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	<title>Comments on: Trujillo and Mexicans: a few words on racial stereotyping</title>
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		<title>By: Harry Mavros</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22573</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Mavros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The strength of the negative reaction to Dr Downes initial article gestures towards the following fact: many Australians share a healthy and proper scepticism regarding the liberal and loose usage of deliberately provocative, contestable and damning terms such as &#039;racist&#039; or &#039;paedophile&#039; or &#039;genocide&#039; etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr Downes is correct in pointing out the impropriety of the cartoon in question; as he rightly says, Trujillo is not even a Mexican, he is an American. Nor is Trujillo&#039;s nationality a relevant or appropriate consideration in the context of his actions at Telstra; to have raised it shows the cartoonist to be discriminatory and vulgar. This is all fair and good. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, Dr Downes goes a bridge too far in raising the spectre of racism. It is quite simply an incorrect charge, and given the moral weight implied by any charge of racism, is also a reckless charge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The cartoonist was lampooning a national and cultural stereotype, not a racial genotype.  In other words, the focus of the stereotyping was on the customs and fashions attending to a particular place and culture; these are contingent, dynamic and mutable. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, racism is based on attributes that attend the genetic properties of groupings; while cultural features are also the butt of racist bile, this is merely epiphenomenal; the motivating basis for the derision of the racist is always the assumption of a fixed, absolute and objective genetic inferiority. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Nazis may have heaped scorn on the dress and customs of Jewry, but this is not what identified them as racist (in the abscence of any racial theory, it would simply have made them rude and parochial). It was the underlying assumption of racial superiority and inferiority that gives the Nazis their deserved place on history&#039;s wall of shame.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With all due respect to Dr Downes, to draw the distinction between vulgar parochialism and racism is not to dwell on &#039;technicalities&#039;. Rather, it is to promote truth over hyperbole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strength of the negative reaction to Dr Downes initial article gestures towards the following fact: many Australians share a healthy and proper scepticism regarding the liberal and loose usage of deliberately provocative, contestable and damning terms such as &#8216;racist&#8217; or &#8216;paedophile&#8217; or &#8216;genocide&#8217; etc.</p>
<p>Dr Downes is correct in pointing out the impropriety of the cartoon in question; as he rightly says, Trujillo is not even a Mexican, he is an American. Nor is Trujillo&#8217;s nationality a relevant or appropriate consideration in the context of his actions at Telstra; to have raised it shows the cartoonist to be discriminatory and vulgar. This is all fair and good. </p>
<p>However, Dr Downes goes a bridge too far in raising the spectre of racism. It is quite simply an incorrect charge, and given the moral weight implied by any charge of racism, is also a reckless charge.</p>
<p>The cartoonist was lampooning a national and cultural stereotype, not a racial genotype.  In other words, the focus of the stereotyping was on the customs and fashions attending to a particular place and culture; these are contingent, dynamic and mutable. </p>
<p>On the other hand, racism is based on attributes that attend the genetic properties of groupings; while cultural features are also the butt of racist bile, this is merely epiphenomenal; the motivating basis for the derision of the racist is always the assumption of a fixed, absolute and objective genetic inferiority. </p>
<p>The Nazis may have heaped scorn on the dress and customs of Jewry, but this is not what identified them as racist (in the abscence of any racial theory, it would simply have made them rude and parochial). It was the underlying assumption of racial superiority and inferiority that gives the Nazis their deserved place on history&#8217;s wall of shame.</p>
<p>With all due respect to Dr Downes, to draw the distinction between vulgar parochialism and racism is not to dwell on &#8216;technicalities&#8217;. Rather, it is to promote truth over hyperbole.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Angel</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22574</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AHA!&lt;br /&gt;Call me thick-- but only NOW do I get the &quot;Three Amigo&#039;s&quot; and Rudd&#039;s &quot;Adios&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;NOW I finally understand why I live 90K from Sydney CBD and can&#039;t receive a mobile phone message.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;NOW I understand why I am such a good &quot;business customer&quot; to Telstra that they will give me a &quot;special deal&quot; on Broadband $79.95  a month for 1GB (That&#039;s &#039;one&#039; GB not TB)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do think racial stereotyping is bad--It would NEVER happen under a true Ozzie Howard style government now would it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I even hear on ABC 702 (TGIF) that we have also been very rude by not calling Sol by his proper first name!!&lt;br /&gt;His first name is is Robert.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is unforgivable as Ozzies are known for calling people by their first names.&lt;br /&gt; It is a sign of our friendliness, and lack of the Brit style of class distinction!.&lt;br /&gt;So in future please call him &quot; R. Sol Trujillo.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;so Adios R sol.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AHA!<br />Call me thick&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;but only NOW do I get the &#8220;Three Amigo&#8217;s&#8221; and Rudd&#8217;s &#8220;Adios&#8221;</p>
