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		<title>By: Fiona</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/18/sokaluks-trial-by-police-and-media/#comment-9808</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may be critical and think up all sorts of conspiracy theories but at the end of the day this man lit fires that killed 21 people. That&#039;s murder and the media, police and community have every right to be angry and demand answers from him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be critical and think up all sorts of conspiracy theories but at the end of the day this man lit fires that killed 21 people. That&#8217;s murder and the media, police and community have every right to be angry and demand answers from him.</p>
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		<title>By: The Colonel</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/18/sokaluks-trial-by-police-and-media/#comment-9809</link>
		<dc:creator>The Colonel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who can forget the greatest vandal in damaging accused person&#039;s rights-former NSW premier Bob Carr who was always happy to spout damaging rubbish out a charged person to the media whilst standing beside the Police Commissioner. A giant bust several years ago of dozens of men accused of having child porn had Carr fronting the media spouting &quot;we won&#039;t let the perverts escape&quot; and after 6 had commited suicide stated &quot;well at least they aren&#039;t abusing anymore!&quot;. That was 6 un-tried innocent dead men with families and children.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This unholy alliance between scumbag pollies and the media was always bound to backfire. The NSW Attorney General thinks nothing of stating in the media that crime is down because of his strict anti-bail conditions. In other words ,even though these accused people in jail stlll haven&#039;t faced a court they are guilty according to him without a trial. These tactics build over time and work-the mere allegation is now taken as proved. At the same time these polticians are on a permanent quest to undermine NSW&#039;s superb and honest DPP because he won&#039;t play their game.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And why did a man accused of child sex offences have to appear in court today handcuffed ? Not even the most dangerous accused appear in court this way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meanwhile-while these gung-ho police who think they are protecting children-while these disgusting politicians who are utterely ignorant of the Westminster system play their vile and cheap policitcs-according to DOCs 200,000 kids in NSW alone are abused through neglect, mental and physical, and sexually by someone in their home. And they are forgotten. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who can forget the greatest vandal in damaging accused person&#8217;s rights-former NSW premier Bob Carr who was always happy to spout damaging rubbish out a charged person to the media whilst standing beside the Police Commissioner. A giant bust several years ago of dozens of men accused of having child porn had Carr fronting the media spouting &#8220;we won&#8217;t let the perverts escape&#8221; and after 6 had commited suicide stated &#8220;well at least they aren&#8217;t abusing anymore!&#8221;. That was 6 un-tried innocent dead men with families and children.</p>
<p>This unholy alliance between scumbag pollies and the media was always bound to backfire. The NSW Attorney General thinks nothing of stating in the media that crime is down because of his strict anti-bail conditions. In other words ,even though these accused people in jail stlll haven&#8217;t faced a court they are guilty according to him without a trial. These tactics build over time and work-the mere allegation is now taken as proved. At the same time these polticians are on a permanent quest to undermine NSW&#8217;s superb and honest DPP because he won&#8217;t play their game.</p>
<p>And why did a man accused of child sex offences have to appear in court today handcuffed ? Not even the most dangerous accused appear in court this way.</p>
<p>Meanwhile-while these gung-ho police who think they are protecting children-while these disgusting politicians who are utterely ignorant of the Westminster system play their vile and cheap policitcs-according to DOCs 200,000 kids in NSW alone are abused through neglect, mental and physical, and sexually by someone in their home. And they are forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael S</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/18/sokaluks-trial-by-police-and-media/#comment-9810</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of the media... I picked up the Herald Sun today (Wednesday), and there was not one single mention of Sokaluk. Not on the front page, not in the bushfire stories, not in the editorial nor the letters section.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ve no idea what&#039;s happened, because it was only yesterday that the Herald Sun was plastering his pixellated visage over the front page and talking about how much of an &quot;oddball&quot; he was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of the media&#8230; I picked up the Herald Sun today (Wednesday), and there was not one single mention of Sokaluk. Not on the front page, not in the bushfire stories, not in the editorial nor the letters section.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no idea what&#8217;s happened, because it was only yesterday that the Herald Sun was plastering his pixellated visage over the front page and talking about how much of an &#8220;oddball&#8221; he was.</p>
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		<title>By: Goody Two Shoes from Salem</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/18/sokaluks-trial-by-police-and-media/#comment-9811</link>
		<dc:creator>Goody Two Shoes from Salem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pyromaniac is also a witch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pyromaniac is also a witch.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Francis</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/18/sokaluks-trial-by-police-and-media/#comment-9812</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg Barns is correct in his assessment. It cannot be denied that Sokaluk&#039;s pesumption of innocence has been trashed by the media and some members of the public via the interne,t as was the experience of Haneef.&lt;br /&gt;Legal history is studded with examples of high profile prosecutions which have resulted in acquital.Many of these cases however, have brought in their wake financial disaster,family breakdown,career destruction and suicide&lt;br /&gt;. These considerations are of little consequence to some of the vigilantes in the media</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Barns is correct in his assessment. It cannot be denied that Sokaluk&#8217;s pesumption of innocence has been trashed by the media and some members of the public via the interne,t as was the experience of Haneef.<br />Legal history is studded with examples of high profile prosecutions which have resulted in acquital.Many of these cases however, have brought in their wake financial disaster,family breakdown,career destruction and suicide<br />. These considerations are of little consequence to some of the vigilantes in the media</p>
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		<title>By: michael Francis</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/18/sokaluks-trial-by-police-and-media/#comment-9813</link>
