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	<title>Comments on: C&#8217;mon Crikey, enough David Jones catalogue speculation</title>
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		<title>By: Tamas Calderwood</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-10/#comment-27888</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamas Calderwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joeroach - one more thing.  I would also need an explanation as to what is driving the observed global warming of Mars, Jupiter and Pluto and why their warming is independent from Earth&#039;s warming.  

If Earth&#039;s warming is driven by man-made CO2, then what is driving the warming of the other planets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joeroach - one more thing.  I would also need an explanation as to what is driving the observed global warming of Mars, Jupiter and Pluto and why their warming is independent from Earth&#8217;s warming.  </p>
<p>If Earth&#8217;s warming is driven by man-made CO2, then what is driving the warming of the other planets?</p>
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		<title>By: Tamas Calderwood</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-10/#comment-27886</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamas Calderwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard McGuire - you have no data on ice thickness either so it&#039;s pointless raising that topic.  And that video shows no trend in the data at all.

joeroach - I would need ALL other climate factors discounted to show that a minor, trace gas is the dominant factor in our climate.  Computer models that simply assert this are a joke.

So I would need to be shown that volcanic activity, Solar cycles, plate techtonics, ocean currents, cosmic rays and many, many other factors cannot explain the tiny amount of recent warming we have had in the past century (during our recovery from the little ice age).

The global warmers take none of those factors into account and simply assert that CO2 is the one factor that drives climate.  So what about all past climate changes?  What were they driven by?

The onus is on the warmers to prove their theory.  I don&#039;t have to prove that cliamte change is natural because history shows that climate variability is a fact long before humans could possibly have influenced it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard McGuire - you have no data on ice thickness either so it&#8217;s pointless raising that topic.  And that video shows no trend in the data at all.</p>
<p>joeroach - I would need ALL other climate factors discounted to show that a minor, trace gas is the dominant factor in our climate.  Computer models that simply assert this are a joke.</p>
<p>So I would need to be shown that volcanic activity, Solar cycles, plate techtonics, ocean currents, cosmic rays and many, many other factors cannot explain the tiny amount of recent warming we have had in the past century (during our recovery from the little ice age).</p>
<p>The global warmers take none of those factors into account and simply assert that CO2 is the one factor that drives climate.  So what about all past climate changes?  What were they driven by?</p>
<p>The onus is on the warmers to prove their theory.  I don&#8217;t have to prove that cliamte change is natural because history shows that climate variability is a fact long before humans could possibly have influenced it.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Bannister</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-10/#comment-27878</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Bannister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Kelly - It appears that guys will interpret any full stare as &#039;sexy&#039;. 

It reminds me of a passport picture of a friend that a male friend once said was &#039;the sexiest picture of Kerry that [he&#039;d] ever seen&#039;. Kerry had been caught mid-blink and to my eye looked doped, not sexy. She certainly wasn&#039;t feeling sexy at the time the photograph was taken, and the photographer definitely didn&#039;t ask her to pout. 

The question is, do these kinds of pictures cause children to become prematurely sexualised? This is what Rush and La Nauze suggest. When children become sexualised, they exhibit behaviours and are damaged in certain ways, and I don&#039;t believe that link has been proven by the literature. That said, I&#039;m going to read an American Psychological Society report on the issue and can come back with more later.

My only agenda is to protect the rights of my girls to wear and read whatever they want without being censored in the name of protection. My eldest, at 11, is becoming a beautiful young woman, and she prefers to wear adult clothing. What should I do, strap her bustline and force her into kids&#039; clothes? Why shouldn&#039;t she be beautiful? If she happens to stare at you, you&#039;d better bloody well not see it as an invitation, because it won&#039;t be.

Incidentally, I take it you haven&#039;t watched The Bader-Meinhoff Complex?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Kelly - It appears that guys will interpret any full stare as &#8216;sexy&#8217;. </p>
<p>It reminds me of a passport picture of a friend that a male friend once said was &#8216;the sexiest picture of Kerry that [he&#8217;d] ever seen&#8217;. Kerry had been caught mid-blink and to my eye looked doped, not sexy. She certainly wasn&#8217;t feeling sexy at the time the photograph was taken, and the photographer definitely didn&#8217;t ask her to pout. </p>
<p>The question is, do these kinds of pictures cause children to become prematurely sexualised? This is what Rush and La Nauze suggest. When children become sexualised, they exhibit behaviours and are damaged in certain ways, and I don&#8217;t believe that link has been proven by the literature. That said, I&#8217;m going to read an American Psychological Society report on the issue and can come back with more later.</p>
<p>My only agenda is to protect the rights of my girls to wear and read whatever they want without being censored in the name of protection. My eldest, at 11, is becoming a beautiful young woman, and she prefers to wear adult clothing. What should I do, strap her bustline and force her into kids&#8217; clothes? Why shouldn&#8217;t she be beautiful? If she happens to stare at you, you&#8217;d better bloody well not see it as an invitation, because it won&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I take it you haven&#8217;t watched The Bader-Meinhoff Complex?</p>
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		<title>By: joeroach</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-10/#comment-27864</link>
		<dc:creator>joeroach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ENOUGH!  Andrew, Tamas, (and a good many others ranged on both sides), I would like you to respond to one question, and, depending on that answer, to provide some further information.  The question: do you hold your views on rational or non-rational grounds?  Its a yes or a no.  Not a &#039;maybe&#039;, or an &#039;it depends&#039;.  If the answer for either of you is that your views are rationally based I then present this challenge: what are the grounds, testable by independent third party examination of the proffered evidence, on which you would switch sides in this debate?

