Comments on: GetUp: laying our climate strategy on the table http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/09/getup-laying-our-climate-strategy-on-the-table/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:22:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Stuart http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/09/getup-laying-our-climate-strategy-on-the-table/#comment-4808 Stuart Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-4808 Can GetUp please explain in detail what has changed in the thermodynamics of carbon dioxide that results in the large swings in 'global' temperatures so vigorously championed? This is significant given that the temperature forcing of carbon dioxide decreases logarithmically with increasing concentration, and that any such induced variability at current and higher concentrations are likely to be indistinguishable from natural variability due to other natural mechanisms. Can GetUp please explain in detail what has changed in the thermodynamics of carbon dioxide that results in the large swings in ‘global’ temperatures so vigorously championed? This is significant given that the temperature forcing of carbon dioxide decreases logarithmically with increasing concentration, and that any such induced variability at current and higher concentrations are likely to be indistinguishable from natural variability due to other natural mechanisms.

]]> By: RJG http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/09/getup-laying-our-climate-strategy-on-the-table/#comment-4809 RJG Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-4809 The greatest test of the efficacy of the government's CPRS is measured by the amount of vociferous opposition of Big Carb to their poilicies in the media. High levels of noise indicate an effective CPRS, low levels indicate business as usual. There has been no noise apart from the "we need to delay it" . The only conclusion that can be drawn from a reading of the actual policy and the lack of Big Carb noise is that the policy is useless. It should not get throught the Senate. It is a crock. Get-Up is right on the money!<br /><br />I now see Rudd as a person similar to a Tabacco executive. No causal links and it's all legal. Tell that to your kids. The greatest test of the efficacy of the government’s CPRS is measured by the amount of vociferous opposition of Big Carb to their poilicies in the media. High levels of noise indicate an effective CPRS, low levels indicate business as usual. There has been no noise apart from the “we need to delay it” . The only conclusion that can be drawn from a reading of the actual policy and the lack of Big Carb noise is that the policy is useless. It should not get throught the Senate. It is a crock. Get-Up is right on the money!

I now see Rudd as a person similar to a Tabacco executive. No causal links and it’s all legal. Tell that to your kids.

]]> By: Tom McLoughlin http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/09/getup-laying-our-climate-strategy-on-the-table/#comment-4810 Tom McLoughlin Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-4810 I'm wondering what CH thinks the net filtering proposal is doing for online critical mass and unity to tackle climate change policy backsliding. After all isn't it the online folks collectively that changed USA politics with the election of Obama? Might CH be better off parking his agenda with Conroy et al on net filtering until this Copenhagen round is sorted. You know, to keep the peace and capacity build on campaigning?<br /><br />By the way the reason the UK have bipartisan upward rivalry is because it's a fairly small island and they can foresee it drowning whereas Australians like doubting Thomas won't ever believe until the ice caps are irreversibly melting. Now that's what I call a immigration programme to make current record levels of inflow here look like ..... a suburb of London.<br /><br />I mean these eco-dunces are not fit to manage the country let alone the planet. They can't fathom how 35% loss of calcified carapace of icey ocean micro critters (!) can have any real effect on society. And yet they will:<br /><br />ABC AM 9 March 2009:<br /><br />http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2008/s2510740.htm<br /><br />That's the bother with ecology - it's all connected and we to it. I’m wondering what CH thinks the net filtering proposal is doing for online critical mass and unity to tackle climate change policy backsliding. After all isn’t it the online folks collectively that changed USA politics with the election of Obama? Might CH be better off parking his agenda with Conroy et al on net filtering until this Copenhagen round is sorted. You know, to keep the peace and capacity build on campaigning?

By the way the reason the UK have bipartisan upward rivalry is because it’s a fairly small island and they can foresee it drowning whereas Australians like doubting Thomas won’t ever believe until the ice caps are irreversibly melting. Now that’s what I call a immigration programme to make current record levels of inflow here look like ….. a suburb of London.

I mean these eco-dunces are not fit to manage the country let alone the planet. They can’t fathom how 35% loss of calcified carapace of icey ocean micro critters (!) can have any real effect on society. And yet they will:

ABC AM 9 March 2009:

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2008/s2510740.htm

That’s the bother with ecology - it’s all connected and we to it.

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