<p>NOW I finally understand why I live 90K from Sydney CBD and can&#8217;t receive a mobile phone message.</p>
<p>NOW I understand why I am such a good &#8220;business customer&#8221; to Telstra that they will give me a &#8220;special deal&#8221; on Broadband $79.95  a month for 1GB (That&#8217;s &#8216;one&#8217; GB not TB)</p>
<p>I do think racial stereotyping is bad&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;It would NEVER happen under a true Ozzie Howard style government now would it?</p>
<p>I even hear on ABC 702 (TGIF) that we have also been very rude by not calling Sol by his proper first name!!<br />His first name is is Robert.</p>
<p>This is unforgivable as Ozzies are known for calling people by their first names.<br /> It is a sign of our friendliness, and lack of the Brit style of class distinction!.<br />So in future please call him &#8221; R. Sol Trujillo.&#8221;</p>
<p>so Adios R sol.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22575</link>
		<dc:creator>Lois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing new about Aussies refusing to recognise racism; it&#039;s practically a national trait. And it&#039;s often noticed by others too. When i began travelling overseas in the late 70&#039;s a number of people from different countries told me, at different times, that Australians were the most racist people they&#039;d ever come across. There are a lot of racists in every country, of course, but Aussies have generally been much more open about it because we honestly don&#039;t see it as racism...for us it&#039;s very often &quot;just a joke.&quot; These days there are increasing numbers of people wanting to quibble about the definition of the word or whatever, but it&#039;s generally a very rare thing to get us to admit to what&#039;s obvious to so many others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing new about Aussies refusing to recognise racism; it&#8217;s practically a national trait. And it&#8217;s often noticed by others too. When i began travelling overseas in the late 70&#8217;s a number of people from different countries told me, at different times, that Australians were the most racist people they&#8217;d ever come across. There are a lot of racists in every country, of course, but Aussies have generally been much more open about it because we honestly don&#8217;t see it as racism&#8230;for us it&#8217;s very often &#8220;just a joke.&#8221; These days there are increasing numbers of people wanting to quibble about the definition of the word or whatever, but it&#8217;s generally a very rare thing to get us to admit to what&#8217;s obvious to so many others.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22576</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By humorously referring to Victorians as “Mexicans” (i.e. from “south of the border”), Sydneysiders have long tapped into the “Mexican” racial stereotype in order to imply, albeit gently, that Victorians are intellectually inferior, slow and lazy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have interviewed many Australian consumers who, based on the cartoon and movie stereotypes on which they have been raised, and bolstered by the information they get from trusted contemporary media sources, believe that: (i) Sol Trujillo is “a Mexican”; (ii) “Mexicans” are intrinsically (culturally, genetically, whatever) inferior to other “races” in intellect, competence and trustworthiness; and (iii) as a “Mexican”, Sol Trujillo was a poor choice as Telstra CEO and an incompetent manager.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These people often have no basis for assessing Trujillo’s performance objectively. They see and hear others making fun of him because he’s “a Mexican” and, linking this to other (perhaps more reasoned) criticism in the media, make racially-based attributions about the reasons for his incompetence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Average German citizens and soldiers probably didn’t consider Jews genetically inferior until encouraged to believe this by Nazi propagandists. Indeed, they had to reject evidence to the contrary, namely that Jews in Germany included academics, musicians, scientists and business leaders.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the Nazis didn’t need genotyping to convince other Germans that Jews were racially inferior. They simply heaped scorn on their appearance and cultural and religious practices. These were the tangible artefacts that “proved” their genetic inferiority: “They look funny and dress funny, they act strange, hence they are inferior.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am disturbed to have been accused by Mavros of recklessness for having raised the issue of racism. To deny racism on the basis of a purist argument about definitions and motivations is to be recklessly indifferent to the potential consequences of racial stereotypes and derision in the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued&#8230;</p>
<p>By humorously referring to Victorians as “Mexicans” (i.e. from “south of the border”), Sydneysiders have long tapped into the “Mexican” racial stereotype in order to imply, albeit gently, that Victorians are intellectually inferior, slow and lazy.</p>
<p>I have interviewed many Australian consumers who, based on the cartoon and movie stereotypes on which they have been raised, and bolstered by the information they get from trusted contemporary media sources, believe that: (i) Sol Trujillo is “a Mexican”; (ii) “Mexicans” are intrinsically (culturally, genetically, whatever) inferior to other “races” in intellect, competence and trustworthiness; and (iii) as a “Mexican”, Sol Trujillo was a poor choice as Telstra CEO and an incompetent manager.</p>
