Hockey rings Gretch just before Senate inquiry. As I predicted, Hockey is up to his tits in this.
On the one hand Hockey says that he has very little to do with Grech, and hasn’t conversed with him in years. On the other hand he says that he rang Grech at this incredibly ‘delicate’ time as a mere courtesy?
Turnbull on AM more or less admitted that he had spoken to Grech over the last few months. He refused to reveal what he had discussed with him. His possible complicity in a conspiracy is worth pursuing.
I’ve been to 3 parish fetes and a goat f**king and it has been a long time since I have seen a comedy of errors such as this.
I’ve just finished reading Annabel Crabbe’s quarterly essay on Turnbull and given what I read there, I’m surprised that someone as caculating as Turnbull to “push the last pass” and given away an intercept.
I think that there are goingto be a few more interesting revelations before this is over.
Given the way the member for Higgins has sulked around hating Turnbull it looks awfully like he planted the whole damn thing. This is wishful thinking on my behalf. As Gacoxd says it’s not like the human calculator, Malcolm Turnbull, to give away an intercept…..
Turnbull and the media have been at this like a dog at a bone for weeks now, based on what? A car dealer that got nothing and a fake email. Now the stench of real, not imagined, corruption is emerging. The Libs have been playing dangerous crash through or crash politics ever since Turnbull became leader. This ain’t over yet folks, not by a long shot. Heads will roll.
It’s like playing the game ‘getting warmer’. After Joe Hockey baulked at answering if he’d been in recent contact with Godwin Gretch it seemed the heat went up a little. Turnbull also refused to comment on a Hockey Gretch link other than reiterating their working relationship years ago around the time of HIH. Ideal outcome if Costello exited the House carrying his own time-bomb.
Insufficient time to read up this whole string, but just to repeat my comment on the late Fri piece by BK, regarding the provenance of the “fake” email.
Piers Akerman has a quote in the press too today from Grech that refuses to concede the “email dooesn’t exist”.
So the AFP say what they have found is consistent with a forgery. Well lots of things are “consistent” in the AFP’s world. Just ask Mohammed Haneef!
My comment still holds and bares repeating methinks:
“Fair comment Spike, but the AFP warrant and search of GG’s ‘puter still seems equivocal to me. Who sent it to him? Who created it? How come it came from Treasury (?) and yet we were assured even a deleted version would have already been found?
Was it a WP version only? Or maybe Gmail or such like? I give up.
GG needs a good lawyer pronto, that’s for sure. And said (!) lawyer present at any interviews with the AFP too I would say.
As Mark Riley said on 7 on Sunday night news - who ever faked this email ‘is going to gaol’. That’s grim.”
And to add my other comment on Stilgerian (spelling?) yesterday, namely that hot desking a send from someone else’s work station is more than conceivable, but by who??? And why did the original sweep assured to us by the PM not throw this up?
Certainly we are getting closer to the truth about all this deception but we are not there yet and yes the bottle is still spinning to leave someone naked in the middle of Martin Place on a cold winter day.
But I do find it touching that the Canberra Press Gallery are so trusting of an “indicative” advice from the AFP. And that’s even if Rudd and Charlton and Swan are entirely innocent. Indeed if all the main players including Turnbull and Grech are innocent except for a dose of hyperbole as Gerard Henderson might say (as per SMH column today).
Turnbull might have to admit that yes, he did know about the email well before yesterday’s exhibition, and that yes, he did have something to do with the whole scam, and throw himself on the mercy of the chamber. Peter Costello has until next Tuesday, 30th June, until his retirement is irreversible. In the light of what has been happening is it beyond possible he might change his mind?
Kevin Rudd might have made a good PM if he hadn’t decided that all the ministerial departments had to be run by two people. The person who was given the job together with the inclusion of himself. Stephen Smith could have saved himself a lot of heat from his family by opting out of all the travel, in the knowledge that Kevin Rudd would be doing it twice over.
Rudd has done everything from being an art critic which happens to fall within the jurisdiction of Peter Garrett’s portfolio-as with one lightening look at Bill Henson’s photo of a young girl, from somewhere in Shanghai, immediately enabled him to state the work to be filth. Oh we in Oz do so not need this kind of moralistic crap.
There are two people in charge of environmental concerns. Peter Garrett, Environment, Heritage and the Arts, and Senator Wong. Rudd himself brings up the tally to three people. the main spokesperson is of course, Kevin Rudd. I am informed that many of the bills which reach the Senate are devoid of detail. Thus making it impossible for anyone to sign these documents lest they find themselves at odds with some future law. In short the man has, entirely by his own interference, rendered the Labor Government down to the level of a farce.
It is my belief that the person to get everything and everyone back on the road again, Australia and the Labor Party, urgently need The Deputy Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, to take over.
Maybe, Pedro. But it’s just as possible to be a government plot as it is to be an opposition plot.
If I were in government (or in the treasury) and I knew there was someone regularly leaking information, (and there are regular leaks from treasury) I would use the tried and tested method of planting false information with a prime suspect and seeing if it leaked.
Wrong! There are several methods of sending an anonymous email which conceal the originating IP. Concealing IP is trivial- Use TOR, or a VPN anonymizer, or I2P, or a simple proxy. There are even websites from which you can send an email in total anonymity. You can absolutely send completely anonymous emails- it’s trivial to do so.
FORGING an IP is also possible, and is a common hacking technique.
Hacking the email header and forwarding paths is also easily done.
Whether that was done in this case I don’t know. I expect we’ll all find out.
Just don’t discount the non-obvious possibilities.
One might have known the whole thing emanated from the sick and twisted mind of John Winston Howard. We shouldn’t have expected any better from Malcolm Turnbull. As he has proved tonight on Channel two he makes the morals of an Alley cat look pretty classy.
poor old pedro: off the topic?
Hardly. here’s bernard keane this afternoon: A pattern involving coordinated News Ltd and Opposition claims against the Government that turn out to be false seems to be emerging.
This squalid little affair is a result of the filth at newscrap getting together with the filth from the LNP.
Dishonesty and immoraility hand in hand with dishonesty and immorality.
They deserve each other.