Comments on: Pre-conference pandemonium in Brumby’s ALP http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/12/pre-conference-pandemonium-in-brumbys-alp/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:58:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Matthew Tillman http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/12/pre-conference-pandemonium-in-brumbys-alp/#comment-28643 Matthew Tillman Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:03:48 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/12/pre-conference-pandemonium-in-brumbys-alp/#comment-28643 Zoomster, I have spoken with several people about conference as I was not there. But these friends were and their take is opposite ti your own. NOTHING new. NOTHING different, and the fault is due to one Stephen Newnham and the ultra right (almost Liberal) faction of the ALP. His partner is a fanatic right winger and sits in parliament. He also wants a seat but compared to her he is a mental shell. As to dear dearicott, what a loser. He should shut up and trim the roses. My concern is that the party is as balanced as is the government. I am NOT Labor nor do I have any interest in them other than my fiance and a few friends whom I otherwise trust implicitly But can we afford to have the fanatics run riot, protected by a right wing machine whose supreme leader, one Bobby Hulls cares only about power and not about quality? The sole thing that guarantees that things will be fluid is that the Liberals are lead by a man that, privately, even Liberal MPs wish were gone Maybe we can get peter Costello to now come on and take over the reins. I know that he was ALP at uni but he has improved a heck of a lot since those dark days in his life when hewas a mate of Michal Danby Zoomster, I have spoken with several people about conference as I was not there. But these friends were and their take is opposite ti your own. NOTHING new. NOTHING different, and the fault is due to one Stephen Newnham and the ultra right (almost Liberal) faction of the ALP. His partner is a fanatic right winger and sits in parliament. He also wants a seat but compared to her he is a mental shell.
As to dear dearicott, what a loser. He should shut up and trim the roses.
My concern is that the party is as balanced as is the government. I am NOT Labor nor do I have any interest in them other than my fiance and a few friends whom I otherwise trust implicitly
But can we afford to have the fanatics run riot, protected by a right wing machine whose supreme leader, one Bobby Hulls cares only about power and not about quality? The sole thing that guarantees that things will be fluid is that the Liberals are lead by a man that, privately, even Liberal MPs wish were gone
Maybe we can get peter Costello to now come on and take over the reins. I know that he was ALP at uni but he has improved a heck of a lot since those dark days in his life when hewas a mate of Michal Danby

]]> By: zoomster http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/12/pre-conference-pandemonium-in-brumbys-alp/#comment-28588 zoomster Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:35:03 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/12/pre-conference-pandemonium-in-brumbys-alp/#comment-28588 Oh get over it. I'm one of the people who pay their own memberships that Dearicott claims to represent. I'm also proudly not a member of any faction (not even Dearicott's). Firstly, State conference on Saturday was great, one of the best I've been to and full of genuine debate about the rules. Secondly, Dearicott is simply out for attention. He had his chance to clean up the party and blew it. His reign of terror, where truly non factional people like myself were treated like dirt because we didn't do what Eric said, exposed him for the hypocrite he is. Dearicott knows party proceedures as well as anyone. He refuses to follow them, instead running to his mates in the media every time his will is crossed. Don't give the man oxygen. Oh get over it.

I’m one of the people who pay their own memberships that Dearicott claims to represent. I’m also proudly not a member of any faction (not even Dearicott’s).

Firstly, State conference on Saturday was great, one of the best I’ve been to and full of genuine debate about the rules.

Secondly, Dearicott is simply out for attention. He had his chance to clean up the party and blew it. His reign of terror, where truly non factional people like myself were treated like dirt because we didn’t do what Eric said, exposed him for the hypocrite he is.

Dearicott knows party proceedures as well as anyone. He refuses to follow them, instead running to his mates in the media every time his will is crossed.

Don’t give the man oxygen.