<p>These people often have no basis for assessing Trujillo’s performance objectively. They see and hear others making fun of him because he’s “a Mexican” and, linking this to other (perhaps more reasoned) criticism in the media, make racially-based attributions about the reasons for his incompetence.</p>
<p>Average German citizens and soldiers probably didn’t consider Jews genetically inferior until encouraged to believe this by Nazi propagandists. Indeed, they had to reject evidence to the contrary, namely that Jews in Germany included academics, musicians, scientists and business leaders.</p>
<p>But the Nazis didn’t need genotyping to convince other Germans that Jews were racially inferior. They simply heaped scorn on their appearance and cultural and religious practices. These were the tangible artefacts that “proved” their genetic inferiority: “They look funny and dress funny, they act strange, hence they are inferior.”</p>
<p>I am disturbed to have been accused by Mavros of recklessness for having raised the issue of racism. To deny racism on the basis of a purist argument about definitions and motivations is to be recklessly indifferent to the potential consequences of racial stereotypes and derision in the media.</p>
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		<title>By: dave k</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22577</link>
		<dc:creator>dave k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with the proposition that using a racial stereotype as the focal point to infer negative characteristics does promote racism albeit unintentionaly&lt;br /&gt;The fact that people seem to derive amusement from the physical appearance of othersat all is regretable and lacks class.see&#039; funniest home video&#039;&lt;br /&gt;where Harry is coming from is beyond me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with the proposition that using a racial stereotype as the focal point to infer negative characteristics does promote racism albeit unintentionaly<br />The fact that people seem to derive amusement from the physical appearance of othersat all is regretable and lacks class.see&#8217; funniest home video&#8217;<br />where Harry is coming from is beyond me</p>
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		<title>By: steve martin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22578</link>
		<dc:creator>steve martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am afraid that I am the guilty party who has upset Stephen Downes by accusing him of a lack of a sense of humor. However he didn&#039;t reply to my remark that the whole point of a cartoon is to caricature a perceived action or whatever of someone. I asked if it was racist to portray an Australian as a yob in a Jacky Howe singlet and stubbies or merely humorous.&lt;br /&gt;I was also going to refer him to the Oxford Dictionary (Concise in my home) definition of racism; but I see that Harry Mavros has done it a lot better than I could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am afraid that I am the guilty party who has upset Stephen Downes by accusing him of a lack of a sense of humor. However he didn&#8217;t reply to my remark that the whole point of a cartoon is to caricature a perceived action or whatever of someone. I asked if it was racist to portray an Australian as a yob in a Jacky Howe singlet and stubbies or merely humorous.<br />I was also going to refer him to the Oxford Dictionary (Concise in my home) definition of racism; but I see that Harry Mavros has done it a lot better than I could.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22579</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this an elaborate troll?&lt;br /&gt;Trying to take Godwins Law to it&#039;s extremes?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whoops, I just lost the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this an elaborate troll?<br />Trying to take Godwins Law to it&#8217;s extremes?</p>
<p>Whoops, I just lost the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Feller</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22580</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Feller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose Speedy Gonzales is racist too. Not all American mice are sombrero-wearing Tabasco-eating Mexicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose Speedy Gonzales is racist too. Not all American mice are sombrero-wearing Tabasco-eating Mexicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22581</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Stephen, I, like you, am only too happy to seperate myself from those who are enjoy being regarded as a operating level Z morons. To approve a racial stereotype is pretty thick, to approve a racial stereotype that is premised on an incorrect assumption about the target&#039;s ethicity is cretinous. Aussie, Aussie Oi ... er uh sorry what&#039;s the rest??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Stephen, I, like you, am only too happy to seperate myself from those who are enjoy being regarded as a operating level Z morons. To approve a racial stereotype is pretty thick, to approve a racial stereotype that is premised on an incorrect assumption about the target&#8217;s ethicity is cretinous. Aussie, Aussie Oi &#8230; er uh sorry what&#8217;s the rest??</p>
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		<title>By: coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22582</link>