		<dc:creator>michael Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yea, what about Lindy Chamberlain  of who it was said must have  done IT as a dingo could not carry off a baby! Well done crickey - justice for ALL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yea, what about Lindy Chamberlain  of who it was said must have  done IT as a dingo could not carry off a baby! Well done crickey - justice for ALL.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Liberts</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/18/sokaluks-trial-by-police-and-media/#comment-9814</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Liberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further to your article on the same issue the other day Greg, I can only dispair that if a permanent stay of proceedings comes out of all of this the blame will be hurled at the courts and not where it rightly belongs with certain media and certain leaky cops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to your article on the same issue the other day Greg, I can only dispair that if a permanent stay of proceedings comes out of all of this the blame will be hurled at the courts and not where it rightly belongs with certain media and certain leaky cops.</p>
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		<title>By: The Colonel</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/18/sokaluks-trial-by-police-and-media/#comment-9815</link>
		<dc:creator>The Colonel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which planet did you just arrive from Nadia David?. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; believe Barnes is a barrister and perhaps has sat in a court-as I have. The police beat up claims and often add charges that are later dropped.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just as they have over the emerging Knox School scandal where they have been &quot;appealling&quot; for more victims to come forward-just as Channel Ten disgracefuly said in their 5pm news broadcast a moment ago that &quot;the police expect more victims&quot;..note : not &quot;alleged victims.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This proces is called &quot;trawling&quot; and has been thoroughly discredited in the UK after dozens of innocent  social workers were jailed for offences but later exonerated (but their lives ruined). The UK police are now banned from the process. It&#039;s what led to the ludicrous tale of the dozens of buried childrens bodies on the at Haute le Guerre on Jersey-just a year ago but now forgotten. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was garbage from the word go but the world&#039;s media revelled in it and faithfully repeated every bogus piece of information given to them by the police (but never apologised to the public for the lies)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the blame should lie with the usual scoundrels-politicians who are devoid of policy and put pressure on police to prduce results-whatever way they can. Thes epoliciticians take an oath to uphold the Australian Constitution which involves the seperation of powers and ignore it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ps: the fact police mention the ample compensation available to potential &quot;victims&quot; is entirely co-incidental.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which planet did you just arrive from Nadia David?. </p>
<p> believe Barnes is a barrister and perhaps has sat in a court-as I have. The police beat up claims and often add charges that are later dropped.</p>
<p>Just as they have over the emerging Knox School scandal where they have been &#8220;appealling&#8221; for more victims to come forward-just as Channel Ten disgracefuly said in their 5pm news broadcast a moment ago that &#8220;the police expect more victims&#8221;..note : not &#8220;alleged victims.&#8221;</p>
<p>This proces is called &#8220;trawling&#8221; and has been thoroughly discredited in the UK after dozens of innocent  social workers were jailed for offences but later exonerated (but their lives ruined). The UK police are now banned from the process. It&#8217;s what led to the ludicrous tale of the dozens of buried childrens bodies on the at Haute le Guerre on Jersey-just a year ago but now forgotten. </p>
<p>It was garbage from the word go but the world&#8217;s media revelled in it and faithfully repeated every bogus piece of information given to them by the police (but never apologised to the public for the lies)</p>
<p>But the blame should lie with the usual scoundrels-politicians who are devoid of policy and put pressure on police to prduce results-whatever way they can. Thes epoliciticians take an oath to uphold the Australian Constitution which involves the seperation of powers and ignore it.</p>
<p>ps: the fact police mention the ample compensation available to potential &#8220;victims&#8221; is entirely co-incidental.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadia David</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/18/sokaluks-trial-by-police-and-media/#comment-9816</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadia David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg perhaps you don&#039;t understand what happens when an accused person appears in court. The journos sit IN the court during the proceedings. The only time this doesn&#039;t happen is when the accused is a child or young person. The police didn&#039;t feel &quot;the need to link arson with child pornography&quot;, that is simply what he was charged with, and the media took to it like rabid dogs. A suppression order doesn&#039;t magically stop anyone from watching court proceedings relating to a high-profile accused (after all an open and transparent justice system is one of the only ways to ensure fairness), and it doesn&#039;t sew shut the lips of all who know the identity of a person who is the subject of a suppression order.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The cops do regularly provide media with information, but blaming them for the breaching of the suppression order relating to Brendan Sokaluk is misguided, simplistic and unfounded. The media are subject to the order to simply not publish Sokaluk&#039;s name, but they couldn&#039;t help themselves. The money made from the sale of papers outweighs the cost of a contempt charge and probable fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg perhaps you don&#8217;t understand what happens when an accused person appears in court. The journos sit IN the court during the proceedings. The only time this doesn&#8217;t happen is when the accused is a child or young person. The police didn&#8217;t feel &#8220;the need to link arson with child pornography&#8221;, that is simply what he was charged with, and the media took to it like rabid dogs. A suppression order doesn&#8217;t magically stop anyone from watching court proceedings relating to a high-profile accused (after all an open and transparent justice system is one of the only ways to ensure fairness), and it doesn&#8217;t sew shut the lips of all who know the identity of a person who is the subject of a suppression order.</p>
<p>The cops do regularly provide media with information, but blaming them for the breaching of the suppression order relating to Brendan Sokaluk is misguided, simplistic and unfounded. The media are subject to the order to simply not publish Sokaluk&#8217;s name, but they couldn&#8217;t help themselves. The money made from the sale of papers outweighs the cost of a contempt charge and probable fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Freud</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/18/sokaluks-trial-by-police-and-media/#comment-9817</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Freud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A study by a leading psychiatrist at a US university medical centre found an inverse relationship between people addicted to child pornography and pyromaniacs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A study by a leading psychiatrist at a US university medical centre found an inverse relationship between people addicted to child pornography and pyromaniacs.</p>
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