]]> By: Matthew Tillman http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/12/pre-conference-pandemonium-in-brumbys-alp/#comment-28570 Matthew Tillman Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:51:08 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/12/pre-conference-pandemonium-in-brumbys-alp/#comment-28570 Hey guys. Brumby is not the issue. he really is trying to do the right thing, I hear. But the evil doer is one Robby J Hulls, the close mate and active supporter of many of the thugs listed in the report by the Ombudsman. This bloke, whome one daily paper reminded us last week that he employs a convicted felon in his office and takes advice from him, is adamant that councillors cannot work directly for MPs. Yet he is silent on those whose husband or wife work for MPs. He is silent on those who have senior jobs in departments including his own Justice Dept. And he was 100% silent on the fact that the characters named by the intrepid Ombudsman were at Conference AND standing for election to the ALP's most senior governing body, the National Conference. Yes on the ballot paper were names like Suleyman, Languillar and Seitz as well as most of their co horts, their stooges, their subordinates. So what has changed Mr Hulls? These characters are still in the ALP. They were at conference. They have not reduced anything about their ALP activities. I feel sorry fopr Madden coz he is a nice guy and very decent. I feel sorry for Brumby who is trying to lead a state in the face of minor corruption that does not affect government but which is stressing many across the state. But mostly I feel sorry for the poor dumb lugs who still get forced to vote for the same characters that the Ombudsman would never invite to dinner at his place. Hey guys. Brumby is not the issue. he really is trying to do the right thing, I hear. But the evil doer is one Robby J Hulls, the close mate and active supporter of many of the thugs listed in the report by the Ombudsman.
This bloke, whome one daily paper reminded us last week that he employs a convicted felon in his office and takes advice from him, is adamant that councillors cannot work directly for MPs. Yet he is silent on those whose husband or wife work for MPs. He is silent on those who have senior jobs in departments including his own Justice Dept.
And he was 100% silent on the fact that the characters named by the intrepid Ombudsman were at Conference AND standing for election to the ALP’s most senior governing body, the National Conference.
Yes on the ballot paper were names like Suleyman, Languillar and Seitz as well as most of their co horts, their stooges, their subordinates. So what has changed Mr Hulls?
These characters are still in the ALP. They were at conference. They have not reduced anything about their ALP activities.
I feel sorry fopr Madden coz he is a nice guy and very decent. I feel sorry for Brumby who is trying to lead a state in the face of minor corruption that does not affect government but which is stressing many across the state.
But mostly I feel sorry for the poor dumb lugs who still get forced to vote for the same characters that the Ombudsman would never invite to dinner at his place.

]]> By: John Bennetts http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/12/pre-conference-pandemonium-in-brumbys-alp/#comment-28564 John Bennetts Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:11:20 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/12/pre-conference-pandemonium-in-brumbys-alp/#comment-28564 Richard, Perhaps you come from Victoria and see things through a different lens than I do. In NSW Mr Brumby's brand has very little traction in the marketplace and his refusal to do anything positive re water allocations and water trading in the Murray-Darling basin indicate parochialism at its worst, leading towards cross-border legal disputes in the High Court with both NSW and SA, if not also ACT and QLD. I sincerely hope that Victorian ALP standards are not so low as to invite him or to permit him to stand for Canberra. Richard,

Perhaps you come from Victoria and see things through a different lens than I do.

In NSW Mr Brumby’s brand has very little traction in the marketplace and his refusal to do anything positive re water allocations and water trading in the Murray-Darling basin indicate parochialism at its worst, leading towards cross-border legal disputes in the High Court with both NSW and SA, if not also ACT and QLD.

I sincerely hope that Victorian ALP standards are not so low as to invite him or to permit him to stand for Canberra.

]]> By: Richard Wilson http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/12/pre-conference-pandemonium-in-brumbys-alp/#comment-28517 Richard Wilson Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:38:34 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/12/pre-conference-pandemonium-in-brumbys-alp/#comment-28517 Does anybody know when Brumby will make a move to Canberra? His moves over the last two years indicate to me a grander game plan. He just seems the most nationally minded of the premiers i.e. most willing to work hand in glove with the Feds, and the only time that is ever the case is when someones next move is to the bigger game. Am I wrong? Does anybody know when Brumby will make a move to Canberra? His moves over the last two years indicate to me a grander game plan. He just seems the most nationally minded of the premiers i.e. most willing to work hand in glove with the Feds, and the only time that is ever the case is when someones next move is to the bigger game. Am I wrong?

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