Comments on: Fielding’s $4b stimulus hurdle http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:59:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Colin Campbell http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15195 Colin Campbell Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15195 Thanks Kev and the boys for electing this complete moron. Nothing like biting the hand that fed you. You and all the clever clogs from Labor who elected him have only yourselves to blame. Thanks Kev and the boys for electing this complete moron. Nothing like biting the hand that fed you. You and all the clever clogs from Labor who elected him have only yourselves to blame.

]]> By: Inga Wise http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15196 Inga Wise Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15196 To Venise Alstergren: At least Steve Fielding is asking for money to be spent on job creation, as any economist will tell you, under these conditions and for what is required, this is exactly where the money should go, but you obviously prefer vote buying....that figures.<br /><br />Judging by your poisonous vitriol, you only abey your master the Father of Lies....the Devil. To Venise Alstergren: At least Steve Fielding is asking for money to be spent on job creation, as any economist will tell you, under these conditions and for what is required, this is exactly where the money should go, but you obviously prefer vote buying….that figures.

Judging by your poisonous vitriol, you only abey your master the Father of Lies….the Devil.

]]> By: David http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15197 David Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15197 Again Sen Fielding shows the country what an incompetent ignoramus he is. Mind you the Labor Party have themselves to blame for his presence in the Senate, they directed first preferences to him and that got him home. Not that Fielding shows any gratitude, he answers only to his masters in the religious fairy land he and they exist in. It is an indication of his complete ignorance that he holds a Government elected with an over whelming mandate to ransom. Its pathetic. Again Sen Fielding shows the country what an incompetent ignoramus he is. Mind you the Labor Party have themselves to blame for his presence in the Senate, they directed first preferences to him and that got him home. Not that Fielding shows any gratitude, he answers only to his masters in the religious fairy land he and they exist in. It is an indication of his complete ignorance that he holds a Government elected with an over whelming mandate to ransom. Its pathetic.

]]> By: Venise Alstergren http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15198 Venise Alstergren Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15198 Inga Stupid: I have never been near a think tank in my life.<br />I stand by my original comment. Inga Stupid: I have never been near a think tank in my life.
I stand by my original comment.

]]> By: Venise Alstergren http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15199 Venise Alstergren Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15199 Inga: I object to your playing the racist card. I shall seek legal opinion on this sort of offensive behaviour. Inga: I object to your playing the racist card. I shall seek legal opinion on this sort of offensive behaviour.

]]> By: Bernard Keane http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15200 Bernard Keane Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15200 I know of no "king of liars". Sting sang about being the "king of pain", which was certainly honest of him given how unendurable his solo career was. Ashley Giles was called the "king of Spain" after a typo. Farro has been called the "king of grains". But "king of liars" draws a blank from me. "Father of liars", however, is one of Herodotus's claims to fame. I know of no “king of liars”. Sting sang about being the “king of pain”, which was certainly honest of him given how unendurable his solo career was. Ashley Giles was called the “king of Spain” after a typo. Farro has been called the “king of grains”. But “king of liars” draws a blank from me. “Father of liars”, however, is one of Herodotus’s claims to fame.

]]> By: David Sanderson http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15201 David Sanderson Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15201 The Liberals will now have to wait for the Word of God as revealed through the wobbly brain of Steve Fielding. Some trepidation may well be in order. If anyone epitomises Keating's "unrepresentative swill" it is Mr Fielding. Elected with extraordinarily few first preference votes (especially compared to Xenophon for example) he now seeks to be the arbiter of government business.<br /><br />Instead of preaching humility to the government he would be well advised to acquire some himself. He has a lot to be humble about. The Liberals will now have to wait for the Word of God as revealed through the wobbly brain of Steve Fielding. Some trepidation may well be in order. If anyone epitomises Keating’s “unrepresentative swill” it is Mr Fielding. Elected with extraordinarily few first preference votes (especially compared to Xenophon for example) he now seeks to be the arbiter of government business.

Instead of preaching humility to the government he would be well advised to acquire some himself. He has a lot to be humble about.

]]> By: Venise Alstergren http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15202 Venise Alstergren Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15202 Inga Stupid: Me apologize to you? Give over. I apologize to many people. I cannot see you being one of them.<br /><br />The mere fact that you admit to your name of Inga Stupid, is enough to make my day!<br /><br />Adios, Goodnight, Bon Nuit, and so on.<br /><br />'Night Inga Stupid: Me apologize to you? Give over. I apologize to many people. I cannot see you being one of them.

The mere fact that you admit to your name of Inga Stupid, is enough to make my day!

Adios, Goodnight, Bon Nuit, and so on.

‘Night

]]> By: Inga Wise http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15203 Inga Wise Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15203 To Venise: I am actually irreligious and apolitical, and the reason for that is I can avoid loop-heads like you. You know, those left-wing loony think tank social engineer types like you, who have never achieved anything in their lives and make sure nobody else does either. Stick around, you might learn something about yourself. To Venise: I am actually irreligious and apolitical, and the reason for that is I can avoid loop-heads like you. You know, those left-wing loony think tank social engineer types like you, who have never achieved anything in their lives and make sure nobody else does either. Stick around, you might learn something about yourself.

