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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/04/getup-and-its-strange-but-well-heeled-bedfellows/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Actually Get Up are sufficiently well resourced to replace crikey as the leading Australian ezine minor media in the inevitable baton change from democratic role of newsprint to online.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What could you possibly be talking about Tom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Actually Get Up are sufficiently well resourced to replace crikey as the leading Australian ezine minor media in the inevitable baton change from democratic role of newsprint to online.&#8221;</p>
<p>What could you possibly be talking about Tom?</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/04/getup-and-its-strange-but-well-heeled-bedfellows/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gggrraaggh: I gave those bastards $50.00 because they seemed a bit impoverished. Every day, another lesson, Venise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gggrraaggh: I gave those bastards $50.00 because they seemed a bit impoverished. Every day, another lesson, Venise.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/04/getup-and-its-strange-but-well-heeled-bedfellows/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I mean Ron, is that on Marg Simons Content Makers blog a few days ago I mentioned that Get Up public fundraising model could be a model for future serious journalism. This is in the context of the ongoing debate over how to keep Big Media alive in the advent of online freelancing etc and ezines trespassing on their financial viability.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So now we have a serious sledge of Get Up. Who as I say are a potential online rival to Crikey, especially post Rudd election while the search around for an evolving raison d&#039;etre.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My own view is let a thousand flowers bloom. Build the indy alternative media sector, crikey, Get Up etc etc. By all means let crikey run the ruler over Get Up - I have written them up before myself over the Evan Thornley connection - but know crikey have an interest of their own. Cie la vie. It&#039;s a family argument perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I mean Ron, is that on Marg Simons Content Makers blog a few days ago I mentioned that Get Up public fundraising model could be a model for future serious journalism. This is in the context of the ongoing debate over how to keep Big Media alive in the advent of online freelancing etc and ezines trespassing on their financial viability.</p>
<p>So now we have a serious sledge of Get Up. Who as I say are a potential online rival to Crikey, especially post Rudd election while the search around for an evolving raison d&#8217;etre.</p>
<p>My own view is let a thousand flowers bloom. Build the indy alternative media sector, crikey, Get Up etc etc. By all means let crikey run the ruler over Get Up - I have written them up before myself over the Evan Thornley connection - but know crikey have an interest of their own. Cie la vie. It&#8217;s a family argument perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/04/getup-and-its-strange-but-well-heeled-bedfellows/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Get Up are sufficiently well resourced to replace crikey as the leading Australian ezine minor media in the inevitable baton change from democratic role of newsprint to online. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&#039;s an editorial declaration that crikey might reflect on too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Secondly Get Up took up the cudgels against the bogus carbon capture sequestration agenda of both Big Coal and the Rudd Govt mid to late 2008 when no one else in the big media were getting real traction. And weren&#039;t they vindicated with the piss poor 5% target. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I personally as a  member of the left leaning Australian Services Union don&#039;t have any problem with progressive unions being supporters if that&#039;s what they really are. It&#039;s naive to think that all unions have the machine ALP brand on their forehead. Life is alot more complex  than that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for their admin versus expendenture costs on political advertising. Well that&#039;s a bit disingenuous analysis. I await to hear from them as to their breakdown. It&#039;s not declarable political expenditure versus admin costs which might have all kinds of outreach and educational work in it, which is in fact political work just like political parties proper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also the fact is they are excellent in production values up there with advertsing agencies and PR firms. The write and research extremely well and like Greenpeace are expensive but have real clout. Again it is naive to think that there is not a role for activism at all levels of society and if their is not an activist corporate level of engagement the activists on the street lose out too.  No doubt there is a healthy internal tension but then crikey has some ex employee critics. I know I do in activist circles and so on. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What indeed is the news in that in a political and grasping world. By all means bring on the transparency but spare me the smear, until you publish your own breakdown of finances including wage levels.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh and I do my work on about $10K per year. Haven&#039;t filed a tax return in years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Get Up are sufficiently well resourced to replace crikey as the leading Australian ezine minor media in the inevitable baton change from democratic role of newsprint to online. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s an editorial declaration that crikey might reflect on too.</p>
<p>Secondly Get Up took up the cudgels against the bogus carbon capture sequestration agenda of both Big Coal and the Rudd Govt mid to late 2008 when no one else in the big media were getting real traction. And weren&#8217;t they vindicated with the piss poor 5% target. </p>
<p>I personally as a  member of the left leaning Australian Services Union don&#8217;t have any problem with progressive unions being supporters if that&#8217;s what they really are. It&#8217;s naive to think that all unions have the machine ALP brand on their forehead. Life is alot more complex  than that.</p>
<p>As for their admin versus expendenture costs on political advertising. Well that&#8217;s a bit disingenuous analysis. I await to hear from them as to their breakdown. It&#8217;s not declarable political expenditure versus admin costs which might have all kinds of outreach and educational work in it, which is in fact political work just like political parties proper.</p>
<p>Also the fact is they are excellent in production values up there with advertsing agencies and PR firms. The write and research extremely well and like Greenpeace are expensive but have real clout. Again it is naive to think that there is not a role for activism at all levels of society and if their is not an activist corporate level of engagement the activists on the street lose out too.  No doubt there is a healthy internal tension but then crikey has some ex employee critics. I know I do in activist circles and so on. </p>
<p>What indeed is the news in that in a political and grasping world. By all means bring on the transparency but spare me the smear, until you publish your own breakdown of finances including wage levels.</p>
<p>Oh and I do my work on about $10K per year. Haven&#8217;t filed a tax return in years.</p>
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		<title>By: rosettamoon</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/04/getup-and-its-strange-but-well-heeled-bedfellows/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>rosettamoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wrote a very basic comment on the GETUP sorry blog, not expecting to get censored at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;James of Getup wrote confusing comments on my site, but I had moved on to other issues, when I returned to comment on the GETUP site, which is a bit like going to FoodPlus for a 4 course meal, I was confused as to why nuclear issues, particularly ROXBY are absent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Its confirmation that GETUP is a government SETUP and the plan is to direct and manage public dissent - which is a great idea indeed - but if thats the plan you should at LEAST hire intelligent people to manage the site and the plan - but thats good news again - the side of evilness and depravity is suffering a skills and intelligence shortage which is GREAT news for HUMANITY!!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, if anyone is bored, look at how stupid James is :) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;GETAGRIP GETUP...if you are going to be EVIL, at least hire professionals :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>I wrote a very basic comment on the GETUP sorry blog, not expecting to get censored at all.</p>
<p>James of Getup wrote confusing comments on my site, but I had moved on to other issues, when I returned to comment on the GETUP site, which is a bit like going to FoodPlus for a 4 course meal, I was confused as to why nuclear issues, particularly ROXBY are absent.</p>
<p>Its confirmation that GETUP is a government SETUP and the plan is to direct and manage public dissent - which is a great idea indeed - but if thats the plan you should at LEAST hire intelligent people to manage the site and the plan - but thats good news again - the side of evilness and depravity is suffering a skills and intelligence shortage which is GREAT news for HUMANITY!!!</p>
<p>Anyway, if anyone is bored, look at how stupid James is <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>GETAGRIP GETUP&#8230;if you are going to be EVIL, at least hire professionals <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/04/getup-and-its-strange-but-well-heeled-bedfellows/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom McLoughlin: If you must use quotes in languages other than English you might care to spell them correctly.&lt;br /&gt;Your &quot;Cie la vie&quot; should read &#039;C&#039;est la vie&#039;. (C&#039;est=this is. Life is self-explanatory). &#039;Cie&#039; is the shortened word for &#039;compagnie&#039; meaning company. As In &#039;Jean St Cloud et cie&#039; Rue St Justine, deuxième arrondissement. Paris. Purveyors of fine wines.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Normally I would never correct other people&#039;s comments, because I make far too many errors myself. It&#039;s just that you are being a bit of a serial bore at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom McLoughlin: If you must use quotes in languages other than English you might care to spell them correctly.<br />Your &#8220;Cie la vie&#8221; should read &#8216;C&#8217;est la vie&#8217;. (C&#8217;est=this is. Life is self-explanatory). &#8216;Cie&#8217; is the shortened word for &#8216;compagnie&#8217; meaning company. As In &#8216;Jean St Cloud et cie&#8217; Rue St Justine, deuxième arrondissement. Paris. Purveyors of fine wines.</p>
<p>Normally I would never correct other people&#8217;s comments, because I make far too many errors myself. It&#8217;s just that you are being a bit of a serial bore at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty Sort</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/04/getup-and-its-strange-but-well-heeled-bedfellows/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty Sort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I&#039;ve had this thought for some time. There is a basic lack of genuine grassroots activism at GetUp and that can be a bit of a slap in the face for a lot of people in activist circles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They seem to organise an email campaign, then take all the credit for any wins on the topic, many of which are actually won by years of hard work on the ground by much smaller community groups that don&#039;t have millions behind them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I&#8217;ve had this thought for some time. There is a basic lack of genuine grassroots activism at GetUp and that can be a bit of a slap in the face for a lot of people in activist circles.</p>
<p>They seem to organise an email campaign, then take all the credit for any wins on the topic, many of which are actually won by years of hard work on the ground by much smaller community groups that don&#8217;t have millions behind them.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Bedford</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/02/04/getup-and-its-strange-but-well-heeled-bedfellows/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Bedford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get away with you GETUP fills a niche that  needs filling. Long may it prosper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get away with you GETUP fills a niche that  needs filling. Long may it prosper</p>
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