Comments on: Symonds and booze: Cricket Australia’s double standards http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:37:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Darren Holmes http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28158 Darren Holmes Sun, 07 Jun 2009 02:52:16 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28158 If Symonds has an agreement with CA that covers his behaviour, then we all should grin and bear it. He has committed a minor breach, according to the article, but that is opinion only. Given his history, Symonds was bound to suffer harsh punishment. Either way, he was already in the twilight of his international career. Lets concentrate on the cricket. If Symonds has an agreement with CA that covers his behaviour, then we all should grin and bear it. He has committed a minor breach, according to the article, but that is opinion only. Given his history, Symonds was bound to suffer harsh punishment. Either way, he was already in the twilight of his international career. Lets concentrate on the cricket.

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]]> By: RV http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28144 RV Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:55:46 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28144 Call me a pedant but I'm not sure why "leadership group" is an oxymoron. It's a group of leaders. The senior members of the team. The captain and the first and second mates, for example. Call me a pedant but I’m not sure why “leadership group” is an oxymoron. It’s a group of leaders. The senior members of the team. The captain and the first and second mates, for example.

]]> By: monalisanot http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28139 monalisanot Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:09:04 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28139 Who cares? Who cares?

]]> By: Liz45 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28129 Liz45 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:48:29 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28129 SCOTT - Are you serious? While David Boon may have over indulged once on a plane, the whole emphasis re alcohol these days is much worse than years ago - and it's being started much younger too! Just talk to highly qualified medical people, who spend their night shifts, holding the hand of some young idiot who's either vomiting or abusing them, and having to put up with their drunken mates - male and female! That's the 'club' these days, and the rules are to just drink until you fall down - drunk or dead! I don't hear Cricket Australia adding their voices to the medical profession or the police, by ceasing their relationship with leading alcohol manufacturers and peddlers. They don't even stipulate, that ads shown while cricket is being played should carry responsible messages! When sporting bodies, all of them, start facing up to their community obligations, they'll stop this hypocritical attitude re alcohol. When teams win, they spray each other with the brand that the sponsors stipulate. If it wasn't such a disgrace, it would be funny! Alcoholism is an illness, and should be treated as such. I thought the days had gone where we treated this illness as a weakness and the alcoholic as a criminal. Cricket Australia has just shown itself to be like too many authoritarian bodies, a bunch of hypocrites! Do as I say, not as I do! SCOTT - Are you serious? While David Boon may have over indulged once on a plane, the whole emphasis re alcohol these days is much worse than years ago - and it’s being started much younger too! Just talk to highly qualified medical people, who spend their night shifts, holding the hand of some young idiot who’s either vomiting or abusing them, and having to put up with their drunken mates - male and female! That’s the ‘club’ these days, and the rules are to just drink until you fall down - drunk or dead! I don’t hear Cricket Australia adding their voices to the medical profession or the police, by ceasing their relationship with leading alcohol manufacturers and peddlers. They don’t even stipulate, that ads shown while cricket is being played should carry responsible messages!

When sporting bodies, all of them, start facing up to their community obligations, they’ll stop this hypocritical attitude re alcohol. When teams win, they spray each other with the brand that the sponsors stipulate. If it wasn’t such a disgrace, it would be funny! Alcoholism is an illness, and should be treated as such. I thought the days had gone where we treated this illness as a weakness and the alcoholic as a criminal. Cricket Australia has just shown itself to be like too many authoritarian bodies, a bunch of hypocrites! Do as I say, not as I do!

]]> By: jchercelf http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28122 jchercelf Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:05:35 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28122 I'm not the only one who watches cricket only when Symonda is playing - the rules make fools of the board. I’m not the only one who watches cricket only when Symonda is playing - the rules make fools of the board.