]]> By: David Sanderson http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15204 David Sanderson Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15204 Venise, I thought you were in bed. <br /><br />It's been a real boilover tonight, hasn't it? Maybe you should lie down. Venise, I thought you were in bed.

It’s been a real boilover tonight, hasn’t it? Maybe you should lie down.

]]> By: Venise Alstergren http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15205 Venise Alstergren Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15205 Roger said it best in using the word cretin. Says it all. Roger said it best in using the word cretin. Says it all.

]]> By: Mark Duffett http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15206 Mark Duffett Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15206 Venise, you said something demonstrably wrong, to wit, 'all Christians are stupid'. I pointed this out. The end. I really don't see where 'idle semantics' comes into it. Venise, you said something demonstrably wrong, to wit, ‘all Christians are stupid’. I pointed this out. The end. I really don’t see where ‘idle semantics’ comes into it.

]]> By: Justin http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15207 Justin Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15207 I'm certain that one of the government senators today also used the bushfire disaster to argue their case for the passage of the stimulus package.<br /><br />Whatever you think of Fielding's policies, his outburst was understandable, given the way the government senators made a mockery of the Senate with their filibustering. There is no question that they were deliberately stalling meaningful debate by waffling as much as they could on subjects that were either irrelevant or weren't critical enough to justify the attention they received. It was a $42 billion package and they were reflecting on their days in opposition, talking about how hard Wayne Swan works in comparison to public servants, being repetitive, joking about asking trivial questions such as the colour of the pen used to sign off on a document, and so on. I’m certain that one of the government senators today also used the bushfire disaster to argue their case for the passage of the stimulus package.

Whatever you think of Fielding’s policies, his outburst was understandable, given the way the government senators made a mockery of the Senate with their filibustering. There is no question that they were deliberately stalling meaningful debate by waffling as much as they could on subjects that were either irrelevant or weren’t critical enough to justify the attention they received. It was a $42 billion package and they were reflecting on their days in opposition, talking about how hard Wayne Swan works in comparison to public servants, being repetitive, joking about asking trivial questions such as the colour of the pen used to sign off on a document, and so on.

]]> By: Venise Alstergren http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15208 Venise Alstergren Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15208 BKeane, JamesK: I thought Marco Polo was the king of liars? Went to China was a minister in the court of Kublai Khan for yonks. Right up there in Beijing. Failed to notice the Great Wall of China. Ditto foot-binding of women. Is this not so? Herodotus was todays version of a foreign correspondent, surely. :) :) BKeane, JamesK: I thought Marco Polo was the king of liars? Went to China was a minister in the court of Kublai Khan for yonks. Right up there in Beijing. Failed to notice the Great Wall of China. Ditto foot-binding of women. Is this not so? Herodotus was todays version of a foreign correspondent, surely. :) :)

]]> By: Venise Alstergren http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15209 Venise Alstergren Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15209 Mark. I dare say I could come up with an impressive list of people who didn't/don't believe in religion. So why indulge in idle semantics?<br /><br />I'm glad I've been offensive. It's about time the people like Sen Fielding had something served up to him. Can he read though? Mark. I dare say I could come up with an impressive list of people who didn’t/don’t believe in religion. So why indulge in idle semantics?

I’m glad I’ve been offensive. It’s about time the people like Sen Fielding had something served up to him. Can he read though?

]]> By: Lucy http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15210 Lucy Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15210 Here's the thing. Steve Fielding was elected with some b.s. level of the primary vote because of preference deals. Through a flukish result in the Senate, he finds himself able to gain the balance of power on any number of issues, a status which he then proceeds to exploit. Fair enough. What is really infuriating, though, is that, having proven an obtuse and inconsistent Senator, he has gained a high public profile, largely through obstructionism... and will in all likelihood be re-elected, if he so chooses, with an increased share of the vote. Because it wouldn't take much, and there are always a few people who think sticking it to the Government is an end in itself. <br /><br />So Fielding actually has no incentive to make a positive contribution to public policy. His interests are best served by being a jackass and wasting the Senate's time complaining about how Rudd won't suck up to him enough. It's annyoing, no? Here’s the thing. Steve Fielding was elected with some b.s. level of the primary vote because of preference deals. Through a flukish result in the Senate, he finds himself able to gain the balance of power on any number of issues, a status which he then proceeds to exploit. Fair enough. What is really infuriating, though, is that, having proven an obtuse and inconsistent Senator, he has gained a high public profile, largely through obstructionism… and will in all likelihood be re-elected, if he so chooses, with an increased share of the vote. Because it wouldn’t take much, and there are always a few people who think sticking it to the Government is an end in itself.

So Fielding actually has no incentive to make a positive contribution to public policy. His interests are best served by being a jackass and wasting the Senate’s time complaining about how Rudd won’t suck up to him enough. It’s annyoing, no?

