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	<title>Comments on: ETS: backdown and avoid senate scrutiny</title>
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		<title>By: JamesK</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/13/ets-backdown-and-avoid-senate-scrutiny/#comment-22098</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe but the news seems to get inexorably worse internationally particularly Europe and UK. In the US the DOW is 20% down on election day values. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obama is clearly uninterested, Europe is LaLa Land, China and India are quite understandably not going to commit and the ETS is going to become a millstone. The only saving grace from Labor&#039;s perspective is that Turnbull backed it. Although Labor-dominated, there are some significant Liberal figures on the Swan initiated committee of review. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I agree. They are looking for an excuse to exit.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe but the news seems to get inexorably worse internationally particularly Europe and UK. In the US the DOW is 20% down on election day values. </p>
<p>Obama is clearly uninterested, Europe is LaLa Land, China and India are quite understandably not going to commit and the ETS is going to become a millstone. The only saving grace from Labor&#8217;s perspective is that Turnbull backed it. Although Labor-dominated, there are some significant Liberal figures on the Swan initiated committee of review. </p>
<p>I agree. They are looking for an excuse to exit.</p>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/13/ets-backdown-and-avoid-senate-scrutiny/#comment-22099</link>
		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &quot;The answer to the question about whether an ETS is the lowest-cost way of reducing carbon emissions is 1. Yes and 2. But not the way the Government is doing it.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I thought a Carbon Tax was the cheapest, simplest and most transparent way of reducing carbon emissions -- and the only reason we&#039;re going the trading route was because it takes a long time set up (so delaying action) and is nice and complicated so that the polluters cannot only avoid their obligations but might actually make a profit out of destroying our future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;The answer to the question about whether an ETS is the lowest-cost way of reducing carbon emissions is 1. Yes and 2. But not the way the Government is doing it.&#8221; </p>
<p>I thought a Carbon Tax was the cheapest, simplest and most transparent way of reducing carbon emissions&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;and the only reason we&#8217;re going the trading route was because it takes a long time set up (so delaying action) and is nice and complicated so that the polluters cannot only avoid their obligations but might actually make a profit out of destroying our future.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesK</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/13/ets-backdown-and-avoid-senate-scrutiny/#comment-22100</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Labor does see sense.This GFC is expected to last for 4-7 years by Paul Keating at least. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To put the ETS scheme and what it might achieve in perspective just two articles from todays Australian, one of which cited in the above piece.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.VICTORIA&#039;S bushfires have released a massive amount of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere - almost equal to Australia&#039;s industrial emission for an entire year.&lt;br /&gt;http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25047322-11949,00.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.SOMEBODY has now put a price on the symbolic act of Kevin Rudd and Penny Wong flying to Bali within days of Labor&#039;s election in 2007 and ratifying the Kyoto Protocol. It&#039;s a potential extra $870 million from Australian taxpayers.....In the first four years of the emissions trading scheme, Australian industry is expected to buy $49.9 billion in carbon permits to encourage cleaner industry.&lt;br /&gt;http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25046600-7583,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Labor does see sense.This GFC is expected to last for 4-7 years by Paul Keating at least. </p>
<p>To put the ETS scheme and what it might achieve in perspective just two articles from todays Australian, one of which cited in the above piece.</p>
<p>1.VICTORIA&#8217;S bushfires have released a massive amount of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere - almost equal to Australia&#8217;s industrial emission for an entire year.<br /><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25047322-11949,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25047322-11949,00.html</a></p>
<p>2.SOMEBODY has now put a price on the symbolic act of Kevin Rudd and Penny Wong flying to Bali within days of Labor&#8217;s election in 2007 and ratifying the Kyoto Protocol. It&#8217;s a potential extra $870 million from Australian taxpayers&#8230;..In the first four years of the emissions trading scheme, Australian industry is expected to buy $49.9 billion in carbon permits to encourage cleaner industry.<br /><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25046600-7583,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25046600-7583,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Keane</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/13/ets-backdown-and-avoid-senate-scrutiny/#comment-22101</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard Keane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James - for all my affection for Captain Wacky, I wouldn&#039;t rely on him to tell the time let alone the length of the recession.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ideally the Government has got worried and its laughable ETS won&#039;t proceed. At least we&#039;ll be spared a giant paper chase that wastes money and does nothing to reduce emissions. We can then move on to lesser but more politically workable options for reducing our carbon protectionism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James - for all my affection for Captain Wacky, I wouldn&#8217;t rely on him to tell the time let alone the length of the recession.</p>
<p>Ideally the Government has got worried and its laughable ETS won&#8217;t proceed. At least we&#8217;ll be spared a giant paper chase that wastes money and does nothing to reduce emissions. We can then move on to lesser but more politically workable options for reducing our carbon protectionism.</p>
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