]]> By: Chris Johnston http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28092 Chris Johnston Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:56:39 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28092 Really..... I think we all need to lay off Roy and ask the real question..... where the hell were his fellow team mates!! How come the other cane toads and cockroaches within the Aussie cricket team (Watson, Haddin, Clarke, Clark, Lee, Warner, Hauritz etc) weren't out with him cheering on their respective team and enjoying an ale or two????? Fair dinkum.... its state of origin - hang your heads in shame boys! CJ Really….. I think we all need to lay off Roy and ask the real question….. where the hell were his fellow team mates!! How come the other cane toads and cockroaches within the Aussie cricket team (Watson, Haddin, Clarke, Clark, Lee, Warner, Hauritz etc) weren’t out with him cheering on their respective team and enjoying an ale or two????? Fair dinkum…. its state of origin - hang your heads in shame boys!
CJ

]]> By: David Howe http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28090 David Howe Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:47:11 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28090 Clearly Scott thinks these are more enlightened times, oh and spare us the sanctimonious tones and team rah rah crud. When CA stops taking money from alcohol companies who use the success of the australian cricket team to peddle their drugs to the wider community, then and only then will they be entitled to sack a player for abusing the very drug they represent. Andrew is a stat, just like the rest of the country who has an alcohol problem and I will miss him in a team of otherwise squeaky clean clones. Clearly Scott thinks these are more enlightened times, oh and spare us the sanctimonious tones and team rah rah crud. When CA stops taking money from alcohol companies who use the success of the australian cricket team to peddle their drugs to the wider community, then and only then will they be entitled to sack a player for abusing the very drug they represent.

Andrew is a stat, just like the rest of the country who has an alcohol problem and I will miss him in a team of otherwise squeaky clean clones.

]]> By: Robert Wingrove http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28083 Robert Wingrove Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:33:25 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28083 Bad new for England this - Symonds' capers could have nicely undermined the Australian team this (northern) summer. There's still the possibility of the Lara Bingle angle, however. Not that I'm clutching at straws or anything. Bad new for England this - Symonds’ capers could have nicely undermined the Australian team this (northern) summer. There’s still the possibility of the Lara Bingle angle, however. Not that I’m clutching at straws or anything.

]]> By: Scott http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28081 Scott Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:32:06 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28081 I have a few problems with the arguments listed in this article. 1. Can't compare generations. Things that occured in less enlightened times have no place in the modern world. Boonie drinking his way to England in the 80's cannot be compared to Symonds boozing on in today's times. You might as well compare the "White Australia policy" to today's open immigration policy. Culture changes. 2. The argument that as CA accepts the dollars from alcohol companies, there is a double standard in expecting its players not to drink is also ingenuous. CA is Andrew Symonds employer, not sponser. CA has a right (and responsibilty) to ask its players to adhere to a code of conduct. 3. As part of a team, you have to adhere to team rules. Part of the deal. No one is bigger than the team. You may not like the rules, but once they are signed off by the team leaders, that's it. The reason Andrew is going home is not because he had a drink, but because he turned his back on the team. I have a few problems with the arguments listed in this article.

1. Can’t compare generations. Things that occured in less enlightened times have no place in the modern world. Boonie drinking his way to England in the 80’s cannot be compared to Symonds boozing on in today’s times. You might as well compare the “White Australia policy” to today’s open immigration policy. Culture changes.

2. The argument that as CA accepts the dollars from alcohol companies, there is a double standard in expecting its players not to drink is also ingenuous. CA is Andrew Symonds employer, not sponser. CA has a right (and responsibilty) to ask its players to adhere to a code of conduct.

3. As part of a team, you have to adhere to team rules. Part of the deal. No one is bigger than the team. You may not like the rules, but once they are signed off by the team leaders, that’s it. The reason Andrew is going home is not because he had a drink, but because he turned his back on the team.

]]> By: meski http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28079 meski Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:31:00 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/05/symonds-and-booze-cricket-australias-double-standards/#comment-28079 If you're serious about this CA, give up your alcohol sponsorships. Else leave Symonds alone. If you’re serious about this CA, give up your alcohol sponsorships. Else leave Symonds alone.

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