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	<title>Comments on: Freo by-election: the start of big things for the Greens</title>
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		<title>By: William Bowe</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/05/18/freo-by-election-the-beginning-of-big-things-for-the-greens/#comment-26840</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 05:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Kevin, wasn&#039;t aware of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Kevin, wasn&#8217;t aware of that.</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wot i sed at Meaty Chunks above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wot i sed at Meaty Chunks above.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Bonham</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/05/18/freo-by-election-the-beginning-of-big-things-for-the-greens/#comment-26805</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Bonham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 15:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SA had a daylight saving referendum in 1982 and the yes vote won - see www.ecsa.sa.gov.au/apps/uploadedFiles/news/265/Referenda1.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SA had a daylight saving referendum in 1982 and the yes vote won - see <a href="http://www.ecsa.sa.gov.au/apps/uploadedFiles/news/265/Referenda1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecsa.sa.gov.au/apps/uploadedFiles/news/265/Referenda1.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 11:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And from John Walsh over at LP:

[Sorry to get back to the Freo election (and away from teachers, artists etc) but I have been thinking about the last 3 fold flyer Zagami dropped in my area (East Fremantle), which is traditionally Liberal. Baisically the leaflets message placed more emphasis on “Don’t vote Labor” then “Vote Zagami”. I think that Zagami was more intent on making Fremantle a marginal seat then about getting votes for himself. I sopek to my neighbor who is also a Liberalvoter and he said that he was going to vote Green because he did not want to waist his vote on an independant who had no chance of winning. If this was what Zagami wanted to achieve it succeeded because the Greens piccked up about 2000 extra votes from a traditional Liberal area. Very clever campaigning.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And from John Walsh over at LP:</p>
<blockquote><p>Sorry to get back to the Freo election (and away from teachers, artists etc) but I have been thinking about the last 3 fold flyer Zagami dropped in my area (East Fremantle), which is traditionally Liberal. Baisically the leaflets message placed more emphasis on “Don’t vote Labor” then “Vote Zagami”. I think that Zagami was more intent on making Fremantle a marginal seat then about getting votes for himself. I sopek to my neighbor who is also a Liberalvoter and he said that he was going to vote Green because he did not want to waist his vote on an independant who had no chance of winning. If this was what Zagami wanted to achieve it succeeded because the Greens piccked up about 2000 extra votes from a traditional Liberal area. Very clever campaigning.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Greensborough Growler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greensborough Growler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William,

Your analysis does not consider the ALP could get its act together. This is what they have done over the years and there is no doubt that once they focus themselves on winning then they will probably do it again.

Good candidates is always the sign post  to a prosperaous political future. It&#039;s hard to imagine Tagliaferri is the sort of candidate that would appeal to Labor supporters.  

Also, the Libs will need to run a candidate in a full election just for the upper house considerations.

Greens could also cock up which is always a chance (Why should they be any different to any one else).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William,</p>
<p>Your analysis does not consider the ALP could get its act together. This is what they have done over the years and there is no doubt that once they focus themselves on winning then they will probably do it again.</p>
<p>Good candidates is always the sign post  to a prosperaous political future. It&#8217;s hard to imagine Tagliaferri is the sort of candidate that would appeal to Labor supporters.  </p>
<p>Also, the Libs will need to run a candidate in a full election just for the upper house considerations.</p>
<p>Greens could also cock up which is always a chance (Why should they be any different to any one else).</p>
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		<title>By: Psephos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psephos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The obvious next step is to give it a 100-year trial in WA, then have another referendum in 2109.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The obvious next step is to give it a 100-year trial in WA, then have another referendum in 2109.</p>
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		<title>By: William Bowe</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/05/18/freo-by-election-the-beginning-of-big-things-for-the-greens/#comment-26793</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 09:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, DLS was introduced in Tasmania in 1967 to save power and water during a drought (all states previously had it during wartime on the say-so of the federal government), and was apparently popular enough that it was adopted permanently without anyone feeling the need for a referendum. This encouraged NSW, Victoria, Queensland and SA to trial it in 1971, and all but Queensland subsequently made it permanent, in each case without a referendum. However, a referendum was subsequently held in NSW in 1976, and the yes vote won. Since then there have been the 1975, 1984, 1991 and 2009 referendums in WA, preceded by one year trials in the first three cases and a three-year trial most recently. Queensland introduced it in 1989 and held a referendum in 1991, when it was voted down with a no vote of 54.5 per cent - very similar to the WA results. So Tasmania, Victoria and SA have never had a vote.

In answer to your second question, I would say the answer is no. WA keeps getting trials foisted upon it against the evident wishes of the majority because it is supported by powerful interests - who would prefer that it be imposed without a referendum, which governments feel unable to do for political reasons. There is no such powerful lobby calling for its abolition elsewhere. That said, I very much doubt that a referendum would fail outside of WA, Queensland and the Northern Territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, DLS was introduced in Tasmania in 1967 to save power and water during a drought (all states previously had it during wartime on the say-so of the federal government), and was apparently popular enough that it was adopted permanently without anyone feeling the need for a referendum. This encouraged NSW, Victoria, Queensland and SA to trial it in 1971, and all but Queensland subsequently made it permanent, in each case without a referendum. However, a referendum was subsequently held in NSW in 1976, and the yes vote won. Since then there have been the 1975, 1984, 1991 and 2009 referendums in WA, preceded by one year trials in the first three cases and a three-year trial most recently. Queensland introduced it in 1989 and held a referendum in 1991, when it was voted down with a no vote of 54.5 per cent - very similar to the WA results. So Tasmania, Victoria and SA have never had a vote.</p>
<p>In answer to your second question, I would say the answer is no. WA keeps getting trials foisted upon it against the evident wishes of the majority because it is supported by powerful interests - who would prefer that it be imposed without a referendum, which governments feel unable to do for political reasons. There is no such powerful lobby calling for its abolition elsewhere. That said, I very much doubt that a referendum would fail outside of WA, Queensland and the Northern Territory.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/05/18/freo-by-election-the-beginning-of-big-things-for-the-greens/#comment-26756</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 05:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question:  When so-called daylight saving was introduced in other states, was there a referendum in each case?

And another:  Given that the pro-daylight saving lobby has been given four referendums in WA, is there any hope that other states will get a referendum on whether they want to keep it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question:  When so-called daylight saving was introduced in other states, was there a referendum in each case?</p>
<p>And another:  Given that the pro-daylight saving lobby has been given four referendums in WA, is there any hope that other states will get a referendum on whether they want to keep it?</p>
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