Comments on: George Tiller and the American abortion debate http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:33:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: joeroach http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27865 joeroach Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:36:55 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27865 Raoul, in my view intentionally taking another human life except with the sanction and due process of national law is wrong. In my view it matters not whether the issue or crime is abortion, rape, war, or, in the eighteenth century, picking a pocket or stealing livestock. As soon as we open the door to punishment - and especially capital punishment - outside of the rule of law, I'm not sure what separates us from criminals and terrorists. Raoul, in my view intentionally taking another human life except with the sanction and due process of national law is wrong. In my view it matters not whether the issue or crime is abortion, rape, war, or, in the eighteenth century, picking a pocket or stealing livestock. As soon as we open the door to punishment - and especially capital punishment - outside of the rule of law, I’m not sure what separates us from criminals and terrorists.

]]> By: Liz45 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27863 Liz45 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:42:39 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27863 Beverley Kilsby - I've met many women who've chosen to have an abortion. I can assure you, that none had the attitude to, " go about life in a happy frame of mine." It was most traumatic for them. I agree with JOEROACH when he said that people like this murderer "betray their lack of faith by taking into their own hands the divine justice they say is the responsibility of their divine." I'm frequently amazed by those in the US who emphatically support 'the right to life' but support capital punishment and war/s? I find this quite confusing! Beverley Kilsby - I’ve met many women who’ve chosen to have an abortion. I can assure you, that none had the attitude to, ” go about life in a happy frame of mine.” It was most traumatic for them. I agree with JOEROACH when he said that people like this murderer “betray their lack of faith by taking into their own hands the divine justice they say is the responsibility of their divine.”

I’m frequently amazed by those in the US who emphatically support ‘the right to life’ but support capital punishment and war/s? I find this quite confusing!

]]> By: Raoul Dunk http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27862 Raoul Dunk Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:36:27 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27862 Why is killing abortionists wrong ? http://www.reason.com/blog/show/133830.html Why is killing abortionists wrong ?
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/133830.html

]]> By: joeroach http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27861 joeroach Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:31:17 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27861 There is another reason, I think, for the attitudes of the western Christian fundamentalists in regard to abortion. It is simply this: that they do not believe in their God, despite all the protestations to the contrary. If they did, they could rest assured that the abortionists they decry will receive their just rewards - eternal damnation presumably - regardless of their own views or acts. Christian fundamentalists betray their lack of faith by taking into their own hands the divine justice they say is the responsibility of their divine. There is another reason, I think, for the attitudes of the western Christian fundamentalists in regard to abortion. It is simply this: that they do not believe in their God, despite all the protestations to the contrary. If they did, they could rest assured that the abortionists they decry will receive their just rewards - eternal damnation presumably - regardless of their own views or acts. Christian fundamentalists betray their lack of faith by taking into their own hands the divine justice they say is the responsibility of their divine.

]]> By: Beverley Kilsby http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27816 Beverley Kilsby Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:48:21 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27816 I guess some find this an awful event the killing of this Abortion Doctor. but I guess many were hurt, by the way he went about his medicine, but it could be a blessing to some. and a pitfall for others, who may need special advise on this subject, so they can go about life in a happy frame of mine. I guess some find this an awful event the killing of this Abortion Doctor. but I guess many were hurt, by the way he went about his medicine, but it could be a blessing to some. and a pitfall for others, who may need special advise on this subject, so they can go about life
in a happy frame of mine.

]]> By: Liz45 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27803 Liz45 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:00:21 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27803 Haters don't have or need "authority"? That's what they are! They'd have no intention of helping a family facing this type of heart wrenching decision. I listen to the comments that parents of children with different disabilities make; the horrific names and hateful comments re their child. People who make either choice deserve our support and understanding. As a society, we don't take care of the very young or the old very well, let alone people who require 24 hour a day care, and yet these do-gooders insist on a course of action, regardless of the consequences. Ask them to sit with you for years while you watch your child in agony, and they'd run a mile! All talk and so called 'christians'? Oh please! They're just hateful people, who comit heinous crimes of violence! Haters don’t have or need “authority”? That’s what they are! They’d have no intention of helping a family facing this type of heart wrenching decision. I listen to the comments that parents of children with different disabilities make; the horrific names and hateful comments re their child.
People who make either choice deserve our support and understanding. As a society, we don’t take care of the very young or the old very well, let alone people who require 24 hour a day care, and yet these do-gooders insist on a course of action, regardless of the consequences. Ask them to sit with you for years while you watch your child in agony, and they’d run a mile! All talk and so called ‘christians’? Oh please! They’re just hateful people, who comit heinous crimes of violence!

]]> By: Herod http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27797 Herod Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:47:57 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27797 Can the fundamentalists (and fervent Catholic anti-abortionists too) be called on views like the one quoted above: "Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the Law of God". Where do they get that from? Not in the Hebrew Bible, not in the New Testament, and the Catholic Encyclopaedia was still saying early last century that the foets didn't have a soul (i.e. wasn't a person) until 40 days from conception..... So, even on their own terms where is their authority? Can the fundamentalists (and fervent Catholic anti-abortionists too) be called on views like the one quoted above:
“Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the Law of God”.

Where do they get that from? Not in the Hebrew Bible, not in the New Testament, and the Catholic Encyclopaedia was still saying early last century that the foets didn’t have a soul (i.e. wasn’t a person) until 40 days from conception….. So, even on their own terms where is their authority?

]]> By: Greg Angelo http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27793 Greg Angelo Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:28:52 +0000 http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/george-tiller-and-the-american-abortion-debate/#comment-27793 I occasionally watch Bill O'Reilly to gain some appreciation of what Goebbels must have been like to a contemporary audience. Religious fundamentalism is a refuge for the feeble minded whether they be supporters of Al Qaeda or residents of the Bible belt. Religious fundamentalism requires no effort as anything you want to believe in can be justified. I suspect that if Jesus was alive today his sympathy would be with the woman with the unwanted pregnancy and not with the religious fundamentalist who believes that murder to satisfy one's own twisted belief structure is justified. I occasionally watch Bill O’Reilly to gain some appreciation of what Goebbels must have been like to a contemporary audience. Religious fundamentalism is a refuge for the feeble minded whether they be supporters of Al Qaeda or residents of the Bible belt. Religious fundamentalism requires no effort as anything you want to believe in can be justified.

I suspect that if Jesus was alive today his sympathy would be with the woman with the unwanted pregnancy and not with the religious fundamentalist who believes that murder to satisfy one’s own twisted belief structure is justified.

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