]]> By: Mark Duffett http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15211 Mark Duffett Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15211 Venise, must you say such gratuitously offensive, not to mention egregiously incorrect things? Or do you really want me to post extremely long lists of all the Nobel laureates and other manifestly not-stupid people who subscribe to orthodox Christianity? Venise, must you say such gratuitously offensive, not to mention egregiously incorrect things? Or do you really want me to post extremely long lists of all the Nobel laureates and other manifestly not-stupid people who subscribe to orthodox Christianity?

]]> By: dermot http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15212 dermot Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15212 inga venise get a room! inga venise get a room!

]]> By: sam from sunshine http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15213 sam from sunshine Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15213 So let's just say it all comes down to the one vote = Senator Fielding.<br /><br />If he votes NAY then this piece of legislation does not pass.<br /><br />What are the odds that it will be presented tot eh Lower House again, be passed there and then presented to the Senate a second time.<br /><br />Will Senator Fielding, being a man of conscience, vote NAY the second time and thus provide a perfect trigger for a Double Dissolution. This would probably result in the new Senate (post election) not having Fielding as a member. <br /><br />Time will tell exactly how his conscience operates under this "pressure". So let’s just say it all comes down to the one vote = Senator Fielding.

If he votes NAY then this piece of legislation does not pass.

What are the odds that it will be presented tot eh Lower House again, be passed there and then presented to the Senate a second time.

Will Senator Fielding, being a man of conscience, vote NAY the second time and thus provide a perfect trigger for a Double Dissolution. This would probably result in the new Senate (post election) not having Fielding as a member.

Time will tell exactly how his conscience operates under this “pressure”.

]]> By: JamesK http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15214 JamesK Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15214 Here's hoping to the sake of the country that either Fielding or Xenophon or preferably both vote this insanity down in toto. <br /><br />Such a result would probably be politically injurious for Turnbull but indubitably good for the nation. Here’s hoping to the sake of the country that either Fielding or Xenophon or preferably both vote this insanity down in toto.

Such a result would probably be politically injurious for Turnbull but indubitably good for the nation.

]]> By: Venise Alstergren http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15215 Venise Alstergren Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15215 Inga Stupid: We can't go on taking up space in Crikey. Or one of us will get turfed off. I am never going to apologize. BTW it was you who sailed in to attack me. Now your screaming rape because I had a decent crack at you. As I don't believe in cossetting cretins I, from now on, will just ignore you. Oh I'll read you because I enjoy people making idiots of themselves in print.<br /><br />I repeat, I do not wish to be the one who is arsed off these pages. Therefore this is my last comment. Inga Stupid: We can’t go on taking up space in Crikey. Or one of us will get turfed off. I am never going to apologize. BTW it was you who sailed in to attack me. Now your screaming rape because I had a decent crack at you. As I don’t believe in cossetting cretins I, from now on, will just ignore you. Oh I’ll read you because I enjoy people making idiots of themselves in print.

I repeat, I do not wish to be the one who is arsed off these pages. Therefore this is my last comment.

]]> By: graemel http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15216 graemel Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15216 As you all line up at your post boxes to collect your $950 plus, please note that this cash handout is the link that the PM put in the package to "buy" public support. Without the cash handouts, more of the media people - and the complainers here - would be examining the components much more objectively. And THAT is what Fielding and others have been doing.<br />The PM showed his true colours as well as his devious streak when he also tried to tie in bushfire relief into the package debate, but at least his minders got him out of that one fairly successfully.<br />The hypocrisy showing out here is quite unbelievable! As you all line up at your post boxes to collect your $950 plus, please note that this cash handout is the link that the PM put in the package to “buy” public support. Without the cash handouts, more of the media people - and the complainers here - would be examining the components much more objectively. And THAT is what Fielding and others have been doing.
The PM showed his true colours as well as his devious streak when he also tried to tie in bushfire relief into the package debate, but at least his minders got him out of that one fairly successfully.
The hypocrisy showing out here is quite unbelievable!

]]> By: Venise Alstergren http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15217 Venise Alstergren Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15217 Inga stupid! If you can only come up with a pathetic comment like that, then you are obviously one of the deluded righters. Christianity does not as a rule go hand in hand with logic. Logic and Steve Fielding are mutually exclusive words.<br />Poor little Inga, said something awful about the Fielding lunatic? You are in the real world when you comment in Crikey.<br />Go outside and play little girl. Alternatively you could try to grow up. Inga stupid! If you can only come up with a pathetic comment like that, then you are obviously one of the deluded righters. Christianity does not as a rule go hand in hand with logic. Logic and Steve Fielding are mutually exclusive words.
Poor little Inga, said something awful about the Fielding lunatic? You are in the real world when you comment in Crikey.
Go outside and play little girl. Alternatively you could try to grow up.

]]> By: Bernard Keane http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15218 Bernard Keane Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15218 I thought Herodotus was the father of lies. I thought Herodotus was the father of lies.

]]> By: Inga Wise http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/11/fieldings-4b-stimulus-hurdle/#comment-15219 Inga Wise Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-15219 Venise, you really are the classic clanging cymbol...all noise and no go. What was that about "empty vessels".....? Venise, you really are the classic clanging cymbol…all noise and no go. What was that about “empty vessels”…..?

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