If you cannot set out the grounds on which you would changes sides, I am afraid, gentlemen, that your views are based on non-rational prejudices.  Over to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ENOUGH!  Andrew, Tamas, (and a good many others ranged on both sides), I would like you to respond to one question, and, depending on that answer, to provide some further information.  The question: do you hold your views on rational or non-rational grounds?  Its a yes or a no.  Not a &#8216;maybe&#8217;, or an &#8216;it depends&#8217;.  If the answer for either of you is that your views are rationally based I then present this challenge: what are the grounds, testable by independent third party examination of the proffered evidence, on which you would switch sides in this debate?</p>
<p>If you cannot set out the grounds on which you would changes sides, I am afraid, gentlemen, that your views are based on non-rational prejudices.  Over to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard McGuire</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-10/#comment-27856</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your right Tamas there was more summer ice in 1998 than 2006-2007 despite 1998 being a warmer year.....Yet there was still less summer ice in 1998 than what there was in 1978....Could we be looking at trend here....Bear in mind one must take into account thickness as well as ice extent.....As for the effect of climate change on the Inuit people, Chapter 15.2 of the IPCC report is worth a read....On a recent Channel 7 documentary, the one featuring Jamie Durie, a first hand account was given by an Inuit elder on how climate change is impacting on the Inuit way of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your right Tamas there was more summer ice in 1998 than 2006-2007 despite 1998 being a warmer year&#8230;..Yet there was still less summer ice in 1998 than what there was in 1978&#8230;.Could we be looking at trend here&#8230;.Bear in mind one must take into account thickness as well as ice extent&#8230;..As for the effect of climate change on the Inuit people, Chapter 15.2 of the IPCC report is worth a read&#8230;.On a recent Channel 7 documentary, the one featuring Jamie Durie, a first hand account was given by an Inuit elder on how climate change is impacting on the Inuit way of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamas Calderwood</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-10/#comment-27830</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamas Calderwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 07:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well yes Richard - but in 2006 and 2007 the Northern Hemisphere Summer was never more than 0.4C above the 30 year mean while in 1998 it was up to almost 0.7C above, yet the ice extent was even greater during summer then.  

Check out the UAH temperature data here:  http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2

I therefore conclude that this is completely normal variability.  And it shows how ridiculous the shrieks that &quot;Arctic ice is disappearing&quot; are.

And by the way, just how many Eskimos have you spoken to about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well yes Richard - but in 2006 and 2007 the Northern Hemisphere Summer was never more than 0.4C above the 30 year mean while in 1998 it was up to almost 0.7C above, yet the ice extent was even greater during summer then.  </p>
<p>Check out the UAH temperature data here:  <a href="http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2" rel="nofollow">http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2</a></p>
<p>I therefore conclude that this is completely normal variability.  And it shows how ridiculous the shrieks that &#8220;Arctic ice is disappearing&#8221; are.</p>
<p>And by the way, just how many Eskimos have you spoken to about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-10/#comment-27817</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathy Bannister obviously can&#039;t see the provocative poses or the provocative looks on the faces of those young girls. Is this a female thing? I am a male and it was certainly the first thing I noticed about the picture before I had even read what the article was about. Given that there were apparently a lot of complaints from DJ customers I am sure not all of these came from men. Perhaps the said Cathy Bannister has another agenda here. A connection with DJs or Saatchi perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy Bannister obviously can&#8217;t see the provocative poses or the provocative looks on the faces of those young girls. Is this a female thing? I am a male and it was certainly the first thing I noticed about the picture before I had even read what the article was about. Given that there were apparently a lot of complaints from DJ customers I am sure not all of these came from men. Perhaps the said Cathy Bannister has another agenda here. A connection with DJs or Saatchi perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard McGuire</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/02/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups-10/#comment-27815</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So take a look at Arctic sea ice levels over 30 years on this Youtube time lapse video: Can you see a trend?&quot;..........What I can see Tamas is notable reduction in the extent of summer ice in 2006-2007 compared to 1978....... I&#039;m not sure what if anything the video tells us about the thickness of that ice.......If still in not sure ask an Eskimo......They don&#039;t seem to be in any doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>So take a look at Arctic sea ice levels over 30 years on this Youtube time lapse video: Can you see a trend?&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.What I can see Tamas is notable reduction in the extent of summer ice in 2006-2007 compared to 1978&#8230;&#8230;. I&#8217;m not sure what if anything the video tells us about the thickness of that ice&#8230;&#8230;.If still in not sure ask an Eskimo&#8230;&#8230;They don&#8217;t seem to be in any doubt.</p>
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