		<dc:creator>coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen asks : Why is anyone&#039;s &quot;extraction&quot; in any way relevant to his performance as Telstra CEO?&#039;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Actually, Trujillo&#039;s being a US telco executive is highly relevant to his performance : his experience was seen as a positive for  the job and his imported aggressive style toward regulation [on which he had form too] has been widely seen as having been a negative, as it&#039;s played out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I agree that his being of Mexican &quot;extraction&quot; may be irrelevant to this; so may be his being male, but though sexism is alive and well but there was no complaint about the sex he was represented in the cartoon as having.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen asks : Why is anyone&#8217;s &#8220;extraction&#8221; in any way relevant to his performance as Telstra CEO?&#8217;</p>
<p>Actually, Trujillo&#8217;s being a US telco executive is highly relevant to his performance : his experience was seen as a positive for  the job and his imported aggressive style toward regulation [on which he had form too] has been widely seen as having been a negative, as it&#8217;s played out.</p>
<p>I agree that his being of Mexican &#8220;extraction&#8221; may be irrelevant to this; so may be his being male, but though sexism is alive and well but there was no complaint about the sex he was represented in the cartoon as having.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Angel</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22583</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OPPs Crikey !&lt;br /&gt;My head must have been &quot;South of the Border&quot;&lt;br /&gt;That was meant to be $79.95 a month for 1MG.&lt;br /&gt;I also forgot to mention the $1,500 I paid Telstra for installing a broadband compatible line (from 15M away) that will not take ADSL2 broadband..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OPPs Crikey !<br />My head must have been &#8220;South of the Border&#8221;<br />That was meant to be $79.95 a month for 1MG.<br />I also forgot to mention the $1,500 I paid Telstra for installing a broadband compatible line (from 15M away) that will not take ADSL2 broadband..</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22584</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I commend Harry Mavros for approaching the issue with some structure and intellectual rigour, and for playing the ball not the man.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I’m sure we both deplore and reject racism not because of its underlying motivations but because of its awful consequences. While I acknowledge the distinction Mavros draws between “vulgar parochialism” and racism, I am far less concerned about issues of definition (those to which I referred as “technicalities”) than I am about the effects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Racism and vulgar parochialism are fellow travelers – Mavros acknowledges that both produce the same kinds of derision of culture and appearance – and most Australians can’t tell an epiphenomenon from an epiglottis. The argument isn’t about whether cartoonists and sub-editors are motivated by racism (I don’t believe they are) but whether their actions could promote racism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We appear to be in furious agreement that Knight&#039;s Trujillo cartoon is discriminatory and vulgar. But, as I made clear in both of my recent pieces (and my 2006 Crikey article), last Friday’s cartoon was just the latest episode in a long and troubling history. Sections of the Australian media have treated Mr Trujillo in this discriminatory and vulgar manner from the time of his appointment right through to the announcement of his departure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This and other cartoons, “cute” headlines like “Si senor”, nicknames like the “Three Amigos”, and radio stations playing the Mexican Hat Dance whenever his name is mentioned may look benign when considered individually. But for a very significant proportion of the Australian population, each of these repeated pairings – of Trujillo with a false, vulgar and discriminatory (Mavros&#039;s words) national and cultural stereotype – leverages existing prejudices and has the potential to engender fixed and absolute beliefs about racial inferiority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Coninued...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commend Harry Mavros for approaching the issue with some structure and intellectual rigour, and for playing the ball not the man.</p>
<p>However, I’m sure we both deplore and reject racism not because of its underlying motivations but because of its awful consequences. While I acknowledge the distinction Mavros draws between “vulgar parochialism” and racism, I am far less concerned about issues of definition (those to which I referred as “technicalities”) than I am about the effects.</p>
<p>Racism and vulgar parochialism are fellow travelers – Mavros acknowledges that both produce the same kinds of derision of culture and appearance – and most Australians can’t tell an epiphenomenon from an epiglottis. The argument isn’t about whether cartoonists and sub-editors are motivated by racism (I don’t believe they are) but whether their actions could promote racism.</p>
<p>We appear to be in furious agreement that Knight&#8217;s Trujillo cartoon is discriminatory and vulgar. But, as I made clear in both of my recent pieces (and my 2006 Crikey article), last Friday’s cartoon was just the latest episode in a long and troubling history. Sections of the Australian media have treated Mr Trujillo in this discriminatory and vulgar manner from the time of his appointment right through to the announcement of his departure.</p>
<p>This and other cartoons, “cute” headlines like “Si senor”, nicknames like the “Three Amigos”, and radio stations playing the Mexican Hat Dance whenever his name is mentioned may look benign when considered individually. But for a very significant proportion of the Australian population, each of these repeated pairings – of Trujillo with a false, vulgar and discriminatory (Mavros&#8217;s words) national and cultural stereotype – leverages existing prejudices and has the potential to engender fixed and absolute beliefs about racial inferiority.</p>
<p>(Coninued&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Mavros</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22585</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Mavros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In judging the ethical status of things, the problem with setting aside &quot;issues of definition&quot; and instead, focussing on effects is that you end up conflating the analysis of the effects with the analysis of the thing itself. In other words, you mistakenly surmise that the thing which brings about the effect is essentially the same as the effect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr Downes conflates the idea that the cartoon may give succour and enjoyment to racists with the idea that the cartoon is, of itself, racist. An analogous conflation is made by those who judge erotica to be bad on the basis that it leads some people to commit sexual assault (which IS bad), or that football is bad insofar as it encourages tribalism in wild fans. It really does matter whether or not the cartoon is racist or just enjoyed by racists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other reason definitions need to be attended to is that, contra Dr Downes dismissive jibe regarding epiphenomena, most Australians have a pretty highly developed sense of moral indignation when it comes to being accused of things like racism. There are few more galling experience than being accused of something we know we have not done. And in this case, one must be careful to avoid overstating the charge lest we come across as caricatures of shrill ideologues seeing racism or patriarchy in every job appointment, gesture or cartoon. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those of us who think that racism is a terrible thing, we need to pick our battles. There are enough truly heinous expressions of racism in this world, that we do ourselves a disservice by fixating on its satellites like parochialism and xenophobia. Sure, they&#039;re bad, and they&#039;re ugly, and they diminish us when they occur in our backyard...but racism is far, far worse...and it&#039;s on the rise.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr Downes has his heart in the right place; I just think he&#039;s off the mark here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, and by the way, when he says that &quot;most Australians can’t tell an epiphenomenon from an epiglottis&quot;, is he really being racist? I don&#039;t think so.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In judging the ethical status of things, the problem with setting aside &#8220;issues of definition&#8221; and instead, focussing on effects is that you end up conflating the analysis of the effects with the analysis of the thing itself. In other words, you mistakenly surmise that the thing which brings about the effect is essentially the same as the effect.</p>
<p>Dr Downes conflates the idea that the cartoon may give succour and enjoyment to racists with the idea that the cartoon is, of itself, racist. An analogous conflation is made by those who judge erotica to be bad on the basis that it leads some people to commit sexual assault (which IS bad), or that football is bad insofar as it encourages tribalism in wild fans. It really does matter whether or not the cartoon is racist or just enjoyed by racists.</p>
<p>The other reason definitions need to be attended to is that, contra Dr Downes dismissive jibe regarding epiphenomena, most Australians have a pretty highly developed sense of moral indignation when it comes to being accused of things like racism. There are few more galling experience than being accused of something we know we have not done. And in this case, one must be careful to avoid overstating the charge lest we come across as caricatures of shrill ideologues seeing racism or patriarchy in every job appointment, gesture or cartoon. </p>
<p>For those of us who think that racism is a terrible thing, we need to pick our battles. There are enough truly heinous expressions of racism in this world, that we do ourselves a disservice by fixating on its satellites like parochialism and xenophobia. Sure, they&#8217;re bad, and they&#8217;re ugly, and they diminish us when they occur in our backyard&#8230;but racism is far, far worse&#8230;and it&#8217;s on the rise.  </p>
<p>Dr Downes has his heart in the right place; I just think he&#8217;s off the mark here.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, when he says that &#8220;most Australians can’t tell an epiphenomenon from an epiglottis&#8221;, is he really being racist? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/03/03/trujillo-and-mexicans-a-few-words-on-racial-stereotyping/#comment-22586</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite Harry&#039;s hairsplitting, the cartoon referred to in the original article were racist. The same goes for the cartoon in Saturday&#039;s SMH. They both sought to denigrate the subject based on nothing more that his name, as Stephen says. While it might not have implied genetic inferiority, it certainly was intended to convey an impression of cultural inferiority. I thought we got over this years ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Disappointing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite Harry&#8217;s hairsplitting, the cartoon referred to in the original article were racist. The same goes for the cartoon in Saturday&#8217;s SMH. They both sought to denigrate the subject based on nothing more that his name, as Stephen says. While it might not have implied genetic inferiority, it certainly was intended to convey an impression of cultural inferiority. I thought we got over this years ago.</p>
<p>Disappointing